Braves to sign Santana

[Laika]

But isn't there a ~70% chance they get a 2015 comp pick out of him though? Is that part of your calculus?

 

Chances are Santana won't be as effective in 2014, and even if he almost is, he'd probably accept a QO next time around.

[Angrioter]

Braves paid up the ass for Santana here, considering the value of their lost pick.

 

Lost #26 (Ervin)

Won #32 (McCann)

 

Win now mode. Ervin is an upgrade over RLP

[Angrioter]

As long as he didn't get the condition he was looking for.

 

I estimate the 2014 pick given up to be worth $13.4M.

 

Comp pick in 2015 to be around $10.5M. You say 70% (I say that's probably high) and that's $7.4M. Which is still a $6M difference. So it's like paying 1/$20M for a 2-3 WAR player.

 

Pick #26 WAR estimate please

[Frenchsoup]

That pick is probably worth more to the braves because they know how to draft and develop

[Terminator]

4.0 WAR centred in 2019. Discounted at 9% annually (rough guess) 2.4 WAR. Considering signing bonus and arb contracts, worth $13.4M at the discounted WAR value.

 

That's pretty cool. Maybe one of your next blog posts could be a chart showing how much each pick is approximately worth.

[NorthOf49]

That pick is probably worth more to the braves because they know how to draft and develop

Or less! Because they develop a lot of late rounders. Brandon Beachy was an undrafted FA. Medlen a 10th rounder.

[KingKat]

Regarding Santana, he was NEVER coming to the AL East. The only reason he did well last year was due to Kaufman Stadium being a large ballpark, which is perfect for his flyball tendencies.

 

Nope. He actually had an above average groundball to fly ball rate last year. It wasn't just Kaufman supressing homeruns. He actually gave up way fewer fly balls than anyone would have projected for him. I don't know if that's sustainable or not but he definitely had a legitimately good season. It wasn't all Kaufman by any stretch.

[fatcowxlive]

@jonmorosi: Blue Jays' final offer to Ervin Santana was one year and $14 million, source confirms to @FOXSports1.

 

[KingKat]

You are talking to a fanbase that thought AJ Burnett would be excited to come back to Toronto if there offer was the same as other teams. Don't expect to get anywhere.

 

No it's a fan base that thinks that the whole reason Burnett wouldn't sign here is because of the fans is idiotic. There are way way better reasons for Burnett s to not want to sign with Toronto.

[KingKat]

Drew is still on the table, and for me, Drew > Santana for this team.

 

I seem to recall Boras saying that Drew was willing to move to 2B IF it's a long term deal. He won't necessarily convert if he's only on a one year deal (which makes sense, he's way more valuable as a shortstop and he doesn't want to hit the 2015 market not having played there in over a year). So the Jays could sign him to play 2B or they could sign him for one year but they can't do both.

[KingKat]

Toronto general manager Alex Anthopoulos said Ervin Santana didn't want to pitch in the American League.

"We're in the American League," Anthopoulos said during an appearance on Sportsnet 590 radio in Toronto. "Guys that don't want to be in the American League, there's nothing we can do." A.A. insisted that the right-hander's decision "was not money, was not years." We find this line of reasoning rather difficult to accept, as Santana has never actually pitched in the N.L., having spent the entirety of his nine-year career between the Angels and Royals. It seems that Anthopoulos is annoyed that Santana, choosing between equal offers, preferred the NL East instead of the AL East, an obvious choice for a hurler looking to rebuild his market value in 2014. We'd suggest to Anthopoulos that if he'd been more aggressive in February -- before Atlanta's rotation became ravaged by injury -- Santana would be in Toronto's Opening Day rotation.

John Lott on Twitter

 

Lott is the best. Really throwing it down.

[Jimcanuck]

I seem to recall Boras saying that Drew was willing to move to 2B IF it's a long term deal. He won't necessarily convert if he's only on a one year deal (which makes sense, he's way more valuable as a shortstop and he doesn't want to hit the 2015 market not having played there in over a year). So the Jays could sign him to play 2B or they could sign him for one year but they can't do both.

 

So sign him multi-year to play 2B. The Jays need for a 2B isn't going away.

[IBTrini]

Is it your money?

 

If that money isn't going to be spent in other areas to improve teh ballclub... how the hell could you not be behind spending it? It's not like this money is going to be earmarked for other FA's next year.

 

It's a ONE YEAR DEAL for a proven starter. We're not spending 14M for the sake of spending 14M. We're spending 14M to acquire an excellent pitcher at a reasonable price.

 

I can understand the disappointment and even though I do not think Santana would be the key to getting the Jays to the WS I feel having his arm in the rotation would have been nice in the short term.

 

You keep mentioning 14M but that is not the figure Santana wanted from an AL team so where do you stop with the offer? 14.2M, 16M, 18M, 30M? Santana got a break cuz of an NL team's injury - Nobody saw that coming. Sanatana is really a wimp and appears to not have too much confidence in his own ability. It's appears as if he did not really want to be in the AL and as such the $$$ would not have made a difference unless it was too hard to leave behind so in reality it is really a silver lining for the Jays since a longer contract, in my opinion, was not really feasible.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm not really disappointed in these events at all.

 

Neither is Romero, Happ, Redmond, Jenkins

[saskjayfan]

Drew is still on the table, and for me, Drew > Santana for this team.

 

I've kind of gone back and forth on this in my own mind. I'm unsure of Santana, but Santana would have helped the rotation where we are stuck. We do have the hutch, stroman, romero, drabek, McGowan....maybe one or two jump out of that group to help...rogers and Redmond can give innings. I think the lineup as it stands is a top offensive lineup....with drew I think they could score the most runs in the MLB.

 

Reyes

Melky

EE

bats

lind

Colby

drew

lawrie

Navarro

 

That would be a lineup...no go get Drew if he can be had for one year.

[Ehjays]

That pick is probably worth more to the braves because they know how to draft and develop

 

Ex-f***ing-actly!!!!!

[jays_fever]

MLSE convinced a world class striker, who played in one of the elite soccer leagues and on a fantastic club to come to the MLS, yet AA is bitching he can't lure anyone to come to Toronto. He's so full of s*** it's embarrassing at thie time.

[Angrioter]

WAITS OUT THE MARKET FOR ASKING PRICES TO COME INTO HIS ACCEPTABLE RANGE

 

PLAYERS WONT SIGN WITH US AT THAT PRICE ANYWAY

 

Seriously, what a f***ing waste of an offseason. Figure it out AA.

 

Drew still out there!

[G-Snarls]

Well s***

 

Santana on a 1 year 14M deal would have been nice

[IBTrini]

This makes last year's moves look worse. If the team was going to keep increasing payroll, then adding a bunch of big contracts in that fashion was fine with me. And why wouldn't they keep adding payroll? I mean if you had 50 million in one offseason, what's another 15-20 the next offseason?

 

But if they were going to add all that payroll, only to effectively freeze that payroll for future offseasons then you've really limited the #1 way to improve your team. Just a dumb strategy.

 

I do not think the payroll was frozen like you are implying unless you believe that spending money foolishly is the answer. The Jays may have been able to get Santana for 30M on a 1 year contract - I feel pretty certain he would have bitten at that. However that sort of spending is not acceptable.

 

As far as I know the Jays had the highest $ offer on the table before the Braves became involved and even then the Braves only matched what the Jays had on the table. So much for the player's ethics etc with respect to having a tentative deal on the table and then running off for the same money from a totally new team. You can't really blame an individual on his choice between his stats versus challenges. He feels he will look better in the NL and as such will be able to secure a bigger contract next year based on his 2014 performance. I prefer not having individuals with that sort of mentality on the Jays team.

[jays_fever]

Drew still out there!

 

He doesn't like Toronto. No one enjoys playing here. We'd have to give him 20 million dollars a year to even consider coming here..as per AA

[pickoff22]

He doesn't like Toronto. No one enjoys playing here. We'd have to give him 20 million dollars a year to even consider coming here..as per AA

 

Point is who really cares about Drew anyways, we didn't address our most obvious hole in a 5 month span. Sure, Drew would be an upgrade but not a huge one especially when we're asking him to field a new position. Personally I hope Drew is forced to sign a horrible deal as I never understood why he would expect a huge contract with his numbers and history (and as a former Red Sox I am forced to hate you).

[IBTrini]

In no way is it "spending for the sake of spending", it's spending to address a glaring hole.

 

I firmly believe our offense is perfectly capable of producing at a competitive level. Our starters are the question mark. Add an arm like Santana's and we're more competitivein that area, that's the bottom line. I SUPPORT IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING!!! Throw a 300/10 offer at him AA - Just get it done

 

ftfy

[TwistedLogic]

Toronto general manager Alex Anthopoulos said Ervin Santana didn't want to pitch in the American League.

"We're in the American League," Anthopoulos said during an appearance on Sportsnet 590 radio in Toronto. "Guys that don't want to be in the American League, there's nothing we can do." A.A. insisted that the right-hander's decision "was not money, was not years." We find this line of reasoning rather difficult to accept, as Santana has never actually pitched in the N.L., having spent the entirety of his nine-year career between the Angels and Royals. It seems that Anthopoulos is annoyed that Santana, choosing between equal offers, preferred the NL East instead of the AL East, an obvious choice for a hurler looking to rebuild his market value in 2014. We'd suggest to Anthopoulos that if he'd been more aggressive in February -- before Atlanta's rotation became ravaged by injury -- Santana would be in Toronto's Opening Day rotation.

John Lott on Twitter

 

Except for the small, tiny, insignificant fact that Santana still wanted 4/50 at that point...

[IBTrini]

Ugh. So we're the only team in baseball forced to choose between standing pat and spending money egregiously and irresponsibly?

Just curious to know if you can ask this - How much money do you feel Anthopoulos should have offered for Santana?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

lol @ the "Ervin wanted to pitch in the NL" excuse.

 

Good one Alex.

[TwistedLogic]

I don't think its possible, in the realm of logical thinking, to outbid the Red Sox for Drew if they decide they want him. They're the only team in the game that won't have to surrender a draft pick to sign him. I think he himself has probably been waiting to see if they decide to pursue him.

[TwistedLogic]

lol @ the "Ervin wanted to pitch in the NL" excuse.

 

Good one Alex.

 

He signed in the NL for the same offer he got from the AL, so how is that an excuse? Some of you are just desperate to rage about something, it's a bit pitiful.

 

A pitcher looking for a 1-year deal to rebuild value will most definitely want to be signed by an NL team, especially the kind of player that started off by saying he was looking for a team with a good offense; someone obviously looking for any type of advantage to help inflate (deflate?) his numbers.

[NorthOf49]

I don't think its possible, in the realm of logical thinking, to outbid the Red Sox for Drew if they decide they want him. They're the only team in the game that won't have to surrender a draft pick to sign him. I think he himself has probably been waiting to see if they decide to pursue him.

Sure they will, the Red Sox will surrender the opportunity to receive a draft pick. Which is the same thing.

 

We have much more of a need too. I think Drew signs for the best financial offer. No reason to think there are extenuating circumstances at play with Drew. His agent even went on Toronto radio to deliver a sales pitch.

[Bluejayslife]

How does the fat greek sleep at night knowing all the lies he says.