Davidi: Jays looking at "in house options"

[GeorgiaPeach]

That's BS, people get banned very quickly after they do stupid stuff. You expect them to start banning people out of the blue or something to prove there is active moderation?

 

As BTS said, what does "Moh You" bring to the conversation/forum?

 

He converses with some other idiot. But I guess its not really a bannable offence. Its cute seeing someone with a mental illness talking to another poster who also appears to be mentally deficient.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I didn't mind getting banned. Because if mild conversation appears to bug most of society because they're overly sensitive, the stuff I was posting most definitely deserved to be dealt with.

[z3r0s]

Why is this team f***ed in 2 years, if we suck this year we can unload serious talent at the trade deadline and next off season and load up on young promising prospects.

Guys like Bautista, EE, Reyes, dickey, Rasmus, morrow, etc could bring in a boat load of new talent.

 

I don't trust them to make that call, but I agree we could unload everyone for a huge haul in young talent.

 

If we truly are up against our payroll limit, then we probably should starting at the trade dealine next year / off season. We should be able to get huge returns for Bautista and Edwin. Good returns for Dickey and Reyes. OK return of Rasmus and Lind. Some decent pieces for our BP guys. Maybe even something decent for Buehrle if we eat some cash.

 

That could make for an Uber quick rebuild. Tank for 1-2 years after the trades and have a great base of ML talent (from the trade and our current system) along with some high draft picks.

[G-Snarls]

How did the old forum run? Pretty much rampant......the posters ran roughshod over the mods, if there was any.

 

On here, its (Michael Jackson voice) "Hey guys, we're making this nice forum inclusive to all. We're not looking to ban or shun anyone"

 

Totally disagree

 

Rules-violating posts get deleted

 

People get warned

 

People get banned

 

Some people are just plain dumb, or irritating as f*** but don't break any rules and we tolerate them

 

You can't make everyone happy all the time. Everyone has different thresholds of what they think is acceptable. We try to find the middle ground.

 

If you want to start your own authoritarian message board where people get banned every time they make a dumb post, or one that annoys you, go right ahead

[GeorgiaPeach]

I buy and sell mall cops like you every day

 

I don't think you do.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Totally disagree

 

Rules-violating posts get deleted

 

People get warned

 

People get banned

 

Some people are irritating as f*** but don't break any rules and we tolerate them

 

You can't make everyone happy all the time. Everyone has different thresholds of what they think is acceptable. We try to find the middle ground.

 

If you want to start your own authoritarian message board where people get banned every time they make a dumb post, or one that annoys you, go right ahead

 

Besides the spamming, what was wrong with the old forum?

[TheHurl]

We banned 2 this week and at least 30 overall, we don't moderate based on a couple people's opinion of a person, or by who they were on the other board.. I haven't been on as much as before but in the past week or so we've had a lot of reported posts about Moh (some from very good, very respectable posters. From what I can see, he's getting a little repetitive and posting on more threads but at least he's not breaking our rules of starting new threads. We may have a talk with him, but then again we might not. Mods will discuss it on our board.

[fatcowxlive]

As BTS said, what does "Moh You" bring to the conversation/forum?

 

He converses with some other idiot. But I guess its not really a bannable offence. Its cute seeing someone with a mental illness talking to another poster who also appears to be mentally deficient.

 

Well as long as he's not polluting the forum he shouldn't be banned. If we start banning people for being "stupid" we're going to have a handful of users that all think the same, no diversity. It's not like MohYou isn't improving as a poster either. Go easy on people lol

[mitchf]

You throw last year out the f***ing window.

Right because that's logical!

We banned 2 this week and at least 30 overall, we don't moderate based on a couple people's opinion of a person, or by who they were on the other board.. I haven't been on as much as before but in the past week or so we've had a lot of reported posts about Moh (some from very good, very respectable posters. From what I can see, he's getting a little repetitive and posting on more threads but at least he's not breaking our rules of starting new threads. We may have a talk with him, but then again we might not. Mods will discuss it on our board.

You guys haven't come to the conclusion that he's a f***ing terrible poster yet?

 

It's clear as day he doesn't belong anywhere near this place.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's not like MohYou isn't improving as a poster either. Go easy on people lol

 

Maybe you're right. Maybe Moh You is like our own Jose Bautista? A useless nobody who's been around for a about a decade doing absolutely nothing and now after 10 years might actually start being a someone.

[JugglingPitches]

There's a very simple way to prevent duplicate accounts using vBulletin. I adminstrated a forum like this for about 10 years.

[L54]

Offseason's not over yet.

 

-Sox may be the champs, but they did lose Jacoby Ellsbury and Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and we don't know what Bogaerts and Bradley will bring, and have not decided on Drew. But they are still probably the best team in the AL East at the moment if they stay healthy. 90-95 wins as it stands.

-Yankees aren't any better. They lost Cano, Granderson, Pettite and Rivera and are expecting health and rebounds from Tex (who has been declining since he came to NY) and continued performance from Beltran, Ellsbury and McCann to offset the losses. They need another pitcher in that lineup, but the options aren't impressive, and Tanaka seems destined to stay in Japan. And don't expect a trade, as the Yanks lack any assets on their farm outside of Gary Sanchez. As it stands, without any major upgrades, that Yankees team is a 80 to 85-win team at best, with high risk of being under that.

 

So the Red Sox are worse because they lost Ellsbury, and the Yankees aren't any better because they added Ellsbury, because they're banking on continued performance?

 

Right.

[Chappy]

What's the point of having mods? You've been Beeston'd to ignore banning anyone....this forum is inclusive to all.

 

Several posters have been banned since this forum has started up. We're not going to just ban people for the sake of banning them, it needs to be warranted. The mods do plenty around here to ensure this boards success, but if you think so poorly of us all and this forum then you do have the option to post elsewhere.

[Candy Maldonado]

I hope AA does something. I'm tired of all the whining.

[Chappy]

If you hitched yourself to the 2013 team as a contender on paper before the 2013 season with Izturis or Bonifacio as the starting 2B. You can't complain about the 2014 team with Izturis at 2B, because its pretty much the same team.

 

That is pretty illogical. Circumstances change and adjustments need to be made. The majority of the board was against some or most of the transactions last winter, but it wasn't unreasonable to think that team at that time could contend.

[Terminator]

Several posters have been banned since this forum has started up. We're not going to just ban people for the sake of banning them, it needs to be warranted. The mods do plenty around here to ensure this boards success, but if you think so poorly of us all and this forum then you do have the option to post elsewhere.

 

Wait...are my favorite dynasty commissioners fighting? Guys, please stop. pls

[Chappy]

At what point do the vets start getting moved? Or do we ride them into retirement & free agency and show nothing as a return?

 

Either way this team is f***ed in 2 years.

 

Where did I say vets shouldn't be moved? I've been a big fan of the idea of moving Bautista and am not opposed to moving anyone on this roster if it makes sense. Addressing needs and trading vets are two different things, but feel free to spin things.

[Howard Roark]

In order of value?

 

Encarnacion

Bautista

Reyes

Rasmus

Dickey

Buehrle

Morrow

Janssen

Santos

Cecil

Delabar

Lind

Cabrera

Loup

Navarro

 

I'm likely forgetting someone, and I'm sure that order is off by a lil'. Lind have more value than some of our Ace Relievers? Still, just think what we could get for all that. Eat salary on the likes of Reyes and Buehrle of course, and we could be one of the most dynamic and promising franchises in MLB for years to come if we did it right. Would be one hell of an exciting re-tool watching the names roll in for our vets, anyhow.

[Chappy]

Wait...are my favorite dynasty commissioners fighting. Guys, please stop. pls

 

I'm just defending myself towards unwarranted comments. This wouldn't ever have any barring on the league or what I think of Chris personally after having met him on a few occasions. Just not sure why he would feel the need to insult all the mods rather than messaging us or inquiring in a way that wouldn't be a clear insult.

 

We mod this forum on our own time because we want everyone to have a great place to talk baseball, but feel free to s*** on us. We clearly deserve it.

[z3r0s]

Dickey >> Rasmus in value. That contract is worth a LOT

[Howard Roark]

Dickey >> Rasmus in value. That contract is worth a LOT

 

Yeah. Like I said, rough list I just jotted out. Cecil prolly more sought after than Santos too at this point. Rasmus likely would be listed above Reyes there if we was locked up for another 3+ seasons at reasonable cost too.

[kgm1]

Ken, the problem is that AA and Beeston committed the team to contending last winter and basically said we are all in for the next 3 years (our window of contention). Now it looks like this team is in a state of limbo where our assets are just going to keep getting older. This team as is won't contend unless they catch lightening in a bottle and let's be honest here that is probably a severe long shot.

 

AA either needs to address the deficiencies on this roster or blow it up. Nothing else is acceptable.

 

Vik Hindsight is 20/20 but using that the window wasn't 3 years . It was two. The yankees will get under the 189 this year and reload their rotation next year with the great free agent starting class of 2014 . Had the FA market been better this year then and the money being thrown around been different then I could see with a 170 mil budget AA being able do do something . It isn't ! Look at the overpays happening . Cano 10/240 , Always hurl Ellsbury at 153 mil . Peralta at 4 years .Drunken GM,s throing money like it is penny candy at a parade .

 

Does AA even have 150 mil ? who knows ? He sure as hell isn't squandering it or the farm talent . Chris is right . Only two ways to compete in baseball . All in with a payroll that matches the big boys or do as AA and the beast promised and build up the talent to be competetive long term and add the overpays when the windows develop . We weren't there and most of us agreed we weren't but like some since I couldn't change the fact cheered them on . Now times have changed . The money doesn't seem to be there and the FA class isn't good so you adjust to the situation. I'm one who doesn't blame AA , I blame Rodgers and the Beast for forcing the issue .

 

See what we have and where we are in June . That is the time to blow this thing up . Too late in the off season to start now . AA could trade Bautista , Dickey, Rasmus and a couple of others , Maybe even dump Buehrle and have us back in the thick by 2016 Younger and smarter and with money to spend .

[Laika]

In order of value?

 

Encarnacion

Bautista

Reyes

Rasmus

Dickey

Buehrle

Morrow

 

I think it would go:

 

Edwin

Bautista

Dickey

Rasmus

Morrow

Reyes

Buehrle

 

But I didn't do the math on it, and it would be different depending on who you're trying to trade with. A team with deep pockets would probably value Reyes more highly than Morrow or Rasmus, but a team with a tight payroll would recognize that on his current contract he's basically a non-asset (same for Buehrle, a non-asset but a team with money might love the idea of paying for his bankable innings).

[GeorgiaPeach]

Several posters have been banned since this forum has started up. We're not going to just ban people for the sake of banning them, it needs to be warranted. The mods do plenty around here to ensure this boards success, but if you think so poorly of us all and this forum then you do have the option to post elsewhere.

 

You don't post on or read other forums???

[Chappy]

Vik Hindsight is 20/20 but using that the window wasn't 3 years . It was two. The yankees will get under the 189 this year and reload their rotation next year with the great free agent starting class of 2014 . Had the FA market been better this year then and the money being thrown around been different then I could see with a 170 mil budget AA being able do do something . It isn't ! Look at the overpays happening . Cano 10/240 , Always hurl Ellsbury at 153 mil . Peralta at 4 years .Drunken GM,s throing money like it is penny candy at a parade .

 

Does AA even have 150 mil ? who knows ? He sure as hell isn't squandering it or the farm talent . Chris is right . Only two ways to compete in baseball . All in with a payroll that matches the big boys or do as AA and the beast promised and build up the talent to be competetive long term and add the overpays when the windows develop . We weren't there and most of us agreed we weren't but like some since I couldn't change the fact cheered them on . Now times have changed . The money doesn't seem to be there and the FA class isn't good so you adjust to the situation. I'm one who doesn't blame AA , I blame Rodgers and the Beast for forcing the issue .

 

See what we have and where we are in June . That is the time to blow this thing up . Too late in the off season to start now . AA could trade Bautista , Dickey, Rasmus and a couple of others , Maybe even dump Buehrle and have us back in the thick by 2016 Younger and smarter and with money to spend .

 

Ken, I agree. The problem is last offseason should never have happened. AA went big and then just kept going. Nothing we can do about it other than either cheer this team on, sulk or follow another team.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that we're in limbo right now and personally I think there is no worse position to be in. AA either has to fix the roster and try to compete or admit defeat and rebuild this team. It's obvious which path AA is on, but if the resources are not there than he is just kidding himself. The more time that passes, the more it seems there may not be any money left or Rogers upper brass is now scrutinizing his every move and he has become gun shy.

 

I think the majority of us want sustainable winning, but if it isn't happening then it just isn't.

[z3r0s]

I think it would go:

 

Edwin

Bautista

Dickey

Rasmus

Morrow

Reyes

Buehrle

 

But I didn't do the math on it, and it would be different depending on who you're trying to trade with. A team with deep pockets would probably value Reyes more highly than Morrow or Rasmus, but a team with a tight payroll would recognize that on his current contract he's basically a non-asset (same for Buehrle, a non-asset but a team with money might love the idea of paying for his bankable innings).

 

I think Reyes still has a bundle of perceived value around the league, even if the surplus ins't there.

[Chappy]

You don't post on or read other forums???

 

Not really, life takes up too much time right now.

[Laika]

I think Reyes still has a bundle of perceived value around the league, even if the surplus ins't there.

 

Right, it would just depend who you're talking to. AA obviously valued him highly even on the big contract.

[Howard Roark]

I think it would go:

 

Edwin

Bautista

Dickey

Rasmus

Morrow

Reyes

Buehrle

 

But I didn't do the math on it, and it would be different depending on who you're trying to trade with. A team with deep pockets would probably value Reyes more highly than Morrow or Rasmus, but a team with a tight payroll would recognize that on his current contract he's basically a non-asset (same for Buehrle, a non-asset but a team with money might love the idea of paying for his bankable innings).

 

Maybe someone reading will take the 30 mins or so to calculate likely values for these names going forward and we can get a nice clean sensible list. My gut tells me that Buehrle would be highly sought after so long as were willing to eat say a third of his remainder owed. Same with Reyes, those two names jump out as guys we can basically buy prospects with.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Wait...are my favorite dynasty commissioners fighting? Guys, please stop. pls

 

Hahaha.

 

I just don't understand the love the dogg & his "friends" or his other accounts receive. Its almost like one of the mods, or vet/respected posters can't have his account deleted, because he's being given a "fresh start" on this new forum moderated internally.