admin Site Manager Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Utley makes the most sense. I would like Lee, I've been asking for him last couple years, but I don't see us getting him. I don't think he'd cost as much as people think. A guy getting paid $25M per year isn't going to take a ton. Phillies need to blow their team up right now. Utley, Rollins, Howard, Lee, Young, Paplebon. Get some near MLB ready guys and build around Brown and Hamels. Another guy I could see is Jake Peavy. Since AA tried to get him recently (if true), I'm sure he'll try to get him again, and him and Williams have a pretty good relationship. But I don't know if we're going to need much pitching help come deadline.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I would like Lee, I've been asking for him last couple years, but I don't see us getting him. I don't think he'd cost as much as people think. A guy getting paid $25M per year isn't going to take a ton. He's an incredible pitcher and he generally does go for quite a bit in trades, I don't think he'd be cheap. We'd probably have to give 2 top 5 prospects imo. Dickey Lee Johnson Buehrle Morrow Romero/Wang/Rogers/Stroman/Hutchison/Drabek That could be our pitching at some point if we traded for Lee without giving up any of those guys. That's pretty fap-worthy to think about. I don't think it happens, though.
bzapple Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Perhaps Espinosa and Haren makes sense if the Nat's decide to sell? Right now both of those guys are a bit too shaky, for one reason or another, to be considered upgrades right now. I do like Espinosa as a possible offseason buy-low.
kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Guys, Teams like Washington ,and , Detroit are buying not selling assets on their MLB Roster . We have 9 players coming back off the DL some of whom (Reyes ,Lawrie Morrow are game changers . We have won 11 of the last 13 without them . Each time one of them comes back it is like making a major trade . We have gutted our minor leagues enough . If anything a Catcher or starter but they are going to both be hugely expensive
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Guys, Teams like Washington ,and , Detroit are buying not selling assets on their MLB Roster . We have 9 players coming back off the DL some of whom (Reyes ,Lawrie Morrow are game changers . We have won 11 of the last 13 without them . Each time one of them comes back it is like making a major trade . We have gutted our minor leagues enough . If anything a Catcher or starter but they are going to both be hugely expensive Reyes and Lawrie (when he is not struggling) provide a HUGE boost to the offence. Morrow, i'm not so sure. Hopefully he can comeback soon and pitch like he did last year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has to go for a TJ surgery this year.
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 Make a too good to refuse offer to Houston for Jason Castro. I've enjoyed watching/following Castro after I picked him up in fantasy ball.. but he's a former #10 Overall coming into his own at the mlb level at one of most important positions .. also only 1st year arb eligible next year. A "too good offer to refuse" from Toronto would likely involve dealing away our best prospects for sure. If we even had something they wanted. Right now he's on pace to be 4 WAR guy.. I certainly wouldn't trade that for a guy like Sanchez+, who may/may not be able to throw strikes in majors.
Chappy Community Moderator Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 What would a guy like Utley cost?
GD Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 re Castro: His .327 BABIP probably isn't sustainable, or his 16.4 HR/FB%.He's also striking out. A LOT. And a .349 wOBA isn't legendary. Trading Sanchez for him would be stupid.
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 Ackley Yeah, he might be able to be had at this point. Seeing as we have basically no positional prospects in the mix, I would take a shot on him.
jays_fever Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Second base is really the only position we need help at, and Izzy/Boni have been playing better recently, so not sure if it would be worth it. Of course Ive conceded that JP will be here until he retires. Just have to hope that the team we have now is good enough
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 re Castro: His .327 BABIP probably isn't sustainable, or his 16.4 HR/FB%.He's also striking out. A LOT. And a .349 wOBA isn't legendary. Trading Sanchez for him would be stupid. .349wOBA doesn't seem too bad for a C. What's the mean production for that position? ..Also.. I like to look at ISO too if judging by wOBA as it slights power a bit. So I would be curious what that mean is for a C too
kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 If we trade Sanchez I will scream bloody Murder .
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 If we trade Sanchez I will scream bloody Murder . Well, when I started this thread I was mentioning a guy like Eric Chavez.. players that woudnt cost what little high upside guys we had left
SAAviour Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Phillies will want Gose...they still love him. I'd stand pat if I were AA, dealt too many prospects already.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I like Gordon Beckham as a potential option, there's no one for second base, he could possibly come cheap, and he was hitting very well before his injury. Wouldn't hurt.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 re Castro: His .327 BABIP probably isn't sustainable, or his 16.4 HR/FB%.He's also striking out. A LOT. And a .349 wOBA isn't legendary. Trading Sanchez for him would be stupid. I'd trade Sanchez for him and laugh. You're talking about a prospect v the second best defensive catcher in the AL, who also happens to only be 26. Arencibia + Nolin + more and yep, I'd do it.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Second base is really the only position we need help at, and Izzy/Boni have been playing better recently, so not sure if it would be worth it. Of course Ive conceded that JP will be here until he retires. Just have to hope that the team we have now is good enough We have one of the worst catchers in baseball.
flafson Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 We have one of the worst catchers in baseball. Our pitchers claim that JP has been one of the reasons we won 8. All the commentators are saying JP has been framing pitches ALOT better as of late. When they asked JP questions (i think yesterday) he said he didn't care about his hitting as long as he can continue to do well on defense, and so far he has.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 And you believe that? Another passed ball, at least 5 strikes taken away from Rogers the other night because JPA can't receive. He's bad no matter what teammate positive words of encouragement have been tossed his way. Commentators? Not even worth it! The most knowledgable of our bunch is Zaun and Zaun got tossed out of a game in his final season as a player for arguing that a hit batter shouldn't get first base because the ball bounced first. Good grief!!
kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I'd trade Sanchez for him and laugh. You're talking about a prospect v the second best defensive catcher in the AL, who also happens to only be 26. Arencibia + Nolin + more and yep, I'd do it. Good and young which is why IF the Astro,s dealt him it would take a bundle . JPA,s flaws are well known in the league . While I to believe Catcher is the position to upgrade I just don't see anyone out there worth the weight in gold teams will ask . I can't trade Sanchez , Nolin , yes . I like the 9 coming back off the DL and defense has improved now that Izturis and Bonifacio are getting used to the Astro turf
jays_fever Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 We have one of the worst catchers in baseball. Thats why I mentioned I realized theres no point to even discuss bringing in another catcher. JP is here forever
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Arencibia + Nolin + Cardona + Bonifacio and done! Toss in Deck or Sierra if needed. No biggie. Houston is one of the few teams that could take on that many 40-man roster players in a deal and the value would be there for them considering how far away they are from contending.
Dr Negative Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Arencibia + Nolin + Cardona + Bonifacio and done! Toss in Deck or Sierra if needed. No biggie. Houston is one of the few teams that could take on that many 40-man roster players in a deal and the value would be there for them considering how far away they are from contending. Not even close. JPA has no value, Nolin is the next Nestor Molina, Cardona is a million years away from the bigs and Bonifacio may be out of baseball in two years.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Shuffle the pieces, whatever. JPA does have value, though I don't see it and so does Bonifacio who is for whatever reason easily flippable to Atlanta or Philly or Pittsburgh or a few others.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 You have to understand that the Astros are like 5 years away. Accumulating prospects is what they are looking to do. The more and the better chance of success. They actually even like Thon and I have that on good authority. It makes sense considering the club's and the city's history with his father.
HASHTAGYOLOSWAG Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Utely's a free agent at the end of the year...if the jays were in it the playoff hunt and the phillies were out of it....there's worse places than toronto to spend a few months... I drafted Utley as a free agent when playing MLB 06 The Show back in the day. He raked.
LightsOut Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Gallardo would be an amazing grab, but thats highly unlikely isn't it?
GD Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 .349wOBA doesn't seem too bad for a C. What's the mean production for that position? ..Also.. I like to look at ISO too if judging by wOBA as it slights power a bit. So I would be curious what that mean is for a C too I think the mean production for C this year is around .320, off the top of my head. Don't have time to figure out the ISO atm though. I'd trade Sanchez for him and laugh. And I most certainly would not. Arencibia + Nolin + Cardona + Bonifacio and done! Toss in Deck or Sierra if needed. No biggie. Houston is one of the few teams that could take on that many 40-man roster players in a deal and the value would be there for them considering how far away they are from contending. Okay, I would definitely do that.
Arkadium Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I despite threads like this - they seem all together pointless. That is all.
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