Carlos Danger

Nice to see Springer wanting to put Team first and hit anywhere in the lineup. That wasn’t the case last year to start the year and it killed us!!! Contract and name on back of the shirt aside, you need to perform if you want to hit leadoff.

The difference between Judge and Vlad, is that the Yankees really wanted him and the whole Giants thing just drove up what they had to pay. It is obvious Shapiro is not as high on Vlad as others on this board or in the media. I agree with Shapiro on this. I have been heavily critical of Shapiro and think he is too risk averse to do what you need to do to go to the next level in many cases. However, I agree with Mark in this case. Barker said it best. All it takes is one person in that room on the FO side to not have the confidence and it can kill a deal. The FO saw a player who came to camp overweight in his early 20s when your metabolism is working full speed. They had him move off 3b to 1b for this. Then he had inconsistent seasons relative to the money he is asking. He is a dumb ass on the base-paths and his defense is dubious at 1b. Apart from the metrics, former pro 1b players have criticized his footwork and positioning on the bag at 1b He has not demonstrated great leadership by actions on or off the field that I can tell. Vlad stated he was dealing with issues mentally during his down years. Ok, he is only human, but from a business perspective you probably need to consider his mental toughness. Vlad really only performed at an elite level 3.5 out of the 6 months last year. If we got Tucker vice Vlad, within 2 months the fan base would be Vlad who. Shapiro is also correct, winning takes care of all reference players the fan base “like” that leave the Team. Keeping Vlad at an insane amount of money does nothing to help the Team take the next step. We have had Vlad and still have not won. I bet you could get more wins spreading that money around or going after a change of status quo impact player like Tucker as an example. Verdict- Must trade by deadline or sooner! When the Blue Jays got rid of fan favorites Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez, partly to shake up the status quo, it was the best move the Blue Jays ever made.

That is why they should have traded him during peak FA season when Tucker was traded. I would bet the two Blue Jays knew they were not going to match Vlad’’s number for a while now. The Padres and Astros did the right move with Soto and Tucker…. Now the Mets signed Alonso and the Red Sox Bregman. Red Sox could still go after him prior to FA, but they would have had more motivation a few weeks ago. They wouldn’t have a where to play guys issue either.

Remember it looked like the Jays were going to arb with Vladdy again and then the late news broke after the "deadline" that they had reached an agreement. Point being, I wouldn't count my chickens in this process until probably at least noon ET ~ tomorrow.

Evaluating this from a purely business decision. My own feelings aside. Unless the deal is $400m or less for 10 ys ~ the Jays should not sign an extension.

Vlad is already from a rich family and made/is making a lot of money. He is only 26, so even if he had a season ending injury, he comes back in his 27/28 year. Additionally, he can always break his own rule and take a deal from the Jays in March, May etc. I just don't think guys like Vlad and Bichette are thinking like poor kids from the island who need to strike while the iron is hot. IMO the pressure is solely on the Jays for Monday. From Vlad's camp's point of view, I would suspect it is meet our number or we will take our chances. The only caveat would be if the Alonzo and Bregman market spooked them a bit. However, again, I think Vlad is a different case...

If this were a trade deadline I would agree. From Vlad’s side, the only thing that happens is that they go to FA or waive their self imposed deadline later in the season. Where is the pressure for Vlad’s side to budge…????

Can Wagner play 3B?

Agree. I finally had a chance to watch/listen to the interview. In addition, this deadline is not the same as a trade deadline where other market factors are in play. Ross, didn't impart any confidence in me a deal is getting done. Probably a good thing. Ross is such a word salad of saying nothing and corporate baseball BS. Really, he said nothing except his mouth was moving. Ross is the Kamala Harris interview of the baseball executive circuit. My opinion is if you haven't hammered something out by now, there is probably too much of a gap and it is not going to happen in 48hrs plus hrs. I can also see from a business only stand-point from both sides, letting Vlad go to FA. The Blue Jays would have one additional year of data and they can always bid in FA and end up paying what it would take to do an extension anyway. Depending on Vlad's season the Soto type money might not be there as a 1b or they would have to pay in the ballpark of what Vlad want's now for an extension anyway. The caveat is, if he is not signed by Monday, they need to trade him by the deadline. Would be a disaster to have some false WS hope and let him go to FA for a comp pick.

If anyone on here says we should bring Stroman back again, it should be an automatic lifetime ban. Best move the FO ever made was to punt his ass. Would love to see him get traded to Oakland. And yes I know they don’t have a major league team anymore.

I wonder if this deal takes Boston out of the Vladdy FA sweepstakes assuming Vlad is a FA and Devers is going to 1st. The odds on FA favorites were the Mets and Red Sox.

I agree with the above. I for one have long been in the trade him camp. The FO won’t f*** up if they don’t sign him to some albatross contract. The f*** up would be if he walks for a comp pick. The Padres got a very nice package for Soto and still made the playoffs. Also, agree on the Vernon Wells example. Vernon was a CF as well in much better shape.

So the deadline is prior to, correct? Then NLT 17th.

Is this self-imposed deadline the 17th or 22nd?

I heard Pat Tabler has asked to come back, just so he can do color commentary on Kiermaier's physique.

I will bet anyone one here $100 in real money (USD) that Nashville gets the next expansion baseball team or out of state relocation.

Pretty sure that is Florida Man.

Where would Bregman have the most comfort level? Where would his salary go further? Where would he be able to cement his legacy? Answer to all of the above is not the Blue Jays. The magic 8 ball says…… Brownie is correct!

So wait…. The Winnie the Pooh guy was wrong!!??

Def needs another big bat!

This might indicate the Jays will sign Vlad. Though the pragmatic side of me says says it would have been done by now if they were even close.

I think you are going to be disappointed... Plus, Moncada sucks...

Yea, as a Team they need to go from 26th in HRs to top 10. All the teams that made the playoffs were top 10 in HRs.

Mustache guy… Something Polish…? Mucksvich or something like that??

They are in Orange County which is much better than LA.