Carlos Danger

I wonder how much the fact that Freeman and Tucker have the same agent greased the skids/relationship with the Dodgers.

They didn’t win last year and need to improve, not status quo or maybe not as good.. Especially considering the Dodgers just got even better!

f*** me!! This is a kick in the nuts, the most to me out of all of them. I thought he wanted to stay in Florida near Tampa for ST etc. I don’t think Bo is coming back and now not looking so good..

If you read Steve Cohen’s comments about Soto, he thought he was going to the Yankees and didn’t have a decision until the morning of. Not quite sure how this Dude could have predicted anything a few days early. He had a 50/50 chance last time.

Yup, that was it. Then I think Jeff Passan (ICR) broke that he was going to Texas and we were all blue balled.

I have never thought the Jays would win any of the big FA ordeals we have been involved in, going back years to the Japanese pitcher ICR to the more recent, Ohtani, Yamamoto, Soto and Saski. This time however, my instinct for the first time says the Jays could/should win this one. If we can’t win this one, we might as well change strategy and spend money on 2 lesser players etc since waiting so long and allocating the $$ time after time leaves us without all the Lazy boys when the music stops.

Some context from the Soto chase. Before the signing of Juan Soto to the Mets in December 2024, owner Steve Cohen did not tweet about the potential signing directly, but he did make comments about the situation, including one in which he admitted he thought Soto would re-sign with the Yankees . His social media activity around that time included: A public comment in late November 2024 where he was asked about the Mets' pursuit of Soto and said, "We're gonna find out. It's either yes or no. There's no in between and time will tell". Reports indicate that during one of the meetings with Soto and his agent Scott Boras, a frustrated Cohen reportedly said, "Why are we even having this meeting? It sounds like you're coming up with a lot of reasons why you don't want to come to our team!". After the meeting, Cohen told Mets President of Baseball Operations David Stearns he believed Soto was "going back to the Yankees". Cohen was "blown away" when Boras called him the next morning to accept the Mets' offer. After the deal was finalized, Cohen tweeted a message thanking fans and commenting on the boost in ticket sales, but this was after the signing was announced. So, while he was active on social media in general and made some public comments regarding the pursuit, he did not leak any information or tweet about the imminent signing of Soto beforehand. He was actually surprised by the outcome himself.

Not pretty obvious…. It’s a papal reference to awaiting a decision.

Needs to be white smoke. Dark smoke, still no decision… ;)

It's been awfully quiet since the AM rumors. Calm before the storm......

I believe if we do get Tucker, our spring training location will be a big factor. Remember when the number one reason Halladay wanted to go to the Phillies was that he lived in Clearwater and their spring training was in proximity. Listening to lots of MLVB players talk about it, and it is definitely a thing. The Mets are in Florida but in Port St Lucie est (3hrs +) on the south east coast vs Tampa on the west central coast from where Tucker lives. The Jays are the closest ST facility to where he lives of the Teams in the mix, with the Dodgers being in AZ of course,

Not really sure why anyone would be surprised at a $400m long term contract. That is what I assumed it would be coming into the off season. If you would have asked me who I would prefer after the 2024 season to give a long term contract to between Vlad and Tucker, I was all in on Tucker. Vlad was showing to be inconsistent and was still not great at 1b. I think there is a lot of recency bias (or 1 yr sample) of Vlad vs Tucker that makes people think that Tucker should be getting a lot less. If you want to be the bride and not always the bridesmaid you have to step up. These high 3, 4, 500 million plus contracts are the reality in a market that is not in a vacuum and is a competitive market economy. Don't just settle for putting in the tip. Go balls in on players like this!

Deferrals do mean they will receive less money since the value of a dollar today is assumed to be worth less in 10 yrs than current value. Additionally, the money up front or larger portion, put into an investment acct or real estate etc compounded over 8-10 years etc at a very conservative 10% is a substantial amount.

https://www.amazinavenue.com/new-york-mets-rumors/89217/mets-free-agency-kyle-tucker-four-years-contract-outfield

I was always assuming it was going to be a 8-10 yr deal. We all saw how much revenue was generated and how much fun the WS was. Don’t get caught up in an extra year or two and torpedo a deal. Getter done!!

There are a lot saying an extra year (4) with the assumption that the AAV would be the same as the first 3. You are technically correct that I don’t think there is anything confirming the fourth year is also $50m. It would make sense though.

Not liking all the attachments Tucker has with the Mets... I hope he really, really likes Springer and Straw enough (for a year).

Do you guys think the 4th yr that has apparently been offered by the Mets is true, or just trying to drive the price up.. $50/4 with opt outs is going to pretty appealing I assume....

The KEY difference is Santander was probably waiting it out to see if he would get a better offer, or offer he could use as leverage.. Which by all accounts never came. Tucker has received his, "better" offer if you just go by AAV and he now has an offer/s he can leverage. Probably going to come down to if he wants to bet on himself and go back to FA in 2-4 years, or is over the FA process and wants the long term security. Options I don't believe were available to Santander.

Tucker has better quality offers and probably only less because he commands more also... Don't think it is an apples and apples competitive analysis.

Tucker has way more options. Santander was/is a mid.

Read further in the thread after that...

Jon Heyman was on MLB today saying that the Blue Jays have been flirting with Tucker for 2 months + and he feels if Tucker really wanted to go to Toronto he already would have. I don't necessarily agree with that assumption. However, it does give me some doubt (sinking feeling) that I don't like. Having said that, I am optimistic the Blue Jays will step up and give the extra year/s millions to seal the deal.

I might have read some fake s*** then...... My apologies, I'm an idiot... Regardless, my point and estimate reference the Tucker contract probably still holds true...

Quite possibly that is what Boras is asking vs what the Phils are actually offering..