Brownie19

I don't think you're following the chain of events very well. Major issue in society right now to be honest.

I'm not following this logic (not just yours, but others too). We started with the David Ortiz comment on $585M, then we heard Vlad's camp say their "counter" didn't reach $600M, which suggested his initial offer did and made the Ortiz $585M number seem legit. Then we heard the Jays offered about $500M with deferrals and the present day value was between $400M and $450M. I think most intelligent fans would say "Vlad's asking for way too much and the Jays offer was quite reasonable". After all of this, there's a new leak that Vlad's "real" number is $500M without deferrals. If we think the team leaked this, then are we suggesting Vlad has come back to the team, post "deadline" and told them that $500M is his number? Or, perhaps, do we think the Ortiz # was too high and Vlad's actual counter offer to the Jays was $500M? We think the team wants to leak this to show fans the 2 sides aren't far apart? Doesn't this also potentially paint a picture that the Jays FO was too cheap to add like $5M AAV to get the deal done? Couldn't it also break some form of mutual trust/respect with Vlad? I guess maybe it could help with his marketability this year - as I could see fans turning on him if he's viewed as a greedy, delusional c*nt. It seems more likely to me that Vlad's camp leaked it to show he truly wants to stay in Toronto and that he's willing to negotiate a compromise. The timing just seems odd. Like he didn't think the Jays would hold their ground and let the deadline pass without a deal or something and now he wants to negotiate further... Am I missing something? We'll probably never really know what's correct. It's a pretty bizarre situation.

- Jays win 91 games and make the playoffs - Gausman win the AL Cy Young - Roden is runner up for AL ROY - Scherzer wins 14 games and starts a playoff game - Jays send 5+ players to the all-star game - Clement starts less than 50 games at 3rd base - Wagner is our leadoff hitter for the 2nd half of the season - Taters hits less than 25 HRs and struggles in his first year in Toronto - Jays finish Top 7 in runs scored - Bo is dealt before the deadline

I'm down for the Joe Kelly action. He's entertaining at least.

We really need Sandlin, Yariel and Little to step the f*ck up in the pen this year.

Pop seems like one of those guys who needs to spend the offseason in the lab - tinkering with tunneling, pitch shape, etc. to find the right combo. The arm talent is elite - he just needs the right tweak it seems.

So why are these numbers being leaked now? I have to assume this comes from the Vlad camp, which is odd, seeing as he set the internal deadline. Is he trying to save face and have fans believe he's actually being reasonable after repeatedly telling them he wants to be a Jay forever? If that's Vlad's true number, then why didn't he counter with that number during negotiations? Could it be that Vlad didn't view the spring training deadline as a true deadline and thus wasn't willing to come down to his "real" number? I was worried he didn't have any reason to truly negotiate with the Jays as the only real deadline is when he hits the market. He had no reason to do anything about shoot for the stars in hopes the Jays were stupid enough to bite. I do wonder if something changed. I know $500M is an overpay, but it doesn't sound like they are "that" far apart now - it may only be $5M per season, which is the cost of spare parts. Given all the factors (face of the franchise, fan favourite, potential HOF bat, trouble attracting stars to TO, etc.) - I think you get it done, even if it leaves a little sour taste in your mouth.

Didn't we literally have this conversation yesterday? I was comparing the 2025 Jays to the 2024 Mets, who really only had 3 really good hitters and then a bunch of guys who were just above league average. Or was that someone else? I must say - I'm warming up to you and jaysblue.

Huh? So his "counter" that was just under $600M isn't the number? If the Jays are at $450 and Vlad wants $500M - then they should get this deal done...like right now. I guess the Jays might be in the low $400's in present day value, but this is more encouraging nonetheless. I'm willing to meet him at $500M if he signs right now.

I think that's right around "the line" that most (intelligent) Blue Jays fans felt they could justify to resign Vlad. Vlad clearly never wanted to sign an extension unless he was grossly overpaid.

Suggesting Varsho is our cleanup hitter only helps to prove Jays24's point. Then again, we already had this discussion yesterday... We'd love to have a stronger "4th and 5th best hitter", but we have above average depth 1 through 9. We also have some upside bats who could step up and become more consistent middle of the order bats. It is what it is at this point. Outside of a deal, there's really no obvious fit who's going to drastically improve the lineup.

Yikes - sounds minor enough, but not what we wanted to hear... Max Scherzer has been scratched from Thursday’s start due to right thumb soreness. Blue Jays manager John Schneider told reporters the club is being “extra careful” with the decision to scratch Scherzer from his next scheduled outing due to right thumb soreness.

Those hats look ridiculous.

Term - if we just keep saying it, people will believe it. I mean - I see that strategy being used everyday with great success.

Waves to talent are starting to crash onto the shores of Toronto.

Probably a wRC+ of 250 the way he runs and plays defense.

That's my kinda ball player...

Holy f***ing aggression. I still have hope he can figure it out and be a solid MLB contributor. We need guys like him to step the f*** up.

Just pretend Taters is the DH and Roden is the LFer. I suspect that would be the configuration a lot if Roden plays himself into a full-time role. It sure looks like they are trying to find ways to get Wagner in the lineup at various positions.

That's exactly how I feel about it. We do have to remember that offense is down around baseball. Lineups aren't stacked like they used to be. Our lineup lacks star power, outside of the big 3, but otherwise, we have a ton of guys all projected to be above average from a wRC+ perspective. The 2025 Jays remind me a bit of the 2024 Mets. Lindor, Vientos and Alonso were the Top 3 (137, 133, 122) and then they had a bunch of average, to just above average hitters (Nimmo - 109, JDM - 108, Marte - 104, Alvarez - 102, Taylor - 98, McNeil - 97, Bader - 85). Of course they also had Iglesias magically give them 133, but < 300 PA's. Mets finished 7th in runs scored and wRC+ last year. The 2025 Jays are projected (Steamers) for: Vlad 156 Taters 123 Kirk 120 (seems optimistic) Bo 118 Wagner 118 (seems optimistic) Springer 110 Gimenez 104 Clement 103 Varsho 101 and a bunch of bench guys all projected around 100 wRC+ (Barger, Lukes, Schneider, Jimenez, Orelvis) Roden is projected at 110 - he's the sleeper of the bunch. I see a lot of similarities.

We could really use David Robertson right now. I suspect he's holding out for $8M+ thought. He'll wait until enough injuries pile up that someone will pay him to play.

That would be great. We're due for something to break right in our pen.

To be fair. Cole has been a stud for these guys. I know why they wanted to keep him. But this is devastating.

OOPSY! Baseball's newest - and most optimistic - player projection system https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3235025 Fun little read on the new projection system. Shout out to Tom Tango - did he make it over to the new board?