Brownie19

Not a chance. As soon as we saw Vlad in 2022, the FO made the right call to wait this out longer. If Vlad repeated 2021, or had a season like this current one, then yes - but there were REAL questions as to whether Vlad was elite and worthy of a long term commitment.

Just say you'd trade Vlad then...

I would not want to give Adames 6 or 7 years at $150-$175M Not for a guy who's like a 110 wRC+ hitter over the past 3 years. This has Dansby Swanson written all over it.

Man - two of my all time favourite hitters to watch. Edgar and Papi were incredible.

Nah man. That's weak. Don't be a snowflake sheep man.

Regardless of whether you're banned or not - we've been through this before. Why can't you just choose to use another word? It's not difficult and would make you look like less of an *******. Are you some word vigilante - out to save all the special words you used as a kid before they became offensive (or society finally grew the balls to tell you they are offensive)? Do you not care that the word retard is hurtful to the handicapped community? Or do you just not give a f*** if calling someone retarded hurts the feelings of some 12 year old handicapped kid who's already got a ton of challenges in his life. Is that the type of guy you are or want to be known as? You have no idea if there are people on this board who are handicapped or who have children or loved ones that are handicapped. It's just so f***ing ignorant man.

Pitchers are just so frustrating. Teams can lineup a f***ton of depth and have it all blow up in their faces. Look at what the Dodgers are going through this year and they're a top FO/franchise in the league. It's crazy to see.

I think this elite defense is what could separate him (especially from a Tatis, who was never going to stick there). Fair point about Elly - they'll be fun to watch over the next 15 years. Also a fair point about Witt's plate discipline, but he's been BB's up, K's down all 3 years now...so improving in that area.

1. Developing talent is going to be required either way. 2. You can hold all the impending FA's to field a "solid" team next year and then sell them at the deadline. There is risk in this and potential that you don't get as much for them as you could this offseason. Also potential you could get more (the markets at the deadline changes often). Could this approach hinder our path back to winning a division title? It could yes - but I'm not sure how "much" it would to give any opinion as to whether that's a good or bad idea. It might not be as much as you think - and thus it might be something that Ownership is comfortable and the FO is comfortable with as they'd prefer to build a "winning culture" and value that benefit as much, if not more, than the added benefit of tearing the team down more, or faster. There are lots of examples of teams that re-set the franchise without tearing the team down to the bare bones. 3. The Vlad/Bo decisions are separate from the rest of the team IMO. They are very important. Personally, I could see them extend Vlad this offseason and them keeping Bo up to the trade deadline. He'll be motivated as s*** and if he rebounds, should provide more value then, than he will during this offseason (after such a brutal year).

How good is Bobby Witt Jr. going to be? What an incredible season he's having as a 24 year old. I think there's a possibility we're watching the start of a career that could end with him being known as the greatest SS in MLB history. That might need an asterisks beside A-Rod who only played half his career at SS and full of PEDs. I also discount Honus Wagner because that was like 7 light years ago.

I agree with this. And to be honest, there's probably a lot of "pro's" to this approach (v. a full teardown where you don't try to win for 3-4 years). Build a winning culture. I think DickPole has spoken to this well in the past. It just aligns with the new reno's too well for them not to take this approach (IMO).

That is crazy. All well Jordan Montgomery is rocking an ERA over 6.50 (through 15 starts) and Eduardo Rodriguez hasn't pitched for them. They've also given Slade Cecconi 13 starts and his ERA is about 6. Sewald hasn't been good for them either and Carroll's wRC+ is still <90. It is pretty remarkable they're winning this much!

Baseball is all probabilities these days...

That's a pretty powerful swing. Reminds me of Orelvis a bit.

To be fair - Ross has had several good/great FA signings. That's one of his strengths. Semien, Ray, Belt, Gausman, Jimi, Kikuchi, 2023 KK, LGJ, Daniel Hudson, Seunghwan Oh, Steve Pearce, David Phelps

I think Atkins was due to have someone perform in the 90th percentile outcome. God knows we've had far too many players provide a bottom 5th percentile outcome (Bo's 2024, Nate Pearson, Kirk, etc.).

He's a good example of someone with elite tools who figured out how to use them. As you stated, the question is whether he can repeat this success year after year.

Pretty nice to see 90th percentile EV and bat speed. Loud tools.

I'm really excited to see him get regular at bats the rest of the year. The tools are loud - I hope he can show us he belongs.

Bo is going to be very motivated to prove this year was a fluke and that he's a franchise player heading into free agency as a 28 year old player. I think there's a massive probability that Bo rebounds next year.

I think that depends on your definition of success. You see zero playoff wins and think that means it's a colossal failure. Others see a team that averaged 90 wins, but didn't win the coin flips in the playoffs. For all we know, Rogers is quite happy with the recent results (outside of this year). I kind of expect that the objective next year may be to assemble a 80-85 win team - keep the stadium packed with naive fans, while hopefully developing some younger players. There's an avenue for this to happen with some FA dollars. You and other fans may hate this idea, but the Owners may love it.

I've been fooled! my bad.

dogg got a new handle? great.

Not according to this - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors?type=year&year=2024&batSide=&stat=index_wOBA&condition=All&rolling= Sorry - instead of asking, I decided to just go look myself and edited my post. Where'd you get 23rd from?

I agree with all of this. We aren't signing Soto. Bregman would scare the s*** out of me on a long term deal. Big drop in BB% this year, which typically means the bat speed and skills are eroding. I'd take him on a 1 year deal if he wants to rebuild his value though... That got me thinking about the Rogers park factor and whether it's changed much this year. Even found the numbers myself - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors?type=year&year=2024&batSide=&stat=index_wOBA&condition=All&rolling= Looks like Rogers Centre has been pretty consistent, before and after the renos. I thought that was interesting as there was a lot of chatter last year that the team f***ed up the hitting environment.