saskjayfan

That's not true. They paid half of Price's salary\

The Yankees signed Goldschmidt for 1 year. I doubt they trade Dominguez. Trading Vlad means getting a few years of control of a 2ish win player and a couple prospects that likely don't amount to much. The Red Sox got nothing out of the mookie betts trade. That's the more likely outcome. Keep and extend your stars. We were able to get Gausman, springer, Berrios to extend because we had young stars in Bo and Vlad. If we don't have Vlad extended our already difficult job of attracting free agents will be nearly impossible.

Most free agents are 29 to 31 years old. Bregman will be in his age 31 season and is looking for 7 years. That's far more risky than Vlad imo.

Bobby Whitt Jr is signed with the Royals for over a decade with the Royals. I'm not sure what the point of discussing him is. Yeah he's a stud. I think Vlad's had an elite hit profile 3 of the last 4 years and a above average hit profile in the other year. He disclosed he was dealing with personal ****. Honestly, I could care less if he was primarily a DH and didn't play in the field. If I signed him long term, I'd tinker and play him at third and the outfield as well as first to see if there's a better fit or if his D can get better at first.

This could be Ross's burner account. Vlad hits the ball hard more than 50% of the time. He doesn't strike out. When he's going well and the confidence is there he doesn't press and takes his walks. At the end of this year, we'll be talking about how much cheaper we could have extended Vlad right now and now we lost him to the Sox or the Yankees. We're in a rebuild with not much to start the rebuild if we lose Vlad.

Vlad's body isn't that bad. He's got league avg sprint speed. Base running and defense are things he actually can improve on. I'd play him at third and honestly I think his best position might be right field, not that I think they'll ever put him in the outfield. Vlad's going to put up .900 to 1.100 OPS seasons over the next 6 years. That's my belief. If you think he's going to languish and have sub .800 OPS seasons, that's your opinion. I just don't share it.

You either believe in the talent or you don't. Your position is exactly what Atkins is thinking. Vlad is an extremely rare elite hitter. His xwoba in 2023 was 94th percentile. He was unlucky in 23. He had one bad year in the last 4 and 22 still wasn't that bad of a year. He was dealing with some **** in 22 and 23 and the Jays ruined a lot of hitters over that time. He's back on track. I view him as one of the least risky players to sign, not the riskiest, because Vlad is a stud. He's an elite hitter.

Yeah, but Vlad's going to put up a similar season to last year and get overpaid as well..lol. Lock him up now. The market has changed and not for the better for the cheap at heart! Vlad could exceed those numbers I suggested if he puts an OPS north of 1.000 next eyar.

More than a third less Soto. I don't think Soto's that much better. 37 AAV vs 51 which turns to 55 after 5 years. I like the Vlad deal personally.

Big Papi's strike out percentage his age 40 season was 13.7%. Vlad's was 13.8% last year. Vlad was 100th percentile in expected batting Average. Bat to ball skills and power with the ability to take walks. You'll find more similarities with Papi the deeper you look. Vlad had 2 ho hum seasons, but his hard contact rate was always there. He was always close. You hear that he may have been dealing with some personal stuff and maybe the hitting philosophies were not quite matched with his talents. He's righted the ship. His bat to ball skills with his power is exceedingly rare. I wouldn't hesitate to give vlad 37 times 14 years. I feel pretty good about getting 10 good years. The last 4 I think he'll still be decent. The market dynamics changed with the Soto signing. We have to deal with that reality. They should do everything they can to sign Vlad.

David Ortiz' OPS in his age 36 season 1.026. Age 37 .959. Age 38 .873 Age 39 .913 Age 40 1.021 Ortiz had over 600 plate appearances in each of his last 4 seasons. Last time I checked Ortiz always looked like he never missed a trip to the buffet table when he played.

Merry Christmas all! Hoping for a Christmas miracle and a Vlad extension. Maybe stuff Teoscar in my stocking. Hope everyone has a great day!

He could be a big leaguer. He's not that young. A light hitting starting short stop doesn't exactly excite me. Utility guy sounds more palatable. I'm hoping Nimmala is a special young player. He was overwhelmed at the start of last year, but his turn took a u-turn June 1 and he posted an OPS north of 900 from that point on. I'm hoping he blows through high A and onto AA next year at 19 and maybe at 20 he can find his way to the bigs at some point. A guy with 30 home run potential at short. Now that's something to get excited about.

He's fine for what he is. He brings defense and speed on the base paths. That's just not what this team needs unless our budget is 50 or 60 mil higher than I think it is. I guess we will find out

His wOBA that year was .364. Hix xWOBA that year was .326. His xWOBA his other 4 seasons was .303, .268, .297 and .296. It's highly likely I'm not getting **** anything tattooed on my ass because there's almost no chance of him being a 6 WAR player. Keep dreaming though.

I'll tattoo a likeness of Ross Atkins on my ass cheek if Giminez puts up a 6 WAR season. I'm thinking 2.5 to 3.5 FWAR.

Man, I hope not.

Hitting is contagious. Team struggling. Players pressings. Last year was the only year Goldy had an OPS south of .800. His walk rate plummeted. Maybe he was 100% healthy at some point. He was a very enticing low risk bounce back candidate. 1 year gamble. Not huge dollars. Now the Yankees have him and they are set up to offer Vlad huge money next year.

Vlad can hit a laser 117 mph off the bat right over the right fielder's head off the wall and have it bounce back hard right to the right fielder and he's on first. It's an advance attempt because of where the ball hit. He would have gotten thrown out if he had tried to advance. His base running stats in that scenario take a hit for making the right decision. Organizations can have third base coaches that hold up guys at third far too often and players base running stats will suffer. Vlad makes some boneheaded mistakes on the basepaths, but he's probably not as bad as what it says on Fangraphs. FWAR is not the perfect stat. Roster construction on a team matters. The Yankees were second and won 94 games. Cleveland was 13 and won 92 games. The Tigers were 15th in team WAR and made the playoffs. The Braves were 5th in team war and barely made the playoffs. People look at the Gimenez trade and say, well the Jays got a win or two better. We're paying 19 mil a season and we didn't address what the roster needed. If we were chalk full off offense that would have been one thing, but we desperately need home runs. Committing that amount of dollars and not addressing what the roster construction required was the problem. We might climb the fantasy FWAR standings, but we're not winning more games until we address the lack of offense.

Bullpen's matter dude, and if anyone can carry a team on his own it's Judge. He put up 11.2 wins last year. They will add a couple bats. Will we do so to keep up is the question.

We just lost Bo Bichette in this trade. Who would you rather have. Bo at 23 to 25 mil a year and tack on 2 to 3 more years or Giminez at 19 mil a year for 5 years.

I know this is a s*** deal because Cleveland's management team made the trade and they are miles better than Shatkins. They are on a budget, so are we. Different budgets but the didn't think Giminez was worth the money he was owed. They've already turned Horowitz into multiple players. Like why can't we have nice things and when are going to take Jeff Luhnow out of purgatory and punt Shatkins to the moon?

We have 23 mil left in luxury tax space. Explain to me how it's even remotely possible to achieve all that. Last year we hit the season just over the luxury tax. Are we suddenly going to take our luxury tax payroll to 290?

How about chase rate, hard hit percentage. This kid f***ing sucks. He had an xwoba of .281 last year. It's a train wreck trade. We're paying 19 mil a year for a 5 years on kid who had an xwoba of .281 last year. You can jerk off to your Atkins poster all you want. We'll see who's right in a couple years on this one.

You can use algorithms using career numbers and make projections or you can look at a young player who has 7th percentile bat speed and a chase rate higher than Bo bichette and say maybe the leagues figured him out. 142 OPS+ to 98 to 82. Feel free to pay your subscription and project him at 103. Maybe you should take him in your fantasy league. When he lands between 80 and 90 the next 2 years, you'll realize this was a train wreck trade and not because of what I think Horowitz may or my not turn out to be. It's just a waste of f***ing money.