Blue Jays (Cease) vs Cubs (Peterson): 08/06/26, 2:20 PM

[Rynodb1]

24 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

This team will need to make Lukes a 4th OFer/platoon at CF and make one of Gimenez/Clement a backup SS/2B.  Santandar will replace Springer at DH. 

Not sure if this front office can get 2 big bats in the offseason as the list of free agents isnt great + our crappy farm system but thats what will be required.  No team will ever have clean health.  

Haven't you learned better than to count on Santander? I usually f*** with you, but that sounds crazy. Lol. 

[BTS]

1 hour ago, VladdyAlomar said:

Everyone in here so delusional lol. Clowns. 

I just looked through your post history and you've added nothing of any value since joining. Just negative slop like this. What do you get out of posting here? 

[bronson44]

Arrighetti came out of the game with an injury in his rehab start

[Omar]

Just now, bronson44 said:

Arrighetti came out of the game with an injury in his rehab start

Can someone give me some good news about this team?  Anybody? Anything?

[bronson44]

7 minutes ago, Omar said:

Can someone give me some good news about this team?  Anybody? Anything?

The next stretch of games might improve our draft lottery odds!

[Masterbather]

23 minutes ago, bronson44 said:

The next stretch of games might improve our draft lottery odds!

Yeah I think today officially is white flag day.

I've been holding out hope that this team is not dead yet, that we still have the pieces to make a final run at this but it all just keeps falling apart.

Between the injuries, an offense that's still dead in the water and the upcoming schedule. Time to look towards next year and beyond,

[bronson44]

2 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Yeah I think today officially is white flag day.

I've been holding out hope that this team is not dead yet, that we still have the pieces to make a final run at this but it all just keeps falling apart.

Between the injuries, an offense that's still dead in the water and the upcoming schedule. Time to look towards next year and beyond,

Yeah I was able to rekindle a spark of hope briefly but these bats are just not going to come around this year. I'm not even sure how you fix it for next year.

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, bronson44 said:

The next stretch of games might improve our draft lottery odds!

No.  We are picking 7th and that gets dropped to 17th.  Mark my words.  

Batement Sucks

Spaghetti injured

Yesivage Injured

Varland done (blew last 2 games to end our season)

Vlad career over and owed 500 million. 

Nothing good will happen for a generation.  Oct 30th 2025 to February 18th 2054.   Hope will come back maybe if the world doesn't end on that day 28 and some years from now.  But many of us will be gone.  Some still here I hope to enjoy 2054. 

[bronson44]

25 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

No.  We are picking 7th and that gets dropped to 17th.  Mark my words.

I know it. The Leafs used up all the draft lottery luck in this city.

[hanton]

on that play PCA owned Little, barely bothered to hold him on - glanced once out towards LF lol, BV did all he could and JS f'ck up

[Stangstag]

19 minutes ago, hanton said:

on that play PCA owned Little, barely bothered to hold him on - glanced once out towards LF lol, BV did all he could and JS f'ck up

Yeah that wasn’t even a bad throw to 3rd, the play needs to be made. Cant miss that catch altogether 

[decosabute]

5 hours ago, SeranthonySantander said:

these little f#@$#ts got their own jet airplanes.  these little f#*%@ts are all millionaires

$300m for nothing, and your chicks for free.

[decosabute]

4 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah that wasn’t even a bad throw to 3rd, the play needs to be made. Cant miss that catch altogether 

I turned it off as soon as we lost and only just saw it back. I hadn't seen it clearly and just assumed Valenzuela had airmailed it, but it was definitely at least a catchable throw. Smith is a joke of a player - completely useless. 

[decosabute]

9 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

The run differential last year was about the same as 2022 and 2023.    There have been many years where offense and pitching were both above average.  

This year on pace to score the fewest runs outside of the first four years.  1977 to 1980. 

That was before my time.  Almost none of us have experienced an offense like this.   I haven't.  I don't know what this is. 

Yeah this can't just be explained away as bad roster management from RA or bad bench management from JS. What we're seeing is spectacular, nearly all-time historic levels of awful offense. 

Look at some of our lineup's OPS, WAR and HRs this season compared to not just what they did last season, but just to (in brackets) career average and normal expectations:

Biggest producers not producing:

George Springer .725 OPS (.825), 0.3 WAR (4.5), 12 HRs (~25 HRs for the season) 

Vlad Guerrero .687 OPS (.844), 0.6 WAR (3.9), 6 HRs (~25-30 for the season)

Alejandro Kirk .667 OPS (.738), 0.4 WAR (3.1), 4 HRs (~15 for the season)

Daulton Varsho .682 OPS (.719), 0.8 WAR (4.0), 7 HRs (~20-25 for the season)

From the above, you can see a pathetic combined 2.1 WAR from the four players. Basically we've gotten very little from them that replacement players couldn't have given us. Also, we could've reasonably expected around a combined 30-35 HRs more so far from these players alone, just based on their career average level, and what they've done over the past few years. Another 30-35 HRs puts us up in the top 10 of all MLB teams. 

 

Players who haven't played at all due injury:

Anthony Santander (.762 OPS and ~30 HRs for the season) 

Addison Barger (.694 OPS and ~15-20 HRs for the season) 

Obviously you can't simply add on all of the HRs that Santander and Barger might have hit if they'd been healthy, because others have played those games. But them playing a normal amount of games and producing at a level you'd reasonably expect from them might have added approximately 10-15 HRs. 

Add that on to what we're missing from our underperfomers, and we'd be in the top few teams for HRs. 

What we're seeing this season is the wheels coming off to varying degrees for four of our biggest run producers offensively. And two of the other big bats missing the entire season. The only true run producer we have who has actually produced is Okamoto, and even he is extremely frustrating and streaky, with only a 1.4 WAR. While they're clearly getting overpaid, our problem isn't the likes of Jesus Sanchez or Andres Gimenez - they're very mediocre overall, but they're at least somewhat doing what they were expected to. The problem is those who should be carrying the offense simply aren't. 

We can moan about Atkins and Schneider all we like, and some of it will be fair. But if you basically remove six of the seven biggest hitters from any team and replace them with league-average players for an entire season, which is effectively what has happened, then I don't care who that team is, they'll struggle. No team in the history of baseball could cope with pretty much all their run producers not producing anything above league average, all at the same time. 

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, decosabute said:

We can moan about Atkins and Schneider all we like, and some of it will be fair. But if you basically remove six of the seven biggest hitters from any team and replace them with league-average players for an entire season, which is effectively what has happened, then I don't care who that team is, they'll struggle.

Don't forget Giminez.  He is also way below his career averages.  I think the bad hitters sometimes get a pass for being extra bad.  Giminez has a career .310 on base, and is .280 or so this year. 

Vlad, Kirk, Barger, Giminez, Varsho are a 26-29 years old and collectively 27.  They should be in their absolute prime as players and instead they are basically replacement collectively. 

[Jays24]

16 hours ago, Rynodb1 said:

Haven't you learned better than to count on Santander? I usually f*** with you, but that sounds crazy. Lol. 

Haha its not that im counting on him but hes still under contract.  Its why I mentioned needing 2 big bats still because your team needs to have enough depth to overcome injuries to a Santandar + others.