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Posted
38 minutes ago, glory said:

Okamoto looked solid at 3B and has a good approach at the plate. Cautiously optimistic that he's an above average MLB hitter. 

Great win. Very reminiscent of the 2025 Jays so maybe the magic is still there. 

Seems like a great number 2 hitter.  Think we might have to suck it up and go with 3 righties at the top eventually.  

Springer - Okamoto - Vlad - Barger - Kirk - Varsho - Clement - Gimenez

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Posted
1 minute ago, Jays24 said:

Seems like a great number 2 hitter.  Think we might have to suck it up and go with 3 righties at the top eventually.  

Springer - Okamoto - Vlad - Barger - Kirk - Varsho - Clement - Gimenez

But where do we slot Santander when he’s back

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Posted
26 minutes ago, ComeTogether said:

 

Vladdy is such a joker.  Tight club house. 

 

 

 

 

Remember when Bo was an absolute stick and hated the gatorade showers?

Posted
10 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Thats tough for anyone to handle man.  Feel bad for him at a human level even if im annoyed as a fan

I don't feel bad for anyone getting paid $11M/yr to blow saves. lol

Old-Timey Member
Posted

I have to give a ton of credit to Kirk tonight as he expertly framed a bunch of pitches outside of the zone to receive extra strikes for Gausman. I thought that the A's hitters were asleep at the switch at times as there were a lot of obvious opportunities for them to challenge throughout the game.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, max silver said:

I have to give a ton of credit to Kirk tonight as he expertly framed a bunch of pitches outside of the zone to receive extra strikes for Gausman. I thought that the A's hitters were asleep at the switch at times as there were a lot of obvious opportunities for them to challenge throughout the game.

Even Kurtz missed a big challenge which would have been ball 4 for him, instead of strike 3. Thought he was asleep not challenging that in that critical moment late in the game. 

Community Moderator
Posted
25 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Maybe just me but it really feels like there should be a rule that says you cannot get credited with a W if you blow a save or hold lol

Well these are all pretty dumb stats anyway. Wins, holds, saves, blown saves... 

Verified Member
Posted
51 minutes ago, max silver said:

I have to give a ton of credit to Kirk tonight as he expertly framed a bunch of pitches outside of the zone to receive extra strikes for Gausman. I thought that the A's hitters were asleep at the switch at times as there were a lot of obvious opportunities for them to challenge throughout the game.

I had the same thought and I wondered if we weren’t seeing challenges in some of those situations will they ever allow their hitters to challenge?  I bet we start seeing more teams allow challenges against Kirk as the season goes on.

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Posted
54 minutes ago, max silver said:

I have to give a ton of credit to Kirk tonight as he expertly framed a bunch of pitches outside of the zone to receive extra strikes for Gausman. I thought that the A's hitters were asleep at the switch at times as there were a lot of obvious opportunities for them to challenge throughout the game.

Early on in the game I commented to my father that I thought ABS was causing the umps to perform better as it holds them accountable and I hadn’t seen a ton of issues in early games I watched.  Then Kirky went to work stealing all kinds of strikes and put that thought to bed.

Old-Timey Member
Posted
31 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Maybe just me but it really feels like there should be a rule that says you cannot get credited with a W if you blow a save or hold lol

As long as MLB is still assigning wins to the pitcher based on when they pitched in the game and the score at the time there isn't any other choice. 

Community Moderator
Posted

The challenge system is super interesting 

Common sense says teams should be more willing to challenge later in games or in leverage situations. You don't want to blow your two chances early and then not have a challenge in a leverage spot.

Teams will probably red light and green light certain players 

Obvious missed calls may not be noticed by every player - some have better eyes than others! 

I can't wait to see someone like Jazz blow two challenges in one PA early in a game, and end up in a headline 

Old-Timey Member
Posted

They should just give the win to the pitcher who pitched the most innings combined with their ERA in the game for a simple/logical formula.  Its really not hard lol

Community Moderator
Posted

It's funny now all of a sudden fans are mad at their own team and not the umps all the time 

HOW DID YOU MISS THAT CALL 

becomes 

WHY DIDN'T YOU BLEEPING CHALLENGE THAT, NICK KURTZ!!!???

Community Moderator
Posted
6 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

They should just give the win to the pitcher who pitched the most innings combined with their ERA in the game for a simple/logical formula.  Its really not hard lol

Literally use WPA 

Old-Timey Member
Posted
10 minutes ago, Laika said:

It's funny now all of a sudden fans are mad at their own team and not the umps all the time 

HOW DID YOU MISS THAT CALL 

becomes 

WHY DIDN'T YOU BLEEPING CHALLENGE THAT, NICK KURTZ!!!???

Its awesome... now we dont gotta hear teams chirp at the umps and can only blame themselves lol

Old-Timey Member
Posted
43 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

Early on in the game I commented to my father that I thought ABS was causing the umps to perform better as it holds them accountable and I hadn’t seen a ton of issues in early games I watched.  Then Kirky went to work stealing all kinds of strikes and put that thought to bed.

Anyone see what happened with Salvy Perez yesterday?? Ump called almost the exact same pitch at the bottom of the zone a ball, Perez challenged it 3 times and all 3 were overturned lol

Perez probably has the reverse effect since he’s so bad at framing, but now he can bail himself with the challenge system 

Couldn’t have happened to a better ump too, Doug Eddings. Get fkn embarrassed bro

Posted
12 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

Hoffman with 36.00 K/9 and on pace for 162 wins this year. Can't complain about that

 

/s

I remember in 2010, Casey Jansses was 3-0 after maybe 5 games of the season as a reliever. I was like this guy is going to be a 20 game winner as a reliever

 

Community Moderator
Posted

For the most part, the ABS challenge system is highlighting how good umpires actually are. Like 250 pitches thrown in last night's game, and players felt confident enough to challenge a single call. And only the Kurtz strike 3 really stood out as one that probably should have been challenged. 

We as fans see a pitch out of the zone by an inch or two and cry about how bad the ump is, but in reality there aren't many calls in a game bad enough that the players on the field are comfortable challenging them. 

Old-Timey Member
Posted
14 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

Hoffman with 36.00 K/9 and on pace for 162 wins this year. Can't complain about that

 

/s

 

Old-Timey Member
Posted
2 hours ago, BTS said:

For the most part, the ABS challenge system is highlighting how good umpires actually are. Like 250 pitches thrown in last night's game, and players felt confident enough to challenge a single call. And only the Kurtz strike 3 really stood out as one that probably should have been challenged. 

We as fans see a pitch out of the zone by an inch or two and cry about how bad the ump is, but in reality there aren't many calls in a game bad enough that the players on the field are comfortable challenging them. 

I think it would be more accurate to say that the new system shows how important  it is not to waste challenges until theres a time when catcher who actually knows what he's doing can pull it off. 

Umps are already way better than they were 10 years ago just by looking at umpscorecards over the years. 

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