Bieber exercises player option

[Governator]

Hell yea!  Thanks Biebs

[Brownie19]

4 hours ago, Omar said:

So now that we are loaded up with RH starters Atkins needs to pull the trigger on a lefty to round out the rotation.  Ranger Saurez come on down!  Please make it happen Ross. 

I also think Ranger Saurez would be a good fit.  His drop in velo is a bit concerning, but his statcast page was as good as ever last year.

[Vancouverite]

11 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

You would think at some point this winter they will announce an extension. Seems crazy to take this option when he clearly could have went to free agency and gotten at worst 2x$25million AAV or something like that.

Defenietly speaks of his character where other factors > short term money. 

Gotta give shatkins credit they've assembled and very likeable team full of good characters. 

[Vancouverite]

10 hours ago, hanton said:

A sign of things to come (bo?).

Gausman

Beiber

Yesavage

Berrios

Bassitt?

 

might need another stud starter

Id love to bring Bassit back as a bullpen arm

 

I wonder if Bassit has ever contemplated that or would be willing to accept it

[Brownie19]

34 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

Id love to bring Bassit back as a bullpen arm

I wonder if Bassit has ever contemplated that or would be willing to accept it

Seems doubtful Bassitt would want to be a full-time reliver.  He may also not be as effective at it when it's early June and his adrenaline isn't at max tiddies like it was in the playoffs.  

I also did notice that in his first couple of relief appearances, he was throwing 96, but in his final few, he was more in the 92-94 range.  He got the job done, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is.  

Love the hound though - would love to see the team find a way to have him back at the #5.

[John_Havok]

3 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Seems doubtful Bassitt would want to be a full-time reliver.  He may also not be as effective at it when it's early June and his adrenaline isn't at max tiddies like it was in the playoffs.  

I also did notice that in his first couple of relief appearances, he was throwing 96, but in his final few, he was more in the 92-94 range.  He got the job done, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is.  

Love the hound though - would love to see the team find a way to have him back at the #5.

Never mind that he may not want to be a reliever, but lets say he does... What pay cut is he going to take to be one? What's the market on swingmen these days? I don't see him suddenly being a closer and earning that level of paycheck. 

[Jonn]

Never even considered Bieber returning as a real possibility atleast not at a sweetheart price. It really does change everything. It allows the Jays to really push for another top end Starter.

Gotta get Bo done and free agency will truly start when Amai gets posted its also possible he won’t. But a lot of teams will want to know all of their options.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Skubal or Ryan seem like pipe dreams but man...with one of those guys, this rotation is absolutely nasty to face in the playoffs. Imagine game 1 - Skubal, Game 2 - Gausman, Game 3 - Bieber, Game 4 - Yesavage.

For them to get one of those guys likely means bye bye Tiedemann or Nimmala (or both). But with Nimmala, if we actually do resign Bo you know it's 7-8 years minimum, plus Gimenez for the next 4 at least, and we have Ernie. Is there even a spot for Nimmala on this team in the next half decade? And I would trade Tiedemann who could be great, or could not work out, for a proven ace. 

Just thinking out loud playing arm chair GM for a second. It all hinges on Bo signing. If he does, the flexibility is there especially with Gausman potentially coming off the books next year, that Nimmala and/or JoJo are expendable. If they are, do the Jays go after Skubal? And if they do, Berrios becomes obsolete and maybe he goes to Detroit in the same package. Then the Jays have the cash to sign Skubal long term.

Probability is extremely low but man that's fun to dream on.

[SeranthonySantander]

12 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Skubal or Ryan seem like pipe dreams but man...with one of those guys, this rotation is absolutely nasty to face in the playoffs. Imagine game 1 - Skubal, Game 2 - Gausman, Game 3 - Bieber, Game 4 - Yesavage.

It’s just a little scary because it’s just 1 year of Skubal.  There will be some ace quality pitchers available at the deadline too.

Even though it’s like a 1% chance of happening still say do it.  Figure it out later after next season.

[ValiantJaysFan]

2 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

It’s just a little scary because it’s just 1 year of Skubal.  There will be some ace quality pitchers available at the deadline too.

Even though it’s like a 1% chance of happening still say do it.  Figure it out later after next season.

I mean the deal would have to be contingent on him signing, or a sign and trade. But, even at 1 year…that’s a pretty sweet rotation and maybe he falls in love with Toronto like everyone else has.

[Laika]

40 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Skubal or Ryan seem like pipe dreams but man...with one of those guys, this rotation is absolutely nasty to face in the playoffs. Imagine game 1 - Skubal, Game 2 - Gausman, Game 3 - Bieber, Game 4 - Yesavage.

For them to get one of those guys likely means bye bye Tiedemann or Nimmala (or both). But with Nimmala, if we actually do resign Bo you know it's 7-8 years minimum, plus Gimenez for the next 4 at least, and we have Ernie. Is there even a spot for Nimmala on this team in the next half decade? And I would trade Tiedemann who could be great, or could not work out, for a proven ace. 

Just thinking out loud playing arm chair GM for a second. It all hinges on Bo signing. If he does, the flexibility is there especially with Gausman potentially coming off the books next year, that Nimmala and/or JoJo are expendable. If they are, do the Jays go after Skubal? And if they do, Berrios becomes obsolete and maybe he goes to Detroit in the same package. Then the Jays have the cash to sign Skubal long term.

Probability is extremely low but man that's fun to dream on.

Tiedemann and Nimmala are kind of old-hat now anyway. If you can get Skubal for those two, you do it easily. Very flawed prospects. 

The ones who are harder to give up are guys like JoJo Parker, Johnny King, Gage Stanifer, maybe even that Juan Sanchez baby who hit 8 homers in the DoSL

[VladdyAlomar]

13 hours ago, harvey16 said:

Can't see Bassitt being resigned unless he comes back in a reliever role. He's not worth $20M+ entering his age 37 season. He had a mediocre 2025 season. Let's face it, he's been declining in the last 2 years.

Gotta disagree a bit here. Yeah, Bassitt’s not getting any younger, but calling his 2025 “mediocre” feels off. He still gave the Jays a ton of innings when a lot of rotations around the league were falling apart. His consistency and durability have real value, especially on a team that’s leaned on him to stabilize things.  

He’s also one of the smartest pitchers out there—adapts his approach, mixes speeds, and keeps hitters guessing even when his stuff isn’t elite anymore. That kind of craftiness doesn’t disappear overnight.  

If he’s open to a shorter deal, I’d absolutely keep him in the rotation. Guys like Bassitt have a lot more left in the tank than the stat line sometimes shows.  

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

I mean the deal would have to be contingent on him signing, or a sign and trade. But, even at 1 year…that’s a pretty sweet rotation and maybe he falls in love with Toronto like everyone else has.

He's a California kid so I could guess where he might end up in 2027......

[ValiantJaysFan]

48 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

He's a California kid so I could guess where he might end up in 2027......

2027 is potentially a lock out year and who knows what changes get made to the CBA…he might want to lock into something long term beforehand. That’s what I’m telling myself anyway. 😂

[SeranthonySantander]

On rosenthal interview today, he does say no extension is in the works but I guess he can be wrong.  But yea with lock out potentially happening better for us to wait and see how he does.

[Vancouverite]

If we got money this year id love throwing money at Dylan cease. .more than trading for a top end guy that will deplete our farm 

 

Cease is a guy i see could have his best years ever with Pete Walker as coach

 

We also need a reliable #6 / long arm guy. I can defienietly see both Scherzer and Bassitt wanting to come back. At this point for them they made their money I can see them coming back for dirt cheap

[Ryu In My House]

This is absolutely shocking. Wow.

[JaysAllMighty]

Wow,  he sure made all the fans happy!

[Nexii]

I was wrong about the Jays being too nice. It might have hurt them giving Hoffman and IKF a lot of play time but this is the other side of the coin. Perhaps being this way is more of a strength than weakness. Now that the sting is off the World Series loss, I think it's also what made the team play well above expectations. 

[ValiantJaysFan]

11 hours ago, Vancouverite said:

If we got money this year id love throwing money at Dylan cease. .more than trading for a top end guy that will deplete our farm 

 

Cease is a guy i see could have his best years ever with Pete Walker as coach

 

We also need a reliable #6 / long arm guy. I can defienietly see both Scherzer and Bassitt wanting to come back. At this point for them they made their money I can see them coming back for dirt cheap

Cease is really not that good. His last really good season was in 2022. Maybe Walker fixes him but I’d much rather a proven stud (ideally lefty also). Wouldn’t be mad about it but I don’t think he’s the guy we want as a first choice.

[Spanky__99]

3 hours ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Cease is really not that good. His last really good season was in 2022. Maybe Walker fixes him but I’d much rather a proven stud (ideally lefty also). Wouldn’t be mad about it but I don’t think he’s the guy we want as a first choice.

Cease is a top 20 starter in the MLB dude? I'd rather the lefty in Ranger Suarez, a different look in the rotation.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

[Rimar]

On 11/5/2025 at 12:42 PM, Laika said:

Tiedemann and Nimmala are kind of old-hat now anyway. If you can get Skubal for those two, you do it easily. Very flawed prospects. 

The ones who are harder to give up are guys like JoJo Parker, Johnny King, Gage Stanifer, maybe even that Juan Sanchez baby who hit 8 homers in the DoSL

Tidermann have as much trade value Manoah had before he signed with the Brave. Nimmala he's basically a Orelvis 2.0.  He can hit HR but have plenty of SO and his AVG is awful in A+ for a supposedly top prospect. The only prospect in the farm that are appealing for other teams, are  Parker, Sanchez and Johnny King.  The last one he throw left and have 105 SO in 60 innings. He can become a top reliever. 

[Vancouverite]

3 hours ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Cease is really not that good. His last really good season was in 2022. Maybe Walker fixes him but I’d much rather a proven stud (ideally lefty also). Wouldn’t be mad about it but I don’t think he’s the guy we want as a first choice.

We will agree to disagree. Cease has potential to take over games

[Spanky__99]

20 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

We will agree to disagree. Cease has potential to take over games

He's flat out wrong.

[ValiantJaysFan]

42 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

He's flat out wrong.

4.55 ERA, 1.1 WAR, walks a lot of batters (3.8 per 9 innings), curveball got hammered this season, beyond his slider his secondary pitches are completely unreliable, and he's spent the last two seasons pitching in a very pitcher friendly division.

Wouldn't be my first choice. Wouldn't be the worst choice, but definitely not my first. And also, we have no lefty starters. Those are nice to have strategically in the post season.

But, this isn't a hill I'm going to die on so it is what it is.

[Brownie19]

3 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

4.55 ERA, 1.1 WAR, walks a lot of batters (3.8 per 9 innings), curveball got hammered this season, beyond his slider his secondary pitches are completely unreliable, and he's spent the last two seasons pitching in a very pitcher friendly division.

Wouldn't be my first choice. Wouldn't be the worst choice, but definitely not my first. And also, we have no lefty starters. Those are nice to have strategically in the post season.

But, this isn't a hill I'm going to die on so it is what it is.

You forgot to mention his W/L record too!

[SeranthonySantander]

9 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You forgot to mention his W/L record too!

Shave a point and a half off his era, keep the home runs down and get more strikeouts, get that walk rate down a bit.  We’d be looking at our new number 1 starter.

[Spanky__99]

22 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You forgot to mention his W/L record too!

lol... beat me to it.

[Spanky__99]

For the life of me, man. How can you say the dude's not good, lmao

 

#	Name	Team	W	L	SV	G	GS	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	BABIP	LOB%	GB%	HR/FB	vFA (pi)	ERA	xERA	FIP	xFIP	WAR
1	Tarik Skubal	DET	13	6	0	31	31	195.1	11.10	1.52	0.83	.273	80.6%	41.0%	10.1%	97.7	2.21	2.74	2.45	2.66	6.6
2	Paul Skenes	PIT	10	10	0	32	32	187.2	10.36	2.01	0.53	.273	82.4%	44.3%	6.3%	98.2	1.97	2.59	2.36	3.03	6.5
3	Cristopher Sánchez	PHI	13	5	0	32	32	202.0	9.45	1.96	0.53	.298	79.8%	58.3%	9.2%		2.50	3.00	2.55	2.77	6.4
4	Garrett Crochet	BOS	18	5	0	32	32	205.1	11.18	2.02	1.05	.290	84.3%	48.3%	14.1%	96.5	2.59	2.92	2.89	2.64	5.8
5	Logan Webb	SFG	15	11	0	34	34	207.0	9.74	2.00	0.61	.346	74.3%	53.2%	9.9%	92.7	3.22	3.62	2.60	2.78	5.5
6	Jesús Luzardo	PHI	15	7	0	32	32	183.2	10.58	2.79	0.78	.324	69.4%	42.8%	9.0%	96.4	3.92	3.31	2.90	3.25	5.3
7	Yoshinobu Yamamoto	LAD	12	8	0	30	30	173.2	10.42	3.06	0.73	.243	78.5%	52.8%	10.8%	95.3	2.49	2.73	2.94	3.05	5.0
8	Max Fried	NYY	19	5	0	32	32	195.1	8.71	2.35	0.65	.279	74.0%	52.4%	8.7%	95.8	2.86	3.40	3.07	3.41	4.8
9	Hunter Brown	HOU	12	9	0	31	31	185.1	10.00	2.77	0.83	.262	82.0%	48.1%	11.4%	96.6	2.43	3.13	3.14	3.19	4.6
10	Kevin Gausman	TOR	10	11	0	32	32	193.0	8.81	2.33	0.98	.262	72.2%	36.7%	9.5%	94.5	3.59	3.70	3.41	3.77	4.1
11	Framber Valdez	HOU	13	11	0	31	31	192.0	8.77	3.19	0.70	.297	72.9%	58.6%	12.3%	95.4	3.66	3.75	3.37	3.34	4.0
12	Andrew Abbott	CIN	10	7	0	29	29	166.1	8.06	2.33	1.03	.274	80.0%	31.8%	8.3%	92.7	2.87	3.57	3.66	4.31	3.9
13	Nick Pivetta	SDP	13	5	0	31	31	181.2	9.41	2.48	1.09	.235	78.7%	33.5%	9.7%	93.9	2.87	4.00	3.49	3.85	3.7
14	Michael Wacha	KCR	10	13	0	31	31	172.2	6.57	2.35	0.78	.287	72.7%	37.2%	6.6%	93.3	3.86	4.17	3.66	4.56	3.6
15	Freddy Peralta	MIL	17	6	0	33	33	176.2	10.39	3.36	1.07	.243	85.5%	37.3%	10.4%	94.7	2.70	3.46	3.64	3.85	3.6
16	Bryan Woo	SEA	15	7	0	30	30	186.2	9.55	1.74	1.25	.238	80.4%	40.8%	12.8%	95.7	2.94	3.10	3.47	3.33	3.6
17	Sonny Gray	STL	14	8	0	32	32	180.2	10.01	1.89	1.25	.329	69.6%	43.9%	14.5%	91.7	4.28	3.88	3.39	3.07	3.6
18	Matthew Boyd	CHC	14	8	0	31	31	179.2	7.71	2.10	0.95	.273	76.2%	37.9%	8.4%	93.3	3.21	3.71	3.65	4.22	3.4
19	Dylan Cease	SDP	8	12	0	32	32	168.0	11.52	3.80	1.13	.320	69.0%	36.6%	11.9%	97.1	4.55	3.46	3.56	3.56	3.4
20	Jacob deGrom	TEX	12	8	0	30	30	172.2	9.64	1.93	1.36	.230	83.6%	37.8%	13.8%	97.6	2.97	3.37	3.64	3.37	3.4
21	Carlos Rodón	NYY	18	9	0	33	33	195.1	9.35	3.36	1.01	.228	76.4%	43.5%	11.1%	94.1	3.09	3.31	3.78	3.89	3.2
22	David Peterson	NYM	9	6	0	30	30	168.2	8.00	3.47	0.59	.316	69.2%	54.7%	9.2%	92.4	4.22	4.51	3.48	3.72	3.1
23	Joe Ryan	MIN	13	10	0	31	30	171.0	10.21	2.05	1.37	.268	78.6%	36.7%	12.1%	93.6	3.42	3.46	3.74	3.70	3.1
24	Merrill Kelly	2 Tms	12	9	0	32	32	184.0	8.17	2.35	1.13	.264	73.2%	43.1%	11.5%	91.9	3.52	4.08	3.76	3.81	3.1
25	José Soriano	LAA	10	11	0	31	31	169.0	8.09	4.15	0.64	.306	67.8%	65.3%	15.0%	98.0	4.26	4.10	3.73	3.54	3.0
26	Brady Singer	CIN	14	12	0	32	32	169.2	8.65	3.18	1.01	.285	72.9%	38.9%	10.0%	91.5	4.03	4.30	3.98	4.25	2.9
27	Luis Castillo	SEA	11	8	0	32	32	180.2	8.07	2.29	1.15	.286	76.8%	41.3%	10.5%	95.1	3.54	4.09	3.88	4.09	2.6
28	Dean Kremer	BAL	11	10	0	31	29	171.2	7.44	2.36	1.15	.284	70.9%	39.9%	10.2%	93.3	4.19	3.88	3.97	4.24	2.6
29	Luis Severino	ATH	8	11	0	29	29	162.2	6.86	2.77	0.89	.293	65.7%	41.2%	8.4%	96.2	4.54	4.61	4.11	4.63	2.5
30	Mitch Keller	PIT	6	15	0	32	32	176.1	7.66	2.60	1.07	.290	69.6%	43.6%	10.8%	94.1	4.19	4.39	4.02	4.17	2.5

[Spanky__99]

On 11/5/2025 at 12:42 PM, Laika said:

Tiedemann and Nimmala are kind of old-hat now anyway. If you can get Skubal for those two, you do it easily. Very flawed prospects. 

The ones who are harder to give up are guys like JoJo Parker, Johnny King, Gage Stanifer, maybe even that Juan Sanchez baby who hit 8 homers in the DoSL

Tigers would never do that... 😜