Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

I said a 100M pre arb, read.

A friendly wager($20), bud... Varsho's projected for a 100 wRC+, I'll take the over again just as I did with Clement.

Where did I say I think Varsho is going to be under 100 wRC+? Haha.

[Spanky__99]

12 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Where did I say I think Varsho is going to be under 100 wRC+? Haha.

Where did I say Clement wasn't going to be under a 100? 

[jaysblue]

1 minute ago, Spanky__99 said:

Where did I say Clement wasn't? 

I actually think Varsho could go over 100 wRC+ in 2026 again. I wouldn't take the under lol. 

[Spanky__99]

8 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

I actually think Varsho could go over 100 wRC+ in 2026 again. I wouldn't take the under lol. 

You're such a f*ckin' pussy man, lol... let me guess you need odds, sandbagger. 🖕

[G-Snarls]

So.... Team is probably set for the season; at this point, right?

[Brownie19]

43 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

What is your problem dude? We can disagree without it turning personal.

That’s honestly not the intent at all. I’m not rooting for the offense to fail, and I’m definitely not trying to set up an “I told you so.” I want this team to mash and prove all of this unnecessary.

The concern comes from risk assessment, not negativity. Talking about downside, regression, or thin margins isn’t the same as hoping for it and it doesn’t mean I’m itching to rip Atkins. If the offense is top-5, that’s a massive win for everyone.

Offseason discussion is always going to include differing levels of optimism vs. caution. That’s kind of the point of the board. Disagreeing on roster construction doesn’t mean bad faith or ulterior motives. It just means we’re weighing the same information differently.

Deep breaths, man. It’s just offseason roster talk.

Just calling a spade a spade.  You've been going on about how you think we need to add offense for weeks now.  Just like you did all last offseason.  You even went as far as to claim interest in Yoan Moncada is proof the Jays FO agrees with you.  

[L54]

Holy truck does the board have capabilities to hide posts from Brownie and JB when they quote each other arguing like brother and sister 

[L54]

15 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

So.... Team is probably set for the season; at this point, right?

Feels like it 

 

[Pendleton]

9 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Just calling a spade a spade.  You've been going on about how you think we need to add offense for weeks now.  Just like you did all last offseason.  You even went as far as to claim interest in Yoan Moncada is proof the Jays FO agrees with you.  

 

There is an ancient Pendletonian proverb that states 

A calm heart remains unbothered in spades 

[jaysblue]

54 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

You're such a f*ckin' pussy man, lol... let me guess you need odds, sandbagger. 🖕

How so? I wouldn't bet the under for Varsho. 

[jaysblue]

29 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Just calling a spade a spade.  You've been going on about how you think we need to add offense for weeks now.  Just like you did all last offseason.  You even went as far as to claim interest in Yoan Moncada is proof the Jays FO agrees with you.  

Yeah, I’ve been consistent about wanting more offense - that’s not some hidden agenda. I'm not the only poster. Didn’t realize discussing offense made me public enemy no. 1, but here we are. It’s just how I evaluate the roster and the risk profile, especially in this division. Consistency isn’t the same as bad faith.

And the Moncada point wasn’t “proof” of anything. It was just an example that the front office is at least considering adding another bat, which lines up with the idea that the offense could still use insulation. You can disagree with that assessment, but that doesn’t make it some setup for an “I told you so.”

If the offense ends up being top-tier, awesome. That’s the best possible outcome. The discussion is about process and probabilities, not rooting for failure.

[jaysblue]

29 minutes ago, L54 said:

Holy truck does the board have capabilities to hide posts from Brownie and JB when they quote each other arguing like brother and sister 

Fair - we were actually getting along for the longest time too. Unfortunately, he just slid back into his old attacking ways for some reason. I guess Jays24 isn't enough for him 😂

[Brownie19]

I just love bustin' your balls man.  We should have bets to see how early in the season you or your brother call for Atkins to be fired.  What's the over/under - 8 weeks?

[Spanky__99]

45 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

How so? I wouldn't bet the under for Varsho. 

And I didn't want to bet Clement, you're a pussy when it fits your narrative. Coward/Yella/Spine of Gelatin, etc....

[Spanky__99]

On 1/19/2026 at 8:03 PM, Spanky__99 said:

He's projected for a 100 wRC+, it's not extremely optimistic.

 

On 1/19/2026 at 8:31 PM, jaysblue said:

Friendly wager? O/U 100 wRC+

Case of beer! 

 

 

 

On 1/19/2026 at 8:52 PM, Spanky__99 said:

Seek help.

 

On 1/19/2026 at 8:58 PM, jaysblue said:

 

On 1/19/2026 at 9:05 PM, Spanky__99 said:

lol... fine, 20 bucks. Beeeyootch!

Maybe I should ask for odds...🤔😅

 

18 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Varsho needed to be extended before Arb at a 100M for 5 years, just sayin'

 

9 hours ago, jaysblue said:

You think he would get $100M+ as a free agent?

 

 

5 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

I said a 100M pre arb, read.

A friendly wager($20), bud... Varsho's projected for a 100 wRC+, I'll take the over again just as I did with Clement.

 

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Where did I say I think Varsho is going to be under 100 wRC+? Haha.

 

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Where did I say Clement wasn't going to be under a 100? 

 

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

I actually think Varsho could go over 100 wRC+ in 2026 again. I wouldn't take the under lol. 

 

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

You're such a f*ckin' pussy man, lol... let me guess you need odds, sandbagger. 🖕

 

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

How so? I wouldn't bet the under for Varsho. 

 

17 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

And I didn't want to bet Clement, you're a pussy when it fits your narrative. Coward/Yella/Spine of Gelatin, etc....

Nuff said, pusso! 👆

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, Pendleton said:

 

There is an ancient Pendletonian proverb that states 

A calm heart remains unbothered in spades 

Shut up or i'll club you on the ball diamond. 

(just needed to work both of the other suits in...)

[jaysblue]

14 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

And I didn't want to bet Clement, you're a pussy when it fits your narrative. Coward/Yella/Spine of Gelatin, etc....

I didn’t avoid betting Varsho because I don’t want to bet. It’s because I genuinely think he’s very likely to be above a 100 wRC+ in 2026. If that’s my view, why would I take the under?

Clement is different. I’m not very optimistic about his bat and don’t think his wRC+ clears 100. You do, which is why you took the over. That’s the bet - you’re backing an outcome you believe is realistic.

[BringBackTheODog]

23 hours ago, Carlos Danger said:

I admittedly have not looked at Okamoto's defensive metrics. However, I was listening to MLB radio all day when we signed him (when Bo might have still come back) and while he plays and can play 3B. He is supposedly not great on D and it would not be ideal. Akin to having Santander and Teo in the OF. If you are talking about a team that run prevention is equally paramount and that does not make a lot of errors, apparently,Okamoto is not the best choice at 3B.

I hear what you're saying and we'll get a better idea once we get into Spring Training. The indications I have gotten is it's not a Santander/Teo situation, just more of an average glove. He did win a couple GG's in Japan. For a team that prioritizes defensive profiles, I'm pretty confident they feel good about him being even an above-average glove at the hot corner. 

[ValiantJaysFan]

I really don’t know how some people on this forum have managed to not get banned for as long as they have lol

[Brownie19]

5 hours ago, jaysblue said:

I didn’t avoid betting Varsho because I don’t want to bet. It’s because I genuinely think he’s very likely to be above a 100 wRC+ in 2026. If that’s my view, why would I take the under?

Clement is different. I’m not very optimistic about his bat and don’t think his wRC+ clears 100. You do, which is why you took the over. That’s the bet - you’re backing an outcome you believe is realistic.

I'm with you on this one - you just said the proposed extension was not realistic, which can be true even if Varsho is >100 wRC+

He's just trying to bait you into another bet 🤣

[Spanky__99]

12 hours ago, jaysblue said:

I didn’t avoid betting Varsho because I don’t want to bet. It’s because I genuinely think he’s very likely to be above a 100 wRC+ in 2026. If that’s my view, why would I take the under?

Clement is different. I’m not very optimistic about his bat and don’t think his wRC+ clears 100. You do, which is why you took the over. That’s the bet - you’re backing an outcome you believe is realistic.

Never again.

 

[jaysblue]

12 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Never again.

 

Again, it's not that I don't want to make a friendly bet with you. I actually think Varsho surpasses 100 wRC+ in 2026, so why would I bet the under?

It's like the upcoming Super Bowl. I think Seattle is going to win, and you probably do as well. So if we did a friendly bet, where you took Seattle, why would I take New England if I feel like they can't win?

[JaysForever]

22 hours ago, BringBackTheODog said:

I hear what you're saying and we'll get a better idea once we get into Spring Training. The indications I have gotten is it's not a Santander/Teo situation, just more of an average glove. He did win a couple GG's in Japan. For a team that prioritizes defensive profiles, I'm pretty confident they feel good about him being even an above-average glove at the hot corner. 

I doubt that he could have won a couple of GGs in Japan and be horrible with the glove. I am not really worried.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Again, it's not that I don't want to make a friendly bet with you. I actually think Varsho surpasses 100 wRC+ in 2026, so why would I bet the under?

It's like the upcoming Super Bowl. I think Seattle is going to win, and you probably do as well. So if we did a friendly bet, where you took Seattle, why would I take New England if I feel like they can't win?

If I may, you set a bet with Spanky re: Clement having a wRC+ over 100.  Clement is projected to have a wRC+ of exactly 100, he's never had a wRC+ over 100 in a full season and his career wRC+ is only 87.  This bet heavily favors you.  If this were Vegas, there's definitely be odds involved in the bet.  But it's a message board and it's low stakes, so Spanky makes the bet anyway.

Spanky is proposing a 2nd bet.  It's very similar to the first that Varsho will have a wRC+ over 100.  Like Clement, Varsho is projected to have a wRC+ of exactly 100; however, in this case, he's coming off a 123 wRC+ season, he's had a wRC+ over 100 in 3 seasons (2 with less than a full slate of PA's) and his career wRC+ is 99.  This bet likely favors Spanky (slightly).  Again - it's a small value bet on a message board.  Even if you don't "think" Varsho will have a wRC+ under 100, it's still a bet you could conceivably make, especially when you have pretty good odds of winning the Clement bet.  This is kind of a guy code thing.  If you're that excited about winning $100 off Spanky (or whatever the bet was) - then be that guy and only agree to the Clement bet.  Just don't be surprised when Spanky (and/or others) scoffs at you for it.

[Spanky__99]

Someone gets it.

[rydermike]

Okamoto named to Japan WBC roster 

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

If I may, you set a bet with Spanky re: Clement having a wRC+ over 100.  Clement is projected to have a wRC+ of exactly 100, he's never had a wRC+ over 100 in a full season and his career wRC+ is only 87.  This bet heavily favors you.  If this were Vegas, there's definitely be odds involved in the bet.  But it's a message board and it's low stakes, so Spanky makes the bet anyway.

Spanky is proposing a 2nd bet.  It's very similar to the first that Varsho will have a wRC+ over 100.  Like Clement, Varsho is projected to have a wRC+ of exactly 100; however, in this case, he's coming off a 123 wRC+ season, he's had a wRC+ over 100 in 3 seasons (2 with less than a full slate of PA's) and his career wRC+ is 99.  This bet likely favors Spanky (slightly).  Again - it's a small value bet on a message board.  Even if you don't "think" Varsho will have a wRC+ under 100, it's still a bet you could conceivably make, especially when you have pretty good odds of winning the Clement bet.  This is kind of a guy code thing.  If you're that excited about winning $100 off Spanky (or whatever the bet was) - then be that guy and only agree to the Clement bet.  Just don't be surprised when Spanky (and/or others) scoffs at you for it.

I get the logic you’re laying out, and I don’t disagree with the projection context you’re using. Where I differ is that I’m not treating this like Vegas or a “guy code” obligation. I’m just not interested in making bets I don’t actually believe in.

With Clement, I genuinely think the under is the more likely outcome, which is why I was comfortable taking that bet. With Varsho, I don’t think the under is a realistic position for me given his track record and the type of player he is. Even if it’s technically “conceivable,” it’s not something I’d back in good faith.

I’m not excited about winning anything here. It’s a message board bet, not a payday. I’d rather just stick to wagers that reflect my actual views instead of balancing things out for optics. If that means only doing one bet, that’s fine with me.

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Someone gets it.

You're such a drama queen. 

I took the Clement bet because I believe in that outcome. You took the other side because you believe in the outcome that he goes over 100 wRC+. I’m not obligated to take every bet just to keep things “even.” No need to turn it into a whole thing.

[max silver]

17 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

You're such a drama queen. 

I took the Clement bet because I believe in that outcome. You took the other side because you believe in the outcome that he goes over 100 wRC+. I’m not obligated to take every bet just to keep things “even.” No need to turn it into a whole thing.

[Jimcanuck]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

If I may, you set a bet with Spanky re: Clement having a wRC+ over 100.  Clement is projected to have a wRC+ of exactly 100, he's never had a wRC+ over 100 in a full season and his career wRC+ is only 87.  This bet heavily favors you.  If this were Vegas, there's definitely be odds involved in the bet.  But it's a message board and it's low stakes, so Spanky makes the bet anyway.

Spanky is proposing a 2nd bet.  It's very similar to the first that Varsho will have a wRC+ over 100.  Like Clement, Varsho is projected to have a wRC+ of exactly 100; however, in this case, he's coming off a 123 wRC+ season, he's had a wRC+ over 100 in 3 seasons (2 with less than a full slate of PA's) and his career wRC+ is 99.  This bet likely favors Spanky (slightly).  Again - it's a small value bet on a message board.  Even if you don't "think" Varsho will have a wRC+ under 100, it's still a bet you could conceivably make, especially when you have pretty good odds of winning the Clement bet.  This is kind of a guy code thing.  If you're that excited about winning $100 off Spanky (or whatever the bet was) - then be that guy and only agree to the Clement bet.  Just don't be surprised when Spanky (and/or others) scoffs at you for it.

Nah, the Clement bet does not obligate Jaysblue to take the Varsho bet.

If Spanky wanted to even out his odds, he should have made a Varsho bet a condition of the Clement bet.  He did not, and he alone is responsible for his actions.