Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[Jays24]

Getting Bellinger would be great and would fit nicely in the 2 spot.  Sounds like Phillips is using logic of how we should be interested in Bellinger rather than knowing that we actually are. 

Worst case, it'd be nice to drive up the contract the Yankees pay him to prevent them from making more moves to get hall of famers like Grisham lol. 

[Stangstag]

5 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Outlining all your potential progressions while neglecting all the potential regressions is too homer of a take for me.  No one wanted Bo at 47M but its already been confirmed that we didnt even want Bo at the contract Philly offered at 7/200M.  

Obviously the Jays are still a good team without Bo but he is a difference maker on offense and would have been pretty good defensively at 2B.  The Jays took a step back offensively by losing him.  

A step back offensively, but a step forward defensively. Clement at 2B is objectively better than Bo with the glove.

I personally would’ve probably gone like 8/250 for Bo, but we really don’t know if he even wanted to come back here.

[Stangstag]

Also sometimes player just want the 1/2 year opt-out.

Bo probably still gets 200m next offseason in a weaker FA class, and he comes out of this ahead by 1yr/47m

[Dr. Dinger]

DH Springer

RF Bellinger

1B Guerrero

LF Santander

3B Okamoto

C Kirk

CF Varsho

2B Clement

SS Gimenez
 

This would be a sexy lineup with Barger/Santander/Okamoto platooning the hottest bats. Trade Lukes for a reliever or capable bench SS. 

[Sasky05]

28 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Outlining all your potential progressions while neglecting all the potential regressions is too homer of a take for me.  No one wanted Bo at 47M but its already been confirmed that we didnt even want Bo at the contract Philly offered at 7/200M.  

Obviously the Jays are still a good team without Bo but he is a difference maker on offense and would have been pretty good defensively at 2B.  The Jays took a step back offensively by losing him.  

We can agree to disagree, but fangraphs rates the Jays as the second highest projected war in the MLB, behind only the dodgers for 2026. Wanna argue that they aren't better than the 2025 team, bring some stats to back that up and we can discuss further. 

[Perfect Game]

I can't even with this guy! Like, how does one come to this conclusion?

 

[Jays24]

37 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

A step back offensively, but a step forward defensively. Clement at 2B is objectively better than Bo with the glove.

I personally would’ve probably gone like 8/250 for Bo, but we really don’t know if he even wanted to come back here.

Hard disagree.  Clement at 3B/Bo at 2B is better than Clement at 2B/Okamoto at 3B.  

Its been reported that Bo told everyone at his wedding that he wasn't coming back.  Now maybe Bo never wanted to comeback but it seems like the Jays didnt want him back at 7/200 from reports.

[Jays24]

14 minutes ago, Sasky05 said:

We can agree to disagree, but fangraphs rates the Jays as the second highest projected war in the MLB, behind only the dodgers for 2026. Wanna argue that they aren't better than the 2025 team, bring some stats to back that up and we can discuss further. 

Nowhere did I say the Jays arent still the best team in the AL.  Most of us were hoping we were going to become the Dodgers of the AL for a year at least. 

We were actually on the verge of doing that exactly until the Dodgers came over the top with an utterly stupid contract.  Bringing back Bo would have still achieved that but without him, the margin between us and other AL teams got much smaller.  

[Jays24]

19 minutes ago, Perfect Game said:

I can't even with this guy! Like, how does one come to this conclusion?

 

I have 0 hope or desire to pay Bellinger that contract.  Would be shocking if we gave that to him but didn't even offer a smaller contract to Bo.  

[Brownie19]

35 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Hard disagree.  Clement at 3B/Bo at 2B is better than Clement at 2B/Okamoto at 3B.  

There is absolutely no way this should be a "hard" disagree.  You have no idea how good Bo would be at 2nd, nor any idea how good Okamoto is defensively at 3rd.

[Sasky05]

3 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

There is absolutely no way this should be a "hard" disagree.  You have no idea how good Bo would be at 2nd, nor any idea how good Okamoto is defensively at 3rd.

I'm not gonna argue Jays 24 premise, although I agree with your rebuttal. The real point is that under the Bo scenario we'd be paying and extra $32M for 1 - 1.5 War, hardly a sensible investment in my opinion.

[Jays24]

10 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

There is absolutely no way this should be a "hard" disagree.  You have no idea how good Bo would be at 2nd, nor any idea how good Okamoto is defensively at 3rd.

Others seem to think we'd be better defensively without Bo so im allowed to think we'd be better with Bo.  I actually do think Bo's skillset would be above average at 2B and can agree i have no clue how Okamoto will be defensively at 3B lol

[Stangstag]

59 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Hard disagree.  Clement at 3B/Bo at 2B is better than Clement at 2B/Okamoto at 3B.  

Its been reported that Bo told everyone at his wedding that he wasn't coming back.  Now maybe Bo never wanted to comeback but it seems like the Jays didnt want him back at 7/200 from reports.

Brother we just don’t know enough about Okamoto’s defense at this point. And he would’ve been playing 3B anyways, even with Bo in the fold.

There’s no world in which Bo is an above-average defender at 2B. 

Clement/Bo vs Clement/Okamoto is probably a wash defensively.

But anyways, the argument was strictly about Bo at 2B. Clement is a better defender at 2B, period.

Keep bringing up more strawmen arguments lol

[L54]

4 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Long term for Belly would be a disaster IMO.  Probably the main sticking point with the Yankees.

Jim we were once the Belli Boys when nobody wanted him 

Since then he’s had seasons of 4.4, 2.1 and 4.9 WAR on a 3/80 contract 

Now we’re looking at 3/120 or 5/160 with a 2.5 WAR projection 

Now the Belli Boys exercising caution. Lesson in there 

[Rafters]

Luis Robert jr. To the mets

[Jays24]

Cant believe y'all turned on Bo so fast... would have expected more butt hurt folks that we didnt try harder to keep him.  We kept the guy at SS for his whole career when he clearly didnt belong there from the start and now he'll switch positions on another team.  Whyyyyyyyyyy lol

[leaffie]

I didn t think Bo wanted to be with T.O any longer.  If you watched him in the dugout the last two years, he always seemed to be alone.  Never quite part of the group.

just my opinion, and I havent turned on him,  but if you compare losing Halladay with losing Bo, there is no comparison.

i wish him luck, but he chose the Mets, not the Jays.

[L54]

1 hour ago, leaffie said:

I didn t think Bo wanted to be with T.O any longer.  If you watched him in the dugout the last two years, he always seemed to be alone.  Never quite part of the group.

just my opinion, and I havent turned on him,  but if you compare losing Halladay with losing Bo, there is no comparison.

i wish him luck, but he chose the Mets, not the Jays.

Bo has always given off the vibe that he is an individual first and foremost, dating back to his draft in 16 when he told teams he would not change his swing 

The guy who is quiet and does his own thing, the type of guy who doesn’t really latch on to one of the groups in the clubby. None of this is inherently bad and more acceptable the higher end player you are 

Him leaving doesn’t sting the way it would if Vlad left or even when EE left. Those guys are Blue Jays through and through. 

[jaysblue]

10 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Outlining all your potential progressions while neglecting all the potential regressions is too homer of a take for me.  No one wanted Bo at 47M but its already been confirmed that we didnt even want Bo at the contract Philly offered at 7/200M.  

Obviously the Jays are still a good team without Bo but he is a difference maker on offense and would have been pretty good defensively at 2B.  The Jays took a step back offensively by losing him.  

Offense took a step back? Bold. The cavalry is definitely en route.

[jaysblue]

The Jays will be fine defensively with Clement and Giménez holding down the middle infield - that’s not the concern. The gloves will play.

Offensively, replacing Bo’s bat is where the challenge is. Last year’s Jays lineup was built on high contact, low strikeouts, strong OBP, and consistent pressure rather than pure slug. They were among the league leaders in wRC+ (Top 5), contact rate and one of the lower-K lineups in MLB.

Starting both Giménez and Clement also creates the real possibility of a dark spot in the lineup if neither hits enough. You can survive one low-impact bat; stacking two makes it easier for opposing pitchers to navigate the order. 

Adding a bat like Cody Bellinger or someone with similar everyday impact would help keep the offense from losing too much of its edge and also provide more options when it comes to lineup sequencing and matchups. 

That said, this is still a good lineup even without Bo. The point is simply about covering all avenues and reducing risk, not panic.

 

[BTS]

I don't want Bellinger. Partly because I don't trust him to stay good, but mostly because I hate looking at his stupid, perma-fried looking face 

[Spanky__99]

11 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Outlining all your potential progressions while neglecting all the potential regressions is too homer of a take for me.  No one wanted Bo at 47M but its already been confirmed that we didnt even want Bo at the contract Philly offered at 7/200M.  

Obviously the Jays are still a good team without Bo but he is a difference maker on offense and would have been pretty good defensively at 2B.  The Jays took a step back offensively by losing him.  

Wait, what? Confirmed, lmao.

Tool.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Well Robert to the Mets means they’ve gotta be out on Bellinger. Starting to worry we’re getting him.

[Spanky__99]

8 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Cant believe y'all turned on Bo so fast... would have expected more butt hurt folks that we didnt try harder to keep him.  We kept the guy at SS for his whole career when he clearly didnt belong there from the start and now he'll switch positions on another team.  Whyyyyyyyyyy lol

Losing my fave guy sux man, but its move on time guy. Try it.

 

[Spanky__99]

48 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

The Jays will be fine defensively with Clement and Giménez holding down the middle infield - that’s not the concern. The gloves will play.

Offensively, replacing Bo’s bat is where the challenge is. Last year’s Jays lineup was built on high contact, low strikeouts, strong OBP, and consistent pressure rather than pure slug. They were among the league leaders in wRC+ (Top 5), contact rate and one of the lower-K lineups in MLB.

Starting both Giménez and Clement also creates the real possibility of a dark spot in the lineup if neither hits enough. You can survive one low-impact bat; stacking two makes it easier for opposing pitchers to navigate the order. 

Adding a bat like Cody Bellinger or someone with similar everyday impact would help keep the offense from losing too much of its edge and also provide more options when it comes to lineup sequencing and matchups. 

That said, this is still a good lineup even without Bo. The point is simply about covering all avenues and reducing risk, not panic.

 

LOL.. signing off Dr. Phil.... 🦤

[Spanky__99]

45 minutes ago, BTS said:

I don't want Bellinger. Partly because I don't trust him to stay good, but mostly because I hate looking at his stupid, perma-fried looking face 

Bob's Burger's bro.

 

[max silver]

12 hours ago, Sasky05 said:

I'm not gonna argue Jays 24 premise, although I agree with your rebuttal. The real point is that under the Bo scenario we'd be paying and extra $32M for 1 - 1.5 War, hardly a sensible investment in my opinion.

It would actually be more than an extra $32 million once you factor in the 90% luxury tax the Blue Jays would be paying.

[Jays24]

4 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Losing my fave guy sux man, but its move on time guy. Try it.

 

Its literally been a few days and we are getting more information coming out regarding his departure.  Sorry for reacting to it.  

Also, go check out the Bunkis interview with Bowden for more info on the Bo situation. Seems like you havent heard the new deets lol.

[Spanky__99]

9 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Its literally been a few days and we are getting more information coming out regarding his departure.  Sorry for reacting to it.  

Also, go check out the Bunkis interview with Bowden for more info on the Bo situation. Seems like you havent heard the new deets lol.

Why don't you link it, man?

Also, Bowden's a 🦤

[Jays24]

14 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Why don't you link it, man?

Also, Bowden's a 🦤

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/benefits-and-drawbacks-of-a-mlb-salary-cap-bichettes-decision-w-jim-bowden/

Bunkis also did an interview with Clement the same day, which was a cool listen.