Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[Eat My Shatkins]

If/when they sign or trade for another starter you just move Lauer to the pen again as the long man and 6th starter. Easy peasy. Berrios contract sucks but performance wise his floor is basically a 1 WAR #5 starter and if you get a bounce back it's gravy.

 

If they trade for Marte, I'd rather land Tucker than retain Bo.

 

DH Springer (R)

2B - Marte (S)

1B - Vlad (R)

RF - Tucker (L)

C - Kirk (R)

LF - Santander (S)

CF - Varsho (L)

3B - Clement (R) / Barger (L)

SS - Giminez (L)

 

nom nom nom nom nom nom

[Eat My Shatkins]

5 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

hAvE you CoNsIdErEd mAkInG bEtTeR pOsTs

 

stfu, literally posted a TSN article and an opinion that makes complete sense and the usual suspects are gatekeeping with their bAsEbALl kNoWlEdGe.

 

why tf would the team allocate money to an infielder unless Bo was leaving when our infield is already completely filled and we need pitching more than anything else? They wouldn’t. 

But let’s all rip anyone with an opinion, it’s not like this is a message board meant for them or anything.

If the Jays are checking on Marte it's just a baseball FO doing it's due diligence.

 

Doesn't neccessarily mean Bo is gone, just means they aren't sure yet and need to have other options available to them if he does leave. Or yeah, it could also mean they know he's gone and are searching for replacements. 

[Jays24]

57 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Man you guys are *******s, you can't say anything around here without some pretentious twat responding. Makes you not want to even post.

Just ignore most of them... there's a click that always has each other's back here regardless of the comment.  Ive been dealing with it for several years lol

[max silver]

6 hours ago, Laika said:

They projected as a fringe playoff team and he gave them 0.4 WAR, I think they were hoping to get 2 WAR and he might be a standings difference maker. That he ended up providing two good playoff starts is random dumb luck but yes it had value so in a sense it kind of worked out. 

And every other SP in the bucket last offseason other than JV was a total flop. Morton, Cobb, Buehler... Sugano... just looking at the 1 year geezers who got around $15M. 

Why do you keep referring to Scherzer's playoff success as "random dumb luck"? He finally managed to get the thumb issue under control in time for the post season and he proved that he was still able to be an effective starter, there was nothing random about it.

[BTS]

1 hour ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Man you guys are *******s, you can't say anything around here without some pretentious twat responding. Makes you not want to even post.

You need to just not give a f*** and roll with it 

[BTS]

9 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Just ignore most of them... there's a click that always has each other's back here regardless of the comment.  Ive been dealing with it for several years lol

To be fair, you often make bad posts though 

[Jays24]

25 minutes ago, BTS said:

To be fair, you often make bad posts though 

To be fair, I have enough people who agree with my posts except the usuals like that person said.  Its like you guys have tried to safeguard this forum from others joining by "bullying" them. 

Ive seen you delete numerous posts trying to protect a few of those regulars and give out warnings/bans to others for a lot less.  Ill continue making bad posts and you can continue being a bad mod lol.  

[Omar]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

huh?  Bieber, Yesavage, Lauer, Berrios?

Bieber off of tj...TBD

Yesavage....great so far but sss

Berrios....don't need to say anything 

Lauer....ok, maybe 

[Orgfiller]

24 minutes ago, max silver said:

Why do you keep referring to Scherzer's playoff success as "random dumb luck"? He finally managed to get the thumb issue under control in time for the post season and he proved that he was still able to be an effective starter, there was nothing random about it.

The sample size is pretty small, but he had a 5.58 FIP in the playoffs on the back of an 11:6 K/BB over 14 IP with 3 bombs given up. Call it vetrin presents and "playoff experience grittiness" all you want, but if it happened on any other team you'd probably say that Max got pretty lucky to not be shelled. Obviously it worked out for us and I'll remember his playoff run fondly, but easy to see how this could have gone sideways with worse sequencing luck.

[Laika]

24 minutes ago, max silver said:

Why do you keep referring to Scherzer's playoff success as "random dumb luck"? He finally managed to get the thumb issue under control in time for the post season and he proved that he was still able to be an effective starter, there was nothing random about it.

You can spin any narrative you want around three games 

He had a 5.58 FIP and 5.44 xFIP in the playoffs. This isn't rocket science. 

[JaysForever]

3 minutes ago, Omar said:

Bieber off of tj...TBD

Yesavage....great so far but sss

Berrios....don't need to say anything 

Lauer....ok, maybe 

I assume they will sign at least one starter.

[Pendleton]

41 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

hAvE you CoNsIdErEd mAkInG bEtTeR pOsTs

 

stfu, literally posted a TSN article and an opinion that makes complete sense and the usual suspects are gatekeeping with their bAsEbALl kNoWlEdGe.

 

why tf would the team allocate money to an infielder unless Bo was leaving when our infield is already completely filled and we need pitching more than anything else? They wouldn’t. 

But let’s all rip anyone with an opinion, it’s not like this is a message board meant for them or anything.

 

I do think acquiring Marte would very likely negate the need to bring back Bo, and we could then use Bo's allotted salary elsewhere. Unless one of them is moving to 3B I guess. 

 

However, at this point I also don't believe that checking in on Marte would necessarily mean that we are sure Bo is gone. The Bo situation could still conceivably be very much up in the air and they are merely exploring all opportunities to add high end talent 

[jaysblue]

As for Verlander, we already know what he's packing. You want a guy like that pitching in a Game 7 with the season on the line. 

[Brownie19]

9 minutes ago, Omar said:

Bieber off of tj...TBD

Yesavage....great so far but sss

Berrios....don't need to say anything 

Lauer....ok, maybe 

I fully agree that Jays should continue to look to add to the rotation for the reasons you note, plus the reality that Gaus, Bieber and Lauer are set to become free agents after the 2026 season.

But - despite the inherent "risks" with the current rotation, it's really not in terrible shape.  That's all I was saying.

[Brownie19]

27 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

To be fair, I have enough people who agree with my posts except the usuals like that person said.  Its like you guys have tried to safeguard this forum from others joining by "bullying" them. 

Ive seen you delete numerous posts trying to protect a few of those regulars and give out warnings/bans to others for a lot less.  Ill continue making bad posts and you can continue being a bad mod lol.  

C'mon man.  Nobody is bullying anyone.  

The Jays "checking in" on Marte is simply them doing their job and collecting information.  It doesn't mean Bo is gone, nor should they wait until they finish negotiations with Bo to inquire about Marte. 

I just pointed that out and others reiterated it after ValiantJaysFan doubled down to suggest it's unnecessary (which I still don't get - what is the harm in gathering information on Marte again?  Unless you think we're wasting resources or don't have the man power to do such a thing - I don't get it).

Nobody was tarred and feathered, nobody was bullied - the board simply provided a pretty logical answer/response to the original question that was asked.

ValiantJaysFan - I'm confused as to why you're so upset.  I meant no harm with my response - and perhaps I could have phased it better. You're completely welcome here friend. 

[BTS]

21 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

To be fair, I have enough people who agree with my posts except the usuals like that person said.  Its like you guys have tried to safeguard this forum from others joining by "bullying" them. 

Ive seen you delete numerous posts trying to protect a few of those regulars and give out warnings/bans to others for a lot less.  Ill continue making bad posts and you can continue being a bad mod lol.  

Example of a bad post IMHO TBQH

[BTS]

Easton Lucas released and going overseas 

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Just ignore most of them... there's a click that always has each other's back here regardless of the comment.  Ive been dealing with it for several years lol

Maybe because you’re a flippant whiner

[Stangstag]

53 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

As for Verlander, we already know what he's packing. You want a guy like that pitching in a Game 7 with the season on the line. 

No i absolutely do not

[G-Snarls]

What would it take to get JoJo Romero from the Cardinals. 

Mlbtr reporting on him 

Only 1 year control only left but we could use another good leverage lefty out of the pen 

[ValiantJaysFan]

45 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

C'mon man.  Nobody is bullying anyone.  

The Jays "checking in" on Marte is simply them doing their job and collecting information.  It doesn't mean Bo is gone, nor should they wait until they finish negotiations with Bo to inquire about Marte. 

I just pointed that out and others reiterated it after ValiantJaysFan doubled down to suggest it's unnecessary (which I still don't get - what is the harm in gathering information on Marte again?  Unless you think we're wasting resources or don't have the man power to do such a thing - I don't get it).

Nobody was tarred and feathered, nobody was bullied - the board simply provided a pretty logical answer/response to the original question that was asked.

ValiantJaysFan - I'm confused as to why you're so upset.  I meant no harm with my response - and perhaps I could have phased it better. You're completely welcome here friend. 

Wasn’t pointing at you specifically, but a bunch of the usuals pile on with their crap enough times that I fully expect every single post to result in a stupid argument. 
 

All I said was if they’re trying to acquire another infielder it likely means they don’t think they’re signing Bo. Really don’t understand why these holier than thou goofs that think they’re Bill James and know more than the average fan, have to pile on. I wouldn’t call it bullying but I would call it being a dick. 

[JaysForever]

Marte can also play SS and CF so who knows what would be the plan.

Gimenez and Varhso are not going anywhere as far as I can tell. So Marte to 2B and Bo goes elsewhere is the most likely scenario.

If they somehow get Marte and Bo, then I am not sure what kind of musical chairs happen.

[Stangstag]

49 minutes ago, JaysForever said:

Marte can also play SS and CF so who knows what would be the plan.

Gimenez and Varhso are not going anywhere as far as I can tell. So Marte to 2B and Bo goes elsewhere is the most likely scenario.

If they somehow get Marte and Bo, then I am not sure what kind of musical chairs happen.

Marte is a better fit for the lineup ayways, for what its worth. Although i think it would be nice to keep Bo/Vlad as the core of the franchise. 

I dont think i’d go much over 200m for Bo. If some team wants to give him 250+ i’d be totally fine with a pivot to Marte + a topline starter or something along those lines.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Marte and then Tucker with deferred money to lower the luxury tax hit.

Would leave plenty of money to sign a good SP and leverage BP arm, like Imai and Suarez.

DH - Springer (R)
2B - Marte (S)
1B - Vlad (R)
RF - Tucker (L)
C - Kirk (R)
CF - Varsho (L)
LF  Santander (S)
3B - Barger (L)
SS - Giminez (L)

Bench - Heineman, Clement, Lukes, Straw

SP1 - Gausman
SP2 - Bieber
SP3 - Yesavage
SP4 - Imai
SP5 - Berrios

Depth - Francis, Tiedemann, Macko, Estrada, Bloss (eventually)

CL - Suarez
SU - Hoffman
SU - Garcia
MR - Varland
MR - Fluharty
MR - Fisher
MR - Little
LR - Lauer

Depth - Nance, Bruihl, Rodriguez, Schultz, etc

[Stangstag]

1 minute ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Marte and then Tucker with deferred money to lower the luxury tax hit.

Would leave plenty of money to sign a good SP and leverage BP arm, like Imai and Suarez.

DH - Springer (R)
2B - Marte (S)
1B - Vlad (R)
RF - Tucker (L)
C - Kirk (R)
CF - Varsho (L)
CF  Santander (S)
3B - Barger (L)
SS - Giminez (L)

Bench - Heineman, Clement, Lukes, Straw

SP1 - Gausman
SP2 - Bieber
SP3 - Yesavage
SP4 - Imai
SP5 - Berrios

Depth - Francis, Tiedemann, Macko, Estrada, Bloss (eventually)

CL - Suarez
SU - Hoffman
SU - Garcia
MR - Varland
MR - Fluharty
MR - Fisher
MR - Little
LR - Lauer

Depth - Nance, Bruihl, Rodriguez, Schultz, etc

Pipe dream but I like it. Also surprised you think Santander can manage CF

[Eat My Shatkins]

Just now, Stangstag said:

Pipe dream but I like it. Also surprised you think Santander can manage CF

He's a secret weapon out there.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

What would it take to get JoJo Romero from the Cardinals. 

Mlbtr reporting on him 

Only 1 year control only left but we could use another good leverage lefty out of the pen 

I can't imagine it would take much?  His ERA was good last year, but nothing else looks particularly good.  He's been below replacement level in 3 of the last 5 years.  This will be controversial, but I'm not sure he's actually an upgrade over Little or Flu - unless Petey thinks he can unlock something.  I guess the Stuff+ isn't bad?

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Wasn’t pointing at you specifically, but a bunch of the usuals pile on with their crap enough times that I fully expect every single post to result in a stupid argument. 
 

All I said was if they’re trying to acquire another infielder it likely means they don’t think they’re signing Bo. Really don’t understand why these holier than thou goofs that think they’re Bill James and know more than the average fan, have to pile on. I wouldn’t call it bullying but I would call it being a dick. 

All good man.  I think you're just downplaying the value of information.  If the Jays believe they have a shot at Marte at a reasonable price, then that could influence their negotiations with Bo.  If Bo's asking for too much, they know they can pivot.

You're going to hear that the Jays are kicking the tires with all kinds of players this offseason.  Don't read too much into it.  I don't think kicking the tires on Marte indicates anything about the possibility of Bo resigning or not.  I think we all want a FO that is out there asking questions, gathering information and getting a feel for what options they may have.  I fully suspect that's what Atkins is doing with Marte.

[DonJays]

1 hour ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Wasn’t pointing at you specifically, but a bunch of the usuals pile on with their crap enough times that I fully expect every single post to result in a stupid argument. 
 

All I said was if they’re trying to acquire another infielder it likely means they don’t think they’re signing Bo. Really don’t understand why these holier than thou goofs that think they’re Bill James and know more than the average fan, have to pile on. I wouldn’t call it bullying but I would call it being a dick. 

You made an odd comment and people pointed that out. Not a big deal lol 

[rydermike]

Marte would be nice, but what would the acquisition cost be. I think it might be better to just go with Bo. It just costs money and maintains continuity, etc plus no losses to roster/prospect pool