Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[jmomcc]

4 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

To be fair, regression to the mean could have you believe that Bo could very well work himself back into shape, and return to his "bad but good enough because he's a shortstop" defensive value. Naturally the projections don't have all the information available. Bo is entering his age 28 season, and this isn't normally where you'd expect defensive utility to fall off a cliff.

The Varsho projection on the other hand, makes absolutely no sense. Has to be an error in the inputs.

Clement as well has a pretty bad one compared to this year. 

[R.O.]

I think the move to 2b for Bo will help his fWAR

[Terminator]

I'm going to get tarred and feathered for this, BUT if Bo REALLY wants to stay at SS and it makes the difference in signing here or not I'd tell him he can have SS for the upcoming season but nothing is guaranteed beyond that.

You guys are going to hate this, but in theory, whatever is to be gained by Bo moving from SS (poor defense) to 2B (solid) is probably negated by whatever is lost from Gimenez moving from 2B (god-like) to SS (above average). In other words, it's kind of a zero sum game and probably doesn't matter that much.

[Jimcanuck]

14 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I'm going to get tarred and feathered for this, BUT if Bo REALLY wants to stay at SS and it makes the difference in signing here or not I'd tell him he can have SS for the upcoming season but nothing is guaranteed beyond that.

You guys are going to hate this, but in theory, whatever is to be gained by Bo moving from SS (poor defense) to 2B (solid) is probably negated by whatever is lost from Gimenez moving from 2B (god-like) to SS (above average). In other words, it's kind of a zero sum game and probably doesn't matter that much.

Horrible idea

[Terminator]

2 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Horrible idea

Anytime Jim disagrees you know you are on the right track👍

[Vancouverite]

On 11/16/2025 at 10:10 AM, Jimcanuck said:

Clement is good with the glove, no doubt, and it would be missed.  His bat is below average and projected to continue to be.

He BABIP'ed his way to great postseason numbers.

Alcantara >>> Clement.

 

I dont know man I wouldnt say >>>>>>>>

Clement has come off two straight 2-3 WAR seasons

Sandy was pretty bad last year, and not very good the year before. He throws hard but, his fastball gets hit hard.

Not much I see there that there's some sort of silver lining that Sandy can regain his Cy form. 

His vs LHB vs RHB split is also very concerning. Walks lefties at the double rate and his k% plummets. 

[thatoneguy]

Keep Clement, players like him are extremely useful and he seems to be a big plus in the clubhouse. Idk why you would think to get rid of him.

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Vancouverite said:

I dont know man I wouldnt say >>>>>>>>

Clement has come off two straight 2-3 WAR seasons

Sandy was pretty bad last year, and not very good the year before. He throws hard but, his fastball gets hit hard.

Not much I see there that there's some sort of silver lining that Sandy can regain his Cy form. 

His vs LHB vs RHB split is also very concerning. Walks lefties at the double rate and his k% plummets. 

He was bad in the first half with command issues last year, it usually happens with pitchers coming off TJS, his 2nd half was very good and a sign of things to come, IMO.

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, thatoneguy said:

Keep Clement, players like him are extremely useful and he seems to be a big plus in the clubhouse. Idk why you would think to get rid of him.

That was only one dumn-dumn, jimmyC is wrong on this one. It would just open a hole, if Toronto were to trade for Alcantara, it'd be with prospect capital.

[G-Snarls]

9 minutes ago, thatoneguy said:

Keep Clement, players like him are extremely useful and he seems to be a big plus in the clubhouse. Idk why you would think to get rid of him.

Agree 

I don't think you'd get enough in return to make up for his absence 

[thatoneguy]

17 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

That was only one dumn-dumn, jimmyC is wrong on this one. It would just open a hole, if Toronto were to trade for Alcantara, it'd be with prospect capital.

Not only one hole, but potentially multiple over the course of the season when you don't have his defense available at several positions.

[Jimcanuck]

34 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

That was only one dumn-dumn, jimmyC is wrong on this one. It would just open a hole, if Toronto were to trade for Alcantara, it'd be with prospect capital.

If Bo is resigned per my original post, then Jays have room to trade from their IF group.

Smart teams have no untouchables.

[saskjayfan]

4 hours ago, Terminator said:

I'm going to get tarred and feathered for this, BUT if Bo REALLY wants to stay at SS and it makes the difference in signing here or not I'd tell him he can have SS for the upcoming season but nothing is guaranteed beyond that.

You guys are going to hate this, but in theory, whatever is to be gained by Bo moving from SS (poor defense) to 2B (solid) is probably negated by whatever is lost from Gimenez moving from 2B (god-like) to SS (above average). In other words, it's kind of a zero sum game and probably doesn't matter that much.

Totally agree and if Bo just loses some weight in the off season his defense should be better next year!  Bo had an interesting 2nd half and post season.  I'm not sure if it's sustainable, but his plate discipline was more league avg in the 2nd half instead of the usual 5th percentile.  He hit .370/.423/.566 in the second half and then took 4 walks in the world series out of 27 PA.  Like if Bo can have league avg plate discipline he's a .900 OPS bat. 

[Spanky__99]

27 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

If Bo is resigned per my original post, then Jays have room to trade from their IF group.

Smart teams have no untouchables.

Championship teams have great depth, meat.

[Jimcanuck]

20 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Championship teams have great depth, meat.

Yeah and right now the starting ptching has little depth, meat.

Bo, Gimenez, Schneider, with Jimenez in Buffalo, plus whatever replacement level MIF the Jays sign as additional depth is fine.

Right now Berrios and Lauer are #4 and #5, with very little depth behind them.

FO has already said they are exploring the trade market, meat.

 

[thatoneguy]

Just now, Jimcanuck said:

Yeah and right now the pitching has little depth, meat.

Unless you get an offer you literally cannot refuse, Clement is not the player you trade to acquire pitching depth.

[Spanky__99]

14 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Yeah and right now the starting ptching has little depth, meat.

Bo, Gimenez, Schneider, with Jimenez in Buffalo, plus whatever replacement level MIF the Jays sign as additional depth is fine.

Right now Berrios and Lauer are #4 and #5, with very little depth behind them.

FO has already said they are exploring the trade market, meat.

 

[G-Snarls]

We have the huge advantage that Barger and Clement can both play OF too 

We have two very good multiposition players there - one who bats left and one who bats right 

Love it 

Great platoon options. Great injury backups.  

Let's keep them all and add a SP and closer via free agency. 

[Jimcanuck]

5 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

We have the huge advantage that Barger and Clement can both play OF too 

 

We have two very good multiposition players there - one who bats left and one who bats right 

Love it 

Great platoon options. Great injury backups.  

Let's keep them all and add a SP and closer via free agency. 

So then don't sign Bo?

Signing Bo and a free agent SP and closer very unlikely.

[G-Snarls]

3 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

So then don't sign Bo?

Signing Bo and free agent SP and closer very unlikely.

Any SP we trade for is likely going to be making free agent $$ already. No one is trading us a cost controlled SP for a package that we're willing to give up. 

[Jimcanuck]

Just now, G-Snarls said:

Any SP we trade for is likely going to be making free agent $$ already. No one is trading us a cost controlled SP for a package that we're willing to give up. 

Alcantara $11.7M AAV.  Relatively cheap.

[Eat My Shatkins]

29 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Yeah and right now the starting ptching has little depth, meat.

Bo, Gimenez, Schneider, with Jimenez in Buffalo, plus whatever replacement level MIF the Jays sign as additional depth is fine.

Right now Berrios and Lauer are #4 and #5, with very little depth behind them.

FO has already said they are exploring the trade market, meat.

 

....yeah and there are better ways to add to the SP depth than trading for it and weakening the IF depth.

That's the point. Why trade Clement for SP depth when he's a big part of what the Jays do when they can just sign it in free agency or trade from the prospect pool to acquire it?

[G-Snarls]

2 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Alcantara $11.7M AAV.  Relatively cheap.

AAV is irrelevant here

He's making 17 and 21 the next 2 seasons 

[Jimcanuck]

Just now, Eat My Shatkins said:

....yeah and there are better ways to add to the SP depth than trading for it and weakening the IF depth.

That's the point. Why trade Clement for SP depth when he's a big part of what the Jays do when they can just sign it free agency or trade from the prospect pool to acquire it?

Gotta give up something to get something.

Maybe the Jays have the prospect pieces to get Alcantara.  If so Im all for it

[Jimcanuck]

3 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

AAV is irrelevant here

He's making 17 and 21 the next 2 seasons 

So he should be cheaper to get than I thought

[Eat My Shatkins]

5 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Gotta give up something to get something.

Maybe the Jays have the prospect pieces to get Alcantara.  If so Im all for it

For sure, but it'd be better (in my opinion) to give up something other than Clement to get Alcantara if he's available. If that won't work, then just give up the money it takes to bring in a free agent starter.

 

They should be keeping this team intact and adding to it, not robbing peter to pay paul.

[Omar]

1 hour ago, Jimcanuck said:

 

Smart teams have no untouchables.

I think this is true, but in theory only. We all have to admit that part of the Jays success in 2025 was the team make up or chemistry.  Hard to precisely quantify intangibles but there was something there and from all reports Clement was smack dab right in the middle of it. Clement's value to the team versus his salary is remarkabley high so you wouldn't gain much by trading him but you may lose an awful lot.  You can't break up the band yet Jim. The Jays have to run it back.  If the next iteration of the team fails, well as you said, no untouchables.  It's just business after all. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

The bullpen is interesting to me. Since the start of the off season they've lost quite a bit of the depth. It is a little concerning.

Burr, Tate and Sandlin all out righted and gone to free agency.

Yimi coming back but is 35 and missed 3/4 of last season.

Yariel, Little and Fisher all got progressively worse as the season went on and Little will likely have confidence issues after what happened to him in the post season.

I'm sure they'll bring in some good arms to help depth wise, or maybe they have a few in house already. 

Still though, I'd love to see them bring in a couple good leverage arms if they are going to spend. Suarez 2x30 and Fairbanks 2x16 would look really good on paper. And if Yimi comes back strong the back end of that BP could be killer.

 

CL - Suarez

SU8 - Fairbanks

SU7 - Hoffman

MR - Garcia

MR - Varland

MR - Flu (L)

MR - Little (L)

Fisher, Rodriguez, Bruihl, etc

[Perfect Game]

22 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

So then don't sign Bo?

Signing Bo and a free agent SP and closer very unlikely.

I don't understand why people keep saying this. There's tonnes of money coming off the books next year & following years. They made hundreds of millions of dollars during the playoff run. There's literally no reason the can't afford Bo, Tucker, SP 1 & 2 & a couple of relievers. It's not like they won't keep making money by going to the playoffs. FA class is pretty ass next year so load up this year, Add a reliever or two next year if needed.

[Jimcanuck]

2 minutes ago, Perfect Game said:

There's literally no reason the can't afford Bo, Tucker, SP 1 & 2 & a couple of relievers.

What?  Sure they could sign all that, but they won't.  It's a business, and Rogers has given Shatkins budget parameters.  And what you suggest isn't happening.