Red Sox (Giolito) vs Blue Jays (Gausman): 9/23/25, 7:07pm

[G-Snarls]

I mean I'd rather have Bo back than Santander if I can't have both 

[G-Snarls]

8 minutes ago, glory said:

Yeah this team is unapologetically obsessed with defense, so the outfield corners being George and Tony for playoff games is probably not something they have any intention of doing if Bo has to DH. Not sure what they do with Santander in that scenario though. If they feel he's not going to help them this season but he feels ready to go, then it's going to be a tough situation. 

They're having flashbacks of Teoscar Hernandez and Gurriel Jr on the corners

[Stangstag]

4 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Keeping Loperfido around isnt worth not seeing the potential game changing bat Santandar can be.  Please dont screw this up and kill the positive mojo we got going heading into the playoffs. 

Again though, you'd be hard-pressed to justify having Springer and Santander in the corners over guys like Lukes, Schneider, etc.

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, Stangstag said:

Again though, you'd be hard-pressed to justify having Springer and Santander in the corners over guys like Lukes, Schneider, etc.

Worst case, Santandar presents as a much better pinch hitting option if you need a HR or just some injury option for Bo/Springer.  You have committed longterm to Santandar so you dont want to screw this up man.  

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, glory said:

No Tony Taters. Disappointing. 

That's a puzzling decision, tomorrow I guess, and it is disappointing. Dude's been hitting missiles the last few weeks in Buffalo.

[glory]

14 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I wonder if they've discussed a bench/part-time role with him and he flat out refused. Gotta think he'd be valuable off the bench at the very least.

I guess it depends on what they thought of his rehab assignment. Aside from the 45 minute home run trot he had, not sure if anything else stood out. If they didn't like the way he looked (EV, bat speed, etc), then it would certainly be defensible to prefer Lukes/Schneider in the OF for the playoffs right now. From an upside standpoint I'd rather have Santander out there (one trick pony but that one trick is super important in October) but which Santander we are going to get in 2025 is the question. The one we saw playing through pain earlier in the season was one of the worst players in the game.

Would still rather see him in the lineup though.

[Stangstag]

5 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Worst case, Santandar presents as a much better pinch hitting option if you need a HR or just some injury option for Bo/Springer.  You have committed longterm to Santandar so you dont want to screw this up man.  

Right and as i mentioned before... maybe Santander is insulted to not be given a full-time roll coming back, and maybe that has caused a bit of friction.

I do agree he'd be a great option off the bench

[Jays24]

4 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Right and as i mentioned before... maybe Santander is insulted to not be given a full-time roll coming back, and maybe that has caused a bit of friction.

I do agree he'd be a great option off the bench

They should be giving him full time ABs with the 6 games remaining and then decide whats best for the playoffs when Bo comes back.  This was a straight forward decision given how we've seen the Jays offense struggle once Bo went down.  If this blows up, it'll look stupid on the Jays management part.  

[Spanky__99]

Lets wait till tomorrow before we go jumping off cliffs, but Santander's batted ball EV's were off the charts, it isn't about how he performed in Buffalo, very puzzling though. Like optioning Loperfido, designate someone like Tate for now and play the f*cking guy. Santander >>> France, man.

 

[Spanky__99]

It could be something as simple as they had a scheduled day for Springer to be off his feet tonight to DH.

[max silver]

Just now, Spanky__99 said:

Lets wait till tomorrow before we go jumping off cliffs, but Santander's batted ball EV's were off the charts, it isn't about how he performed in Buffalo, very puzzling though. Like optioning Loperfido, designate someone like Tate for now and play the f*cking guy. Santander >>> France, man.

 

Unfortunately that's not really true as he averaged only 84.4 MPH exit velocity and depressing 26.9% hard hit rate while in Buffalo. I'd like to see how his swing speeds looked as they were largely reduced to his healthy seasons prior to joining the Blue Jays.

[Terminator]

18 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

They should be giving him full time ABs with the 6 games remaining and then decide whats best for the playoffs when Bo comes back.  This was a straight forward decision given how we've seen the Jays offense struggle once Bo went down.  If this blows up, it'll look stupid on the Jays management part.  

I wonder if they feel that:

• the division race isn't locked up yet;
• their internal scouting/data isn't great on Taters; therefore,
• they aren't comfortable letting him audition for a playoff spot when the games are so important right now. 

If that's the case, it would be nice if we could effectively wrap the division up ASAP so we can get a look at Taters. 

[Stangstag]

8 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I wonder if they feel that:

• the division race isn't locked up yet;
• their internal scouting/data isn't great on Taters; therefore,
• they aren't comfortable letting him audition for a playoff spot when the games are so important right now. 

If that's the case, it would be nice if we could effectively wrap the division up ASAP so we can get a look at Taters. 

I just find it hard to believe he wouldn't help us more than France has, and France got quite a few starts over the last few weeks.

[Spanky__99]

15 minutes ago, max silver said:

Unfortunately that's not really true as he averaged only 84.4 MPH exit velocity and depressing 26.9% hard hit rate while in Buffalo. I'd like to see how his swing speeds looked as they were largely reduced to his healthy seasons prior to joining the Blue Jays.

How about in the last 3 weeks? Cause on the minor league recaps I seen massive EV hit balls lately. His hit tool will always suck, but he takes walks and murders baseballs, I'll take that all day, twice on Sundays thank you very much. France has one extra base hit since August... W00F!!!

[Stangstag]

4 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

How about in the last 3 weeks? Cause on the minor league recaps I seen massive EV hit balls lately. His hit tool will always suck, but he takes walks and murders baseballs, I'll take that all day, twice on Sundays thank you very much. France has one extra base hit since August... W00F!!!

To me the only question here is can you fit all 3 of Tony/Springer/Bo into the lineup? And that doesn't need to be adressed until Bo is ready to go.

I don't see why Tony and Springer can't split DH/OF for the remaining 6 games.

[Jonn]

I wonder if it’s not just a Baseball related issue and more of a character issue. It’s pure speculation on my part but him coming up and atleast putting him on the bench seems like a no brainer. Whether it’s Loperfido or France seems like an easy move to make. But 10 rehab games and no instant activation is bizarre.

They probably told him he wouldn’t be starting and he responded poorly to it. Only thing that makes sense. They definitely don’t want to downgrade the Defense, And Springer has been extremely comfortable DHing. He doesn’t have a clear spot outside of pinch hitting.

[Spanky__99]

Anyhow... as I always say, Lets win the series Birds, or maybe a little bit of this would be tastier... GO JAYS GO!!!

[Spanky__99]

5 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

To me the only question here is can you fit all 3 of Tony/Springer/Bo into the lineup? And that doesn't need to be adressed until Bo is ready to go.

I don't see why Tony and Springer can't split DH/OF for the remaining 6 games.

Of course, but his bat is valuable in the playoffs, even if it's off the bench. France and IKF can go piss up a rope for the postseason.

[Wake n bake]

Never been a fan of santander since he came here but even not liking him I know he’s gotta be a better bat off the bench than ikf and France for sure, wish we had more details lol 

[Masterbather]

Something certainly feels off in the Santander situation. 

Reading between the lines, I get the sense that this is like the Spencer Turnbull thing. 

It never felt like they really wanted Spencer on the roster, it didn't feel like they were convinced of his readiness but they kind of had no choice because time ran out.

I wonder if they just feel like their current outfield situation and roster flexibility is worth more than what they see from Santander in his rehab.

[Omar]

I don't think the Santander issue is one of that he feels insulted in taking a lesser bench role. From all accounts that I am aware of he was a pretty stand up guy for his years in Baltimore. Everyone spoke highly of him teammate wise. 

[max silver]

38 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

How about in the last 3 weeks? Cause on the minor league recaps I seen massive EV hit balls lately. His hit tool will always suck, but he takes walks and murders baseballs, I'll take that all day, twice on Sundays thank you very much. France has one extra base hit since August... W00F!!!

Santander didn't start his rehab stint until September 11. I had a look at a bunch of the AAA Statcast box scores and his average exit velocity and hard hit rates match up with the overall Statcast search result I posted earlier. Most games have 0 or 1 hard hit balls with a bunch of soft contact mixed in. There are certainly some barreled baseballs and the walk rate is excellent but there's not a lot to indicate he's going to come up and mash against MLB pitching. His batted ball metrics are pretty uninspiring as well as he's placed the ball on the ground 50% of the time with a weak 27% fly ball. Further compounding the issue is a staggering 57% pop up rate on his fly balls so it's easy to conclude that his swing isn't where it needs to be yet.

[Masterbather]

4 minutes ago, Omar said:

I don't think the Santander issue is one of that he feels insulted in taking a lesser bench role. From all accounts that I am aware of he was a pretty stand up guy for his years in Baltimore. Everyone spoke highly of him teammate wise. 

True but, did we ever find out what that weird clearly unhappy home run trot was all about? 

[Omar]

5 minutes ago, max silver said:

Santander didn't start his rehab stint until September 11. I had a look at a bunch of the AAA Statcast box scores and his average exit velocity and hard hit rates match up with the overall Statcast search result I posted earlier. Most games have 0 or 1 hard hit balls with a bunch of soft contact mixed in. There are certainly some barreled baseballs and the walk rate is excellent but there's not a lot to indicate he's going to come up and mash against MLB pitching. His batted ball metrics are pretty uninspiring as well as he's placed the ball on the ground 50% of the time with a weak 27% fly ball. Further compounding the issue is a staggering 57% pop up rate on his fly balls so it's easy to conclude that his swing isn't where it needs to be yet.

How many ab's do those percentages represent?

[Omar]

2 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

True but, did we ever find out what that weird clearly unhappy home run trot was all about? 

Inconsequential now, is it not?

[Masterbather]

Just now, Omar said:

Inconsequential now, is it not?

I don't know, if it's related to his unhappiness with the team then it's potentially a consequential signal that all is not well behind the scenes.

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, Omar said:

How many ab's do those percentages represent?

Only 38 PA so it's small sample size stuff to be certain.

[jerb]

 

[jaysthebest]

Manoah dfa???

[Masterbather]

5 minutes ago, jerb said:

 

Ty with the sudden and mysterious oblique inflammation. 

Like like that may be the end of Ty France.

Curious to see how they deploy Santander.