Astros (Alexander) vs Blue Jays (Berrios): 9/10/25, 7:07pm

[Jesusindashed]

Another winnable game lost. Jays are lucky the competition is losing again 

[Omar]

Well, that's a shame.  A winnable Berrios start turned to dust.  Can still win the series tomorrow.  

3:07pm et first pitch.  Be there.

[dancingmachine]

1 minute ago, neverbeenhere said:

Bring back Gibby 

Please gawd no

[Stangstag]

1 minute ago, thatoneguy said:

Offense is scuffling at a bad time.

Bullpen scuffled a lot last week and turned it around. Offense will be ok but we need Bo back

[dancingmachine]

DS with an ops over 800 no at bats. Mall Santa is special 

[Omar]

1 minute ago, dancingmachine said:

Please gawd no

[gruber9292]

Well at least New York and Boston lost. That's another game shaved off the magic number. 

[mphenhef]

I have been one of the biggest Hoffman defenders I think but even I am starting to question his continued use as THE guy.  A 10% fail rate is still great for a closer but Hoffman must be double or triple that now.

[Big_Walleye]

Just now, Stangstag said:

Bullpen scuffled a lot last week and turned it around. Offense will be ok but we need Bo back

Why let Schneider rot on the bench?  I'm pinch hitting him for IKF in the 9th every single time.   He would have taken good hacks and been dangerous and definitely wouldn't have watched strike 3 go by.  What he did last night notwithstanding, IKF is an easy out.

[neverbeenhere]

4 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Why let Schneider rot on the bench?  I'm pinch hitting him for IKF in the 9th every single time.   He would have taken good hacks and been dangerous and definitely wouldn't have watched strike 3 go by.  What he did last night notwithstanding, IKF is an easy out.

because John Schneider is an idiot 

[Nexii]

4 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

I have been one of the biggest Hoffman defenders I think but even I am starting to question his continued use as THE guy.  A 10% fail rate is still great for a closer but Hoffman must be double or triple that now.

Sort of what he's been all his career. Elite when HRs are low and garbage when giving up a lot like this year

[Jays24]

It is utterly stupid how this management group insists to keep Hoffman in a role that he hasn't performed ever in his career full time.  They're treating Hoffman like its moving Mariano Rivera outta the closers role. 

Its a results based industry so start doing your f***ing job!!!

[gruber9292]

SerAnthony to close 

[Nexii]

The thing is even if they put Hoffman in 7th or 8th inning they lose. It's a home run given up in another inning. Shuffling reliever order doesn't help all that much when they all get equal use

[Stangstag]

3 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

It is utterly stupid how this management group insists to keep Hoffman in a role that he hasn't performed ever in his career full time.  They're treating Hoffman like its moving Mariano Rivera outta the closers role. 

Its a results based industry so start doing your f***ing job!!!

The contract comes with a set of expectations/promises unfortunately. Maybe next year we see a change, but im hoping that change is that Hoffman gets the HR rate under control again 

[neverbeenhere]

2 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

SerAnthony to close 

at least he was a closer at one point in his career 

[Jays24]

Ignore the bottom half lol

[Doubleplay21]

Varland is the next favourable to Hoffman according to Schneider.

But Varland cannot get 3 outs. Varland does not give up home runs like Hoffman. No other options in the bullpen.

[Jays24]

3 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

The contract comes with a set of expectations/promises unfortunately. Maybe next year we see a change, but im hoping that change is that Hoffman gets the HR rate under control again 

Understood and that was fine to start the year but we're in a tight Pennett race right now... this team hasnt been in this position in a long time.  F the feelings of 1 guy over doing whats best for the team. 

[jmomcc]

I think i'd put Fisher at closer and let hoffman go lower leverage for while. 

[Nexii]

All that said it'd probably be better for Hoffman mentally to be low-medium leverage at this point. His WAR is sub 0 :(

[glory]

5 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I think i'd put Fisher at closer and let hoffman go lower leverage for while. 

Fisher would be my choice as well, but Schneider is a minor league manager, and those types absolutely adore veterans. I doubt he's demoting Hoffman's role for a rookie. If Hoffman is taken out of the role it will probably be for Dominguez if anything. I don't know who else Schneider would possibly trust in that spot. Seranthony has "closer experience" and more vetrin presents than everyone else in the pen. That matters (to JS).

[jmomcc]

13 minutes ago, Doubleplay21 said:

Varland is the next favourable to Hoffman according to Schneider.

But Varland cannot get 3 outs. Varland does not give up home runs like Hoffman. No other options in the bullpen.

Did Schneider say that? That's kind of insane. 

[jmomcc]

1 minute ago, glory said:

Fisher would be my choice as well, but Schneider is a minor league manager, and those types absolutely adore vetrins. I doubt he's demoting Hoffman's role for a rookie. If Hoffman is taken out of the role it will probably be for Dominguez if anything. I don't know who else Schneider would possibly trust in that spot.

I woukdn't hate dominquez but he's too rightie heavy. Fisher seems to be split neutral ish. 

I'd be ok with going situational. If there are three tough righties, put in dominquez. 

[Jays24]

Dominguez is the obvious choice based on his current performance and experience to fill in as the closer if we need to have one.  

We should just do it by committe based on whoever is the hottest tbh.

[Big_Walleye]

18 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Understood and that was fine to start the year but we're in a tight Pennett race right now... this team hasnt been in this position in a long time.  F the feelings of 1 guy over doing whats best for the team. 

It wouldn't be much of a race if we had a lights out closer.   Aroldis Chapman faced 50 hitters without a hit given up till today.  Just an example.

[glory]

6 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I woukdn't hate dominquez but he's too rightie heavy. Fisher seems to be split neutral ish. 

I'd be ok with going situational. If there are three tough righties, put in dominquez. 

I mean tonight would have been perfect for Dominguez in the 9th. Caratini and then 3 righties after that, with only Taylor Trammell (not a good hitter) as a LHB on the bench. But gotta use the closer in a tie game in the 9th. 

[Stangstag]

3 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

It wouldn't be much of a race if we had a lights out closer.   Aroldis Chapman faced 50 hitters without a hit given up till today.  Just an example.

Chapman was also ass for like 2-3 straight years before the Redsox fixed him

[thatoneguy]

Also, like, I don't want a serial domestic abuser on this team.

[Big_Walleye]

6 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Chapman was also ass for like 2-3 straight years before the Redsox fixed him

Do you think we're fixing Hoffman?