Yankees (Schlittler) vs Blue Jays (Scherzer): 7/22/25, 7:07pm

[Stangstag]

23 minutes ago, hanton said:

on critiquing Vlady, Joe Siddal has been pretty vocal and now ... ... (so feel free to fire away lol)

Dude disappears when it matters. He’ll give us some great seasons in 2027/28 when it doesn’t matter.

[Stangstag]

18 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

It's really a shame despite how great this team has played to date, Vladdy hasn't really done much at all. We need him to be our Aaron Judge, Fernando Tatis Jr, Shohei Ohtani type of bat. 

He's not living up to the expectations of someone who should be on a $500M contract. All the Jays need is the Vladdy of 2021 or the second half of last season show up, and and then this Jays team goes from a Postseason contender to a World Series contender!

Vladdy IS NOT the guy this team should’ve shelled out for and i will stand by that. Worst contract in baseball when it begins next season. There was no reason to extend him early, should’ve waited him out into free agency 

[goldbug103]

I agree with the last poster. Not the guy to give out that type of money. 

[Governator]

I mean the contract sucks but I'd still keep your expectations in check.  Vlad is sitting at 134 wRC+ and his 2024's first half was also 134 wRC+ (FYI his career avg is 136).  I think that tear he went on last year's 2nd half  (211 wRC+) which made him look godlike was more of an anomaly at this point, I wouldn't bet the house on a repeat performance.

 

[AMS528]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Vladdy IS NOT the guy this team should’ve shelled out for and i will stand by that. Worst contract in baseball when it begins next season. There was no reason to extend him early, should’ve waited him out into free agency 

I don't think he's going to be the worst contract in baseball when he does provide a really steady floor of performance even if he's underperforming the contract overall. And I do expect him to continue that with some performances that match his xWOBA as well. 

He's still probably going to put up around 3.5-4 WAR this year. He's made improvements this year as a baserunner and defensively where he's gone from the bottom of the league to acceptable, his sprint speed is still completely reasonable (and he can ramp it up to pretty fast as he did a couple of games ago). He seems dedicated to not letting go of his health. His plate discipline is good etc. 

Is it a good contract? Miles from it. Is it going to be the worst contract in baseball by next year? No cause like I said he's got he has a good floor with his bat (and if he maintains his defensive/baserunning improvements). 

[Laika]

Not my money. Have to keep in mind that Rogers desperately tried to get other (better) players to take this dough and nobody wanted to play in Canada. 

Is what it is

His at bat with the bases loaded was pathetic. It's wild that almost every player on the team has a better approach or composure than Vlad. Seems like everyone goes up there with a sound idea of what they are able to do and what they should do in most at bats... other than Vlad. And Bo who is a natural hacker. 

[max silver]

9 hours ago, gruber9292 said:

So your basing his whole body of work on his last three innings? All I was saying is that he can't be trusted to close playoff games thus we need at least one more late inning guy. Instead you throw a tantrum and drudge up some ten year old crap regarding Goins, lol. 

This is justly needlessly over reactionary. Hoffman is only human, and if you expect that there is a single pitcher in the entire sport that doesn't occasionally allow runs then you are in for a very rude awakening. 

[glory]

2 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Vladdy IS NOT the guy this team should’ve shelled out for and i will stand by that. Worst contract in baseball when it begins next season. There was no reason to extend him early, should’ve waited him out into free agency 

Yeah it was the worst contract in baseball as soon as they put pen to paper, and there's no way to "Devers" the contract later since he has a full NTC. He's going to be a team mascot putting up negative WAR's for the last 5-7 years of the deal as he chases 3000 hits, unfortunately. Rogers saw the last place finish in 2024 and did not see this 2025 season turning out the way it has (no one did), so they panicked. If the Jays win a ring over the life of Vlad's deal, and Vlad was a decent part of it, then we'll probably live with it. Let's hope. 

[AMS528]

1 minute ago, glory said:

Yeah it was the worst contract in baseball as soon as they put pen to paper, and there's no way to "Devers" the contract later since he has a full NTC. He's going to be a team mascot putting up negative WAR's for the last 5-7 years of the deal as he chases 3000 hits, unfortunately. Rogers saw the last place finish in 2024 and did not see this 2025 season turning out the way it has (no one did), so they panicked. If the Jays win a ring over the life of Vlad's deal, and Vlad was a decent part of it, then we'll probably live with it. Let's hope. 

Early in the season practically everyone on this board (including me and the other usually pragmatic posters) were tearing this team apart, declaring Atkins and co entirely incompetent. And then things changed, and now we're all happy, and everyone has forgotten all the dumb things we (again including myself) said early on. 

We said we had no farm, our players sucked and we were an expensive team going nowhere. 

I say this because it is entirely possible Vlad goes on a heater for two months and his numbers wind up completely fine. I think everyone knows the last few years (we'll see how many of them) will suck, but I really think it's early to decide that it sucks now.  

[mphenhef]

3 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Vladdy IS NOT the guy this team should’ve shelled out for and i will stand by that. Worst contract in baseball when it begins next season. There was no reason to extend him early, should’ve waited him out into free agency 

It won't be the worst contract until Rendon's is done.

[Spanky__99]

18 hours ago, hanton said:

Needed some power in the 9th instead we got Vlady literally slapping the ball through the hole on the right side - with no one on

 

18 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Power in general is something we need more of. Yankees got quick strikes the whole game with it.

It would be nice if Vladdy could be that guy but he's not. 

Varsho will help 

Santander's injury really hurt us 

Wait, what, we're complaining about a leadoff basehit in the 9th against the Yankees closer to finish the day 3 - 5? Or saying Vlad doesn't have power, da fuq? 

The Santander and Varsho injuries definitely have hurt us, in the meantime we hover with the best record in MLB... LOL. Nothing pleases you people on here.

[Omar]

4 hours ago, Laika said:

Not my money. Have to keep in mind that Rogers desperately tried to get other (better) players to take this dough and nobody wanted to play in Canada. 

Is what it is

His at bat with the bases loaded was pathetic. It's wild that almost every player on the team has a better approach or composure than Vlad. Seems like everyone goes up there with a sound idea of what they are able to do and what they should do in most at bats... other than Vlad. And Bo who is a natural hacker. 

I disagree. He saw a pitch he liked, took a hack and it didn't work out. Sure it was a bad outcome but s*** happens. 

[Spanky__99]

6 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Vladdy IS NOT the guy this team should’ve shelled out for and i will stand by that. Worst contract in baseball when it begins next season. There was no reason to extend him early, should’ve waited him out into free agency 

They were likely going to until Ed Rogers stepped in, it's not on the FO, Shapiro even said we've gone over our evaluation several times. And that's just is what it is, sounds like we have an ownership that aren't backing off on spending at the very least. There's a silver lining. 😜

[Masterbather]

43 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

Wait, what, we're complaining about a leadoff basehit in the 9th against the Yankees closer to finish the day 3 - 5? Or saying Vlad doesn't have power, da fuq? 

The Santander and Varsho injuries definitely have hurt us, in the meantime we hover with the best record in MLB... LOL. Nothing pleases you people on here.

I didn't complain about his lead off base hit, I didn't have a problem with it. 

And I didn't say Vladdy doesn't have power but he's not hitting for power. I don't care how many pitches he parks into the seats during batting practice.

And what does us playing well have to do with the fact that Vlad isn't hitting for power and that the team isn't hitting for power? 

We're trying to win a World Series and one of the things that could inhibit us is our lack of power. It's a legitimate talking point. No different than talking about the things we want to add at the deadline to help us going forward. So it's obviously worth talking about especially when our half a billion dollar man, who should be one of the most powerful hitters in baseball, isn't.

You can be a blind cheerleader all you want I don't care but this is relevant baseball discussion.

 

[Spanky__99]

13 hours ago, gruber9292 said:

So your basing his whole body of work on his last three innings? All I was saying is that he can't be trusted to close playoff games thus we need at least one more late inning guy. Instead you throw a tantrum and drudge up some ten year old crap regarding Goins, lol. 

Yeah, but can he stick? What was that s*** last night you quoted my name about the wind and Hoffman, do tell, chicken?  

The Jays will be getting a leverage arm or 2 and a SP, not sure about the bat but it was rumoured that the Jays were asking on O'neill Cruz from the Pirates.

 

[Spanky__99]

7 hours ago, jaysblue said:

It's really a shame despite how great this team has played to date, Vladdy hasn't really done much at all. We need him to be our Aaron Judge, Fernando Tatis Jr, Shohei Ohtani type of bat. 

He's not living up to the expectations of someone who should be on a $500M contract. All the Jays need is the Vladdy of 2021 or the second half of last season show up, and and then this Jays team goes from a Postseason contender to a World Series contender!

[Spanky__99]

30 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

I didn't complain about his lead off base hit, I didn't have a problem with it. 

And I didn't say Vladdy doesn't have power but he's not hitting for power. I don't care how many pitches he parks into the seats during batting practice.

And what does us playing well have to do with the fact that Vlad isn't hitting for power and that the team isn't hitting for power? 

We're trying to win a World Series and one of the things that could inhibit us is our lack of power. It's a legitimate talking point. No different than talking about the things we want to add at the deadline to help us going forward. So it's obviously worth talking about especially when our half a billion dollar man, who should be one of the most powerful hitters in baseball, isn't.

You can be a blind cheerleader all you want I don't care but this is relevant baseball discussion.

 

I didn't say you did say that about the basehit,(there's a quote above by Hanton), my comment to you was you said he had no power. Lack of HR's thus far is poor for his standards, everyone knows that, Captain.

 

 

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

Power in general is something we need more of. Yankees got quick strikes the whole game with it.

It would be nice if Vladdy could be that guy but he's not. 

^^^^ Am I reading it correctly, that's what you said above?

And as for the Varsho and Santander comments, I agreed.   

As for the rest of your babble suck farts, you called the season off back in April early May...😂

As for the blind cheerleader you've been calling me that for now going on 6 years in which Toronto made the postseason 4 times while missing out by a game the other year in '21. My cheerleading has been on point, you however are Eeyore, it's actually comical at this point.

[gruber9292]

I like the sounds of the "half billion dollar man", has a nice ring to it. 

It could stick 

 

[Spanky__99]

11 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

I like the sounds of the "half billion dollar man", has a nice ring to it. 

It could stick 

 

So? 🦤

[Spanky__99]

17 hours ago, hanton said:

I'm not sure we outplayed them at all - they certainly outplayed us when it counted with the Rice homer off our closer

lulz... so how does that make you come to that conclusion, you missed the xBA, the base hits the several chances of scoring with RISP greatly favours the Jays and our D was sublime while there's wasn't... Jays out played them, they made Max pay on a couple mistake pitches as did Rice, that's baseball, s*** happens but the Jays played better ball. Their sluggers showed up, that's not playing a better overall game, f*** the Yankees.

[Stangstag]

6 hours ago, Laika said:

Not my money. Have to keep in mind that Rogers desperately tried to get other (better) players to take this dough and nobody wanted to play in Canada. 

Is what it is

His at bat with the bases loaded was pathetic. It's wild that almost every player on the team has a better approach or composure than Vlad. Seems like everyone goes up there with a sound idea of what they are able to do and what they should do in most at bats... other than Vlad. And Bo who is a natural hacker. 

Feels like Vlad is just doing his own thing not with the coaches…. At some point the FO has to step in a salvage their investment 

[Masterbather]

34 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

I didn't say you did say that about the basehit,(there's a quote above by Hanton), my comment to you was you said he had no power. Lack of HR's thus far is poor for his standards, everyone knows that, Captain.

 

 

^^^^ Am I reading it correctly, that's what you said above?

And as for the Varsho and Santander comments, I agreed.   

As for the rest of your babble suck farts, you called the season off back in April early May...😂

As for the blind cheerleader you've been calling me that for now going on 6 years in which Toronto made the postseason 4 times while missing out by a game the other year in '21. My cheerleading has been on point, you however are Eeyore, it's actually comical at this point.

Sorry my expectations are World Series contender, your expectations are scraping into the postseason in order to make a quick exit. So what the hell are you on point about?

I guess by your mediocre standards you're right lol.

By my standards I'm right, this team's not been close for a team that sells itself as a World Series contender. 

By the way, I was a huge fan of the 2021 team. My only criticism is that they should have gone all in because that was obviously a World Series contender with one or two key pieces especially if they added better bullpen arms and sooner. It's the teams since then that have been a problem.

If you predicted that Springer and Kirk were going to have bounce back All-Star caliber campaigns, that Barger was going to emerge the way that he has, that Laurer was going to essentially save our rotation, that we would get so many contributions from bit players, go ahead and dunk, but you didn't see all this coming, nobody did.

I'm thrilled with doing well, I really am, I want to win a World Series, but this team has exceeded all expectations because things happened that we didn't think would happen. 

All that being said: Vlad is still a problem. If he were doing what he was capable of doing we might be one or two pieces away from actually being a serious World Series contender this year with the way things have fallen in place. 

 

[Omar]

15 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Feels like Vlad is just doing his own thing not with the coaches…. At some point the FO has to step in a salvage their investment 

They reported yesterday that he is doing a lot of one on one work with Mattingly. So they are aware that changes need to be made. I have never heard of Vladdy being lazy. He is a hard worker from all accounts. Seems like he wants to succeed as much as anyone. Hope he unlocks MVP Vladdy. It's all there but this game is really hard. 

[max silver]

20 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Feels like Vlad is just doing his own thing not with the coaches…. At some point the FO has to step in a salvage their investment 

What are you even basing this on? Every time Vlad is struggling this type of criticism immediately gets tossed his way. What do you expect the front office to do exactly if you think he's ignoring the coaches, send him to the timeout corner or something? 

[max silver]

4 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Sorry my expectations are World Series contender, your expectations are scraping into the postseason in order to make a quick exit. So what the hell are you on point about?

I guess by your mediocre standards you're right lol.

By my standards I'm right, this team's not been close for a team that sells itself as a World Series contender. 

By the way, I was a huge fan of the 2021 team. My only criticism is that they should have gone all in because that was obviously a World Series contender with one or two key pieces especially if they added better bullpen arms and sooner. It's the teams since then that have been a problem.

If you predicted that Springer and Kirk were going to have bounce back All-Star caliber campaigns, that Barger was going to emerge the way that he has, that Laurer was going to essentially save our rotation, that we would get so many contributions from bit players, go ahead and dunk, but you didn't see all this coming, nobody did.

I'm thrilled with doing well, I really am, I want to win a World Series, but this team has exceeded all expectations because things happened that we didn't think would happen. 

All that being said: Vlad is still a problem. If he were doing what he was capable of doing we might be one or two pieces away from actually being a serious World Series contender this year with the way things have fallen in place. 

 

You were stating a few short months ago that this team had no future whatsoever so your standards are obviously not particularly aligned with reality.

[Omar]

4 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Sorry my expectations are World Series contender, your expectations are scraping into the postseason in order to make a quick exit. 

 

Besides puffing yourself up with this strawman argument; do you seriously believe that anyone would be happy with or expects us  "scraping into the post season in order to make a quick exit"?  

This comment is dripping with condescion.  You can do better. 

[Spanky__99]

20 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Sorry my expectations are World Series contender, your expectations are scraping into the postseason in order to make a quick exit. So what the hell are you on point about?

I guess by your mediocre standards you're right lol.

By my standards I'm right, this team's not been close for a team that sells itself as a World Series contender. 

By the way, I was a huge fan of the 2021 team. My only criticism is that they should have gone all in because that was obviously a World Series contender with one or two key pieces especially if they added better bullpen arms and sooner. It's the teams since then that have been a problem.

If you predicted that Springer and Kirk were going to have bounce back All-Star caliber campaigns, that Barger was going to emerge the way that he has, that Laurer was going to essentially save our rotation, that we would get so many contributions from bit players, go ahead and dunk, but you didn't see all this coming, nobody did.

I'm thrilled with doing well, I really am, I want to win a World Series, but this team has exceeded all expectations because things happened that we didn't think would happen. 

All that being said: Vlad is still a problem. If he were doing what he was capable of doing we might be one or two pieces away from actually being a serious World Series contender this year with the way things have fallen in place. 

 

Get in and win, meat.  I believed they were a contender, not division leader and possibly MLB's best.

lol... the Jays believed in Springer/Kirk as they did with Barger, they signed and acquired them?

If Vlad was doing what he did last season as he did in '21, this team would be the best in MLB a contender, get a few arms within 8 days and we ARE a contender as we are at the moment and will get better.  Give your head a shake.            

 

[hanton]

16 minutes ago, Omar said:

They reported yesterday that he is doing a lot of one on one work with Mattingly. So they are aware that changes need to be made. I have never heard of Vladdy being lazy. He is a hard worker from all accounts. Seems like he wants to succeed as much as anyone. Hope he unlocks MVP Vladdy. It's all there but this game is really hard. 

Yea same I don't believe he's lazy or anything, his off season workouts in the DR are on Youtube.  He works pretty hard.

On his work with Mattingly I did find it strange that Pop and/or Lou weren't there - or maybe we just didn't see them?  if anything Pop should be leading that hitting session because Pop and Mattignly are not in the same universe when it comes to hitting philosophy 

[Spanky__99]

23 minutes ago, max silver said:

You were stating a few short months ago that this team had no future whatsoever so your standards are obviously not particularly aligned with reality.

Yeah, mentioned that in my post, he can suck farts to be honest. He's just back peddling and wants to say I told you so at the end of the world series, lame ass shyte.

[Spanky__99]

16 minutes ago, hanton said:

On his work with Mattingly I did find it strange that Pop and/or Lou weren't there - or maybe we just didn't see them?  if anything Pop should be leading that hitting session because Pop and Mattignly are not in the same universe when it comes to hitting philosophy 

What is this you're talking about, Mattingly and Vlad? These other guys are new hires, I don't get it.