Blue Jays (Scherzer) vs A's (Severino): 7/11/25, 10:05pm

[Doubleplay21]

Hoffman threw over 30 pitches 

Schneider cannot be a manager in a playoff series

[Spanky__99]

So many tools.

[jaysthebest]

4 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Hes not a scrub but he definitely cant be your primary closer.  We've seen enough and his numbers are his numbers for a reason. 

We need the ability to be able to pull him quickly when he clearly doesnt have it.  Thats easier done when the guy isnt your closer.  

I think he gives up too many home runs as a WS contending team closer. Every time he walks a batter, I have a feeling he will allow a 2 run home run to a random batter.

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, jaysthebest said:

I think he gives up too many home runs as a ws contending team closer. Every time he walks a batter, I have a feeling he will allow a two run home run to a random batter.

I was literally waiting for him to give up a HR at the end. 

Very easy to see when hes elite or complete crap.  I dont want to risk potential playoff games by rolling the Hoffman dice.   

[Jays24]

12 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

So many tools.

Except the fire hasn't happened yet but the signs are there for our "closer" lol

[Spanky__99]

3 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Jays are first in the AL East, moron? Won 10 of there last 11 games? 

[G-Snarls]

Goddammit Hoffman 

Otherwise a win is a win 

[mphenhef]

6 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Misiroski just named to the NL all star team.

Uhhh.... I know he's been good but ... really? He has 5 starts.

 

Brewers owner is probably pissed thinking about what that all star appearance will add to his arb year contracts.

[jaysblue]

Not sure the exact stats to back it up, but it always seems to me when a closer is placed in a non-save situation like where they have a 4 run or greater lead in the 9th inning, they tend to do much more poorly. It's psychological. 

Like I bet if the Jays were winning only 5-3 heading into the ninth, good chance Hoffman is sharper and shuts them down. 

I also understand getting some work in for Hoffman since he hadn't pitched since July 6th, but sucks that he burned through 30 pitches. 

[jaysblue]

7 hours ago, Doubleplay21 said:

Hoffman threw over 30 pitches 

Schneider cannot be a manager in a playoff series

We need to give Schneider as many solid BP options as possible for the Postseason. Starters like Berrios or Gausman aren't going to pitch more than 5 or 6 innings in a Postseason game and he's going to need to heavily rely and manage the pen from the 5th inning or so on. Gotta hope he has high leverage options available for every game. 

If last night was Game 1 of a WC series, he likely implements the same BP strategy in a 7-3 game. Only difference is maybe Scherzer doesn't stay out as long as he did. 

[Stangstag]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Not sure the exact stats to back it up, but it always seems to me when a closer is placed in a non-save situation like where they have a 4 run or greater lead in the 9th inning, they tend to do much more poorly. It's psychological. 

Like I bet if the Jays were winning only 5-3 heading into the ninth, good chance Hoffman is sharper and shuts them down. 

I also understand getting some work in for Hoffman since he hadn't pitched since July 6th, but sucks that he burned through 30 pitches. 

It seems to me that Hoffman is a lot worse when he’s been off for several days. He seems to be much sharper when he’s pitching more often. Probably a reason he was used in this game, wouldn’t be surprised if he’s nails next outing 

[Stangstag]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

We need to give Schneider as many solid BP options as possible for the Postseason. Starters like Berrios or Gausman aren't going to pitch more than 5 or 6 innings in a Postseason game and he's going to need to heavily rely and manage the pen from the 5th inning or so on. Gotta hope he has high leverage options available for every game. 

If last night was Game 1 of a WC series, he likely implements the same BP strategy in a 7-3 game. Only difference is maybe Scherzer doesn't stay out as long as he did. 

Scherzer pulled after 4 lol

[Terminator]

Hoffman was due for a stinker. He had given up zero runs in his last 9 appearances.

He also hadn't pitched in 5 days so he he will be good to throw at least 1 if not both the remaining games.

Hopefully last night was him shaking the rust off.

[John_Havok]

32 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Hoffman was due for a stinker. He had given up zero runs in his last 9 appearances.

He also hadn't pitched in 5 days so he he will be good to throw at least 1 if not both the remaining games.

Hopefully last night was him shaking the rust off.

His slider was really rough, spiked a bunch of them early on and basically let the hitters sit on his fastball. Then when he lost command of the fastball, sat on the splitter. Rough night all around for him really.

[Jays24]

4 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Scherzer pulled after 4 lol

Then Max strangles Schneider right on the mound lol

[Jays24]

3 hours ago, Terminator said:

Hoffman was due for a stinker. He had given up zero runs in his last 9 appearances.

He also hadn't pitched in 5 days so he he will be good to throw at least 1 if not both the remaining games.

Hopefully last night was him shaking the rust off.

Funny how the narrative for bullpen guys is either "youre overworking him to death" or "hes rusty because he got too much rest" 

[Jays24]

Hoffman's season numbers indicate he's either elite or crap.  We cannot rely on someone that volatile as our closer in super meaningful games once we get closer to the playoffs.  We'll see how the front office feels by the bullpen arm we add at the deadline

[Stangstag]

16 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Funny how the narrative for bullpen guys is either "youre overworking him to death" or "hes rusty because he got too much rest" 

I think different players can prefer/thrive on different schedules and usage. Some guys wanna be out there every day, some guys know they pitch better with more rest. 

Just wanna point out Hoffman has a better xFIP than Clase this season. A few people have mentioned wanting to acquire Clase for the closer role, but he hasn’t been as elite this year as he was previously 

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

12 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I think different players can prefer/thrive on different schedules and usage. Some guys wanna be out there every day, some guys know they pitch better with more rest. 

Just wanna point out Hoffman has a better xFIP than Clase this season. A few people have mentioned wanting to acquire Clase for the closer role, but he hasn’t been as elite this year as he was previously 

 

Clase was so good last year it was unreal, but then he got his ass handed to him in the playoffs. He's not a bat misser either, I'd rather the Jays get someone who racks up more K's. Bednar seems like a no brainer, but at the same time relievers can be such a crap shoot. It'd suck to give up a bunch of assets and then get "Brad Hand'ed" again.

[John_Havok]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Hoffman's season numbers indicate he's either elite or crap.  We cannot rely on someone that volatile as our closer in super meaningful games once we get closer to the playoffs.  We'll see how the front office feels by the bullpen arm we add at the deadline

I don't think there's any question at all they want to add at least 1 pen arm, possibly even 2 with the skillset they feel can be high leverage or "closer" material, regardless of how Hoffman performs. 

[max silver]

3 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Hoffman's season numbers indicate he's either elite or crap.  We cannot rely on someone that volatile as our closer in super meaningful games once we get closer to the playoffs.  We'll see how the front office feels by the bullpen arm we add at the deadline

There are 3 surefire things in life. Death, taxes, and panicky overreactions from Jays24. This was the first bad outing for Hoffman in nearly 6 weeks, yet here you are proclaiming how Hoffman simply can't be the closer in the playoffs. He's still 22/26 in saves which is a very good conversion rate. I believe a key will be for Schneider to avoid using up all his effective leverage arms leading up to Hoffman if at all possible, as Hoffman is human after all and just like every other closer in the sport doesn't have his best stuff and command every time out. It would be wise to keep backup available to Hoffman on those days where he can't get the job done.

[max silver]

3 hours ago, Stangstag said:

I think different players can prefer/thrive on different schedules and usage. Some guys wanna be out there every day, some guys know they pitch better with more rest. 

Just wanna point out Hoffman has a better xFIP than Clase this season. A few people have mentioned wanting to acquire Clase for the closer role, but he hasn’t been as elite this year as he was previously 

 

I don't think the club necessarily needs to replace Hoffman in the closer role, but acquiring another arm capable of closing out games would be a tremendous asset to the club. Hoffman has been dramatically overworked at times as he's pitched 4 times in 5 days on 3 separate occasions this season. Finding another closing capable arm would help to lessen Hoffman's workload and give the manager a second option to use.

[Terminator]

5 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Funny how the narrative for bullpen guys is either "youre overworking him to death" or "hes rusty because he got too much rest" 

Why is that funny?

if Schneider throws him 4 out of 5 days and needlessly warms up him I have concerns

if Hoff doesn’t throw for 5 days he can often struggle

pretty simple stuff 

[hanton]

35 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Why is that funny?

if Schneider throws him 4 out of 5 days and needlessly warms up him I have concerns

if Hoff doesn’t throw for 5 days he can often struggle

pretty simple stuff 

the life of a major league closer, deal with it