2025 Trade Deadline

[jmomcc]

9 minutes ago, thatoneguy said:

What are you even getting bent out of shape about?

Roden and Rojas are real prospects they spent on control of a reliever who isn't uber elite. Its dumb. 

[Terminator]

Just now, Masterbather said:

I think their pen was the biggest need. They made great additions there. They also got a top base stealer for the postseason which is a smart thing to grab if you need to steal a run in a close game.

With Gil returning, they now have their front three, Warren and Shlittler take care of the back end. 

Ah ok I didn't realize Gil was so close to returning. That helps.

[Doubleplay21]

Jays got a starter and 2 relievers but not a sure closer...which may hurt this team later on. So a good deadline but not great.

[jmomcc]

Maybe they have a plan for Varland to start next year but we aren't really that type of org usually. 

[jerb]

 

[BTS]

9 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Does it? That's like what... 4% of our budget? Why would that matter? 

You’re asking me why it matters that they’ll be paying a guy 800K instead of having to try to backfill the position at 10-15M? 

[Ryu In My House]

1 minute ago, jmomcc said:

Roden and Rojas are real prospects they spent on control of a reliever who isn't uber elite. Its dumb. 

Dude, they had no choice. They're in first place—you have to go for it when you're in that spot. Holding onto every prospect doesn't win you a playoff series. You trade from the farm to give the big-league team a real shot. And let’s be real: only 30–40% of top prospects ever turn into legit MLB players. Most fizzle out. The Jays need help now, and they made the kind of smart, targeted moves that can actually make a difference in October.

[John_Havok]

Quick savant scouting on Varland... throws 98 heat, gets a ton of ground balls, doesnt walk a ton, but gives up avg exit velos. gets a lot of chase, but only slightly above average whiff rates. 

Could certainly benefit from the strong D of the Jays

The only real surprise/shocker here is... he does NOT throw a splitter. 

[Doubleplay21]

2 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Quick savant scouting on Varland... throws 98 heat, gets a ton of ground balls, doesnt walk a ton, but gives up avg exit velos. gets a lot of chase, but only slightly above average whiff rates. 

Could certainly benefit from the strong D of the Jays

The only real surprise/shocker here is... he does NOT throw a splitter. 

May be a long man this season maybe a starter next season.

[Terminator]

Acquired:

• Shane Bieber
• Louis Varland
• Ty France
• Seranthony Dominguez
• Brandon Valenzuala

Dealt:

• Will Wagner
• Alan Roden
• Kendry Rojas
• Khal Stephen
• Juaron Watts-Brown

Solid deadline for the Jays. I believe Bieber was the best starting pitcher traded, even with the TJS? A lot rides on him performing well.

[John_Havok]

So.... the Twins have traded.... Varland, France, Correa, Duran, Jax, Castro, Coulombe, Stewart, Bader and Paddack. 

Do they even have enough players to field a team tomorrow? Gonna be a shitload of frequent flyer miles cashed in by the FO tonight

[Eat My Shatkins]

So what are we thinking, 6 man rotation when Bieber comes up?

Bullpen looks real solid with the two 8th inning guys added.

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

I'm confident that Bieber is going to f***ing shine. The guy is a stud.

[John_Havok]

3 minutes ago, Doubleplay21 said:

May be a long man this season maybe a starter next season.

If he gets a shot back at starting, that somewhat offsets the pain of losing Rojas. I really liked what he was bringing to the table. Rojas himself could have been challenging for a starter's role next season. 

[HomeRunHomer]

1 minute ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

So what are we thinking, 6 man rotation when Bieber comes up?

Bullpen looks real solid with the two 8th inning guys added.

 

I would go with a 5 man based on Schneider's fetish for using relievers at will.

[John_Havok]

1 minute ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I'm confident that Bieber is going to f***ing shine. The guy is a stud.

Hopeful yes. Confident.... no, but that could just be my inner pessimist personality rearing its ugly head. 

[abola2121]

Idk why, but I always imagined Rojas/Roden would somehow end up with the twins. And then today happened.

[BTS]

2 minutes ago, Doubleplay21 said:

May be a long man this season maybe a starter next season.

Not sure he's a good candidate to go back to starting. He's been more effective this season because his fastball has played up in the pen (96 -> 98) and he's been able to scrap the change and go FB/breaking ball only. I think it's OK to just let him dominate as a late inning reliever. 

[jmomcc]

11 minutes ago, BTS said:

You’re asking me why it matters that they’ll be paying a guy 800K instead of having to try to backfill the position at 10-15M? 

Yes. Because roden would also make 800k and is projected to be a just above 2 WAR player. That's worth about 140m over his control. 

We COULD just get a rental reliever that is at least 90% of varland and do that repeatedly every offseason and every deadline and never get close to 140m over 7 years. That's not counting rojas. 
 

Deadline prices for relievers are high (for their war output) because its SO important when you are good. But its not important to lock that down years in advance because firstly they are variable by nature and secondly you don't want to pay deadline prices pro rated over 5 years of control for a reliever. 
 

its a bad deal in the way starters and position players generally aren't. 
 

IF they have a plan to move him back to start next year, i like this. 

[Nexii]

Can't complain. Pitching was our weak spot and we got 3 huge upgrades over what we had before

[Doubleplay21]

France replaces Schneider as the right hand bat off the bench

[Laika]

Varland and Seranthony are both top 20 qualified RP by average fastball velo 

Varland has been as good as Mason Miller this year by results 

Varland has very recent SP experience. He was bad last year but his pitch mix is completely different now

He may be a stud? 

[TobiasFunke]

1 minute ago, jmomcc said:

Yes. Because roden would also make 800k and is projected to be a just above 2 WAR player. That's worth about 140m over his control. 

We COULD just get a rental reliever that is at least 90% of varland and do that repeatedly every offseason and every deadline and never get close to 140m over 7 years. That's not counting rojas. 
 

Deadline prices for relievers are high (for their war output) because its SO important when you are good. But its not important to lock that down years in advance because firstly they are variable by nature and secondly you don't want to pay deadline prices pro rated over 5 years of control for a reliever. 
 

its a bad deal in the way starters and position players generally aren't. 
 

IF they have a plan to move him back to start next year, i like this. 

If it's worth anything, Twins fans seem to hate the trade more than you do.

[BTS]

1 minute ago, jmomcc said:

Yes. Because roden would also make 800k and is projected to be a just above 2 WAR player. That's worth about 140m over his control. 

We COULD just get a rental reliever that is at least 90% of varland and do that repeatedly every offseason and every deadline and never get close to 140m over 7 years. That's not counting rojas. 
 

Deadline prices for relievers are high (for their war output) because its SO important when you are good. But its not important to lock that down years in advance because firstly they are variable by nature and secondly you don't want to pay deadline prices pro rated over 5 years of control for a reliever. 
 

its a bad deal in the way starters and position players generally aren't. 

If you're valuing Alan Roden at 140M I completely understand your criticism of this trade. 

[Terminator]

3 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Yes. Because roden would also make 800k and is projected to be a just above 2 WAR player. That's worth about 140m over his control. 

We COULD just get a rental reliever that is at least 90% of varland and do that repeatedly every offseason and every deadline and never get close to 140m over 7 years. That's not counting rojas. 
 

Deadline prices for relievers are high (for their war output) because its SO important when you are good. But its not important to lock that down years in advance because firstly they are variable by nature and secondly you don't want to pay deadline prices pro rated over 5 years of control for a reliever. 
 

its a bad deal in the way starters and position players generally aren't. 

 

Lol there is no way in hell a slap hitting LF like Roden would be getting 140 million over the next 6 years. He might be a non-tender candidate by the time he enters arb.

 

[abola2121]

3 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

So what are we thinking, 6 man rotation when Bieber comes up?

Bullpen looks real solid with the two 8th inning guys added.

 

I could see Scherzer/Manoa alternating starts down the stretch.

[Perfect Game]

 

[G-Snarls]

I'm happy with this deadline even if we did t get a big name "closer"

Pumped to see the new guys in action 

[mphenhef]

The biggest thing that went wrong at the deadline to me was outside of the Jays control.  It was the Rays and Royals surprisingly adding.  It would have been nice to have the ~12 games come against them after selling rather than buying.   Then again, the Jays play to their competition it feels like so not all bad.

[jmomcc]

4 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

If it's worth anything, Twins fans seem to hate the trade more than you do.

I think everyone is underrating Roden.