White Sox (Houser) vs Blue Jays (Bassitt): 6/22/25, 1:37pm

[BB17]

29 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Right, this is a borderline wildcard team unless they make significant improvements at the deadline 

Agreed. 

[jaysblue]

Bassitt was only at 82 pitches and pretty much cruising. I would have tried to squeeze another inning out of him. If he was closer to 90 something or 100 at the end of 6, then understandable.

[jaysblue]

30 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Right, this is a borderline wildcard team unless they make significant improvements at the deadline 

Yeah that's exactly what they are. Not a bad thing and obviously better than last season. A couple key additions at the trade deadline would definitely help and give you more confidence heading into a WC matchup in October. 

[M.E.]

There is no more leash for Hoffman.  Yariel or Yimi (on return) have to have the job for the foreseeable future.  Hoffman is now directly responsible for the loss of 4 games this year.  yes I expect our closer to be better than this.....

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, gruber9292 said:

A healthy Yimi Garcia is a better closer option imo. 

Meh I don't think so. 

Would rather try Yariel as closer first before moving Yimi into the role.

As for Hoffman, his K numbers are still elite and has been better than his 5+ something ERA. A couple of blowup outings ballooned his ERA to what it is. As well, he needs to start limiting the HR ball. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 hour ago, CheeseHead said:

This is my first post and I just came on to say that hopeless, hapless Hoffman does my head in!

Welcome to the site!

[Eat My Shatkins]

Need to add a decent SP #4 (Scherzer)

Need to add a decent SP #5 (Manoah)

Need to add a high leverage RP (Yimi)

Need to add a power bat (Santander)

Could use an everyday CF (Varsho)

 

 

 

 

[BB17]

3 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Need to add a decent SP #4 (Scherzer)

Need to add a decent SP #5 (Manoah)

Need to add a high leverage RP (Yimi)

Need to add a power bat (Santander)

Could use an everyday CF (Varsho)

 

 

 

 

Scherzer basically admitted his thumb still isn’t healthy and it’s something he will have to “pitch through” so not sure I feel confident in him pitching the rest of the year. At least the next 3-4 weeks should be enough to see if he can stay healthy/be reliable.

Manoah can’t be counted on to be anything given how long it’s been since he last pitched effectively. The jays need a #1/2 not 2 back end SP anyways. Although that’s easier said than done of course given the options out there.

[G-Snarls]

Laoubg a series to the White Sox while the Yankees win 

Need reinforcements

[max silver]

This was a frustrating loss on many counts. I absolutely hate running the contact play with the infield drawn in as it far too often leads to unnecessary outs at the plate. This is one game where I fully agree that Schneider used far too many relievers, particularly with YRod pitching a dominant inning while using only 10 pitches and not being brought back out for a second inning of work. I was not a fan at all of the Little replacement as Hoffman has experienced a lot of games where he simply doesn't have it and bringing him with several runners on base and asking for 4 outs seemed to be a potential recipe for disaster.

[gruber9292]

We may see one or both of Yesavage and Stephen in September. 

Ross is desperate, both on fast track. 

[jaysblue]

59 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Need to add a decent SP #4 (Scherzer)

Need to add a decent SP #5 (Manoah)

Need to add a high leverage RP (Yimi)

Need to add a power bat (Santander)

Could use an everyday CF (Varsho)

 

 

 

 

This mentality of thinking is deeply flawed. 

[Stangstag]

11 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

We may see one or both of Yesavage and Stephen in September. 

Ross is desperate, both on fast track. 

More likely to see them be traded in the next few weeks IMO

[Eat My Shatkins]

12 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

This mentality of thinking is deeply flawed. 

Whats so flawed about it? There is potential reinforcements coming and time to evaluate if they add enough to properly compete. 

If not, they can then look to patch holes with trades.

 

Losing a home series to the White Sox sucks, but we're still in a wild card spot in late June with some key pieces out and time to bolster the line up.

[HomeRunHomer]

 

[max silver]

53 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

More likely to see them be traded in the next few weeks IMO

I sort of doubt the front office would be willing to trade Yesavage in particular, although I could see Stephen being dangled if it were for a player with some remaining control and not a straight up rental.

[Stangstag]

38 minutes ago, HomeRunHomer said:

 

Where the h8rs at now

[Jays24]

12 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Where the h8rs at now

This is all a cover... we all clearly saw Schneider go up to Bassitt to say hes done.  

[Masterbather]

2 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Need to add a decent SP #4 (Scherzer)

Need to add a decent SP #5 (Manoah)

Need to add a high leverage RP (Yimi)

Need to add a power bat (Santander)

Could use an everyday CF (Varsho)

 

 

 

 

The problem is we don't have a number one or number two pitcher. 

Where are those coming from?

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, BB17 said:

This whole season has been like this lol. A few terrible losses in a row followed by some unlikely wins just after you wrote them off. Then you believe in the team and they disappoint for a few games.

Team is a mid 80s win team as constructed and will continue to be like this all season unless they can shore up the pitching.

And hitting. About the only part of the game they don't need improving is defense

[Eat My Shatkins]

14 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

The problem is we don't have a number one or number two pitcher. 

Where are those coming from?

We have three starting pitchers in the top 20 for fWAR in the AL. 

We don't have an Ace, if that's what you meant. 

[Masterbather]

58 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

We have three starting pitchers in the top 20 for fWAR in the AL. 

We don't have an Ace, if that's what you meant. 

Very cute. Of course when you limit it to only qualified starters there's only 38 in all of the American League. Yes we have three pitchers that do a very good job of staying healthy, and that's nice.

But when you look at actual quality of starters that may be healthy in the postseason, I say again, we don't have a true one or a two.

 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Masterbather said:

The problem is we don't have a number one or number two pitcher. 

Where are those coming from?

Your probably need to accept that we're still going to have some flaws.  Almost every team does.  

[Brownie19]

3 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Whats so flawed about it? There is potential reinforcements coming and time to evaluate if they add enough to properly compete. 

If not, they can then look to patch holes with trades.

 

Losing a home series to the White Sox sucks, but we're still in a wild card spot in late June with some key pieces out and time to bolster the line up.

He's going to tell you that you can't rely on any of those things working out and that we need to make enough moves so Manoah and Max can be in AAA as depth starters and Santander can return as our 5th OFer.

And while there's some truth to that approach (which he's been preaching since the offseason), it's simply not realistic.  I think what you were trying to say is that while we do have some holes right now - we do have some internal options that may soon help fill some of those holes.  Will they all succeed and fill those holes?  No, but they should fill some of them, which is encouraging.  It's certainly better than not having quality internal options set to return soon.

[Masterbather]

16 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Your probably need to accept that we're still going to have some flaws.  Almost every team does.  

Yes I understand there is a very good chance we're not going to get what we need, I'm just saying if we're serious about trying to win a championship that's what we need and if we don't get it, our odds diminish considerably.

[jaysblue]

4 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Whats so flawed about it? There is potential reinforcements coming and time to evaluate if they add enough to properly compete. 

If not, they can then look to patch holes with trades.

 

Losing a home series to the White Sox sucks, but we're still in a wild card spot in late June with some key pieces out and time to bolster the line up.

You can't just expect Scherzer, Santander, Varsho and Yimi to be the missing pieces which take this team to the next level. As well, from now and until then anything can happen - injuries to players/pitchers on the current roster, or possibly one of those guys above have a set back in their rehab or don't come back strong.

Regardless, the Jays will have to make trades before the deadline to make improvements to the main roster. Nice getting back some players and arms though. 

[Jays24]

49 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Yes I understand there is a very good chance we're not going to get what we need, I'm just saying if we're serious about trying to win a championship that's what we need and if we don't get it, our odds diminish considerably.

Ya there's a difference between building regular season rosters vs playoff rosters.  

Regular season - Complete depth matters to get through the year.  

Playoffs - Top 3 Starters, top 3/4 relievers, top 9 batters and their defensive ability.  

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

He's going to tell you that you can't rely on any of those things working out and that we need to make enough moves so Manoah and Max can be in AAA as depth starters and Santander can return as our 5th OFer.

And while there's some truth to that approach (which he's been preaching since the offseason), it's simply not realistic.  I think what you were trying to say is that while we do have some holes right now - we do have some internal options that may soon help fill some of those holes.  Will they all succeed and fill those holes?  No, but they should fill some of them, which is encouraging.  It's certainly better than not having quality internal options set to return soon.

You seem like in a pissy mood today.

A lot could happen from now until these guys are activated. Injuries, setbacks in rehabs etc. You can't just say "oh we're getting Varsho, Santander, Mad Max, and Yimi back, so problem solved!" Roster still needs improvements even with those guys back. 

[Masterbather]

53 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Ya there's a difference between building regular season rosters vs playoff rosters.  

Regular season - Complete depth matters to get through the year.  

Playoffs - Top 3 Starters, top 3/4 relievers, top 9 batters and their defensive ability.  

Exactly right, top three starters, top three or four relievers is what really matters in the postseason. 

We might have pretty good depth when it comes to our starting pitching once Max and Manoah come back, and that indeed may help us secure a playoff spot but then we're outgunned come the actual playoffs.

I know basketball is a little bit different but it's reminiscent of all those years when the Raptors had great depth but no superstar. All that depth hit a brick wall when they faced a true star like LeBron. Then they got Kawhi, and the rest is history.

[jaysblue]

6 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Exactly right, top three starters, top three or four relievers is what really matters in the postseason. 

We might have pretty good depth when it comes to our starting pitching once Max and Manoah come back, and that indeed may help us secure a playoff spot but then we're outgunned come the actual playoffs.

I know basketball is a little bit different but it's reminiscent of all those years when the Raptors had great depth but no superstar. All that depth hit a brick wall when they faced a true star like LeBron. Then they got Kawhi, and the rest is history.

Wasn't one of the Raptors strengths in 2019 the depth they had? Their second unit was one of the best in the game. Yes they had a superstar in Kawhi, but a lot of their role players played important roles. As well, defensively the team was much superior to the previous DeRozan/Lowry teams.