Diamondbacks (Nelson) vs Blue Jays (Gausman): 6/19/25, 3:07pm

[G-Snarls]

2 minutes ago, HomeRunHomer said:

Kirk starting the comeback :)

Don't call it a comeback 

[keggy]

Clase has loud tools, keep an eye on him

[BB17]

Bringing in Fisher with 2 outs and nobody on base down 4 is peak Schneider over managing 

[keggy]

Better get Hoffman warm just in case

[M.E.]

s*** happens.  Lets get that 5-1 home stand with the Sox coming in

[max silver]

1 hour ago, BB17 said:

Bringing in Fisher with 2 outs and nobody on base down 4 is peak Schneider over managing 

I have no issues with bringing in a quality reliever to keep the score close.

[John_Havok]

They say ya just gotta win series and they did, so its hard to be too upset.... but at the same time, losses like this one sting when your team's "best" pitcher is on the hill going for a sweep and he lays a complete omelet, not just an egg.

 

[BB17]

51 minutes ago, max silver said:

I have no issues with bringing in a quality reliever to keep the score close.

Yeah but the problem is you burn him for no reason. There was nobody on base and you are down 4 runs going into the bottom of the ninth. If anything it’s worse bringing in a quality reliever as it hurts you for tomorrow/the next day.

[G-Snarls]

39 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

They say ya just gotta win series and they did, so its hard to be too upset.... but at the same time, losses like this one sting when your team's "best" pitcher is on the hill going for a sweep and he lays a complete omelet, not just an egg.

 

The biggest problem is these wild card series being only 3 games and wondering what version of Gausman is going to show up in game 1 or 2. If he's bad you probably lose the game and the series and he doesn't get another chance. 

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, BB17 said:

Yeah but the problem is you burn him for no reason. There was nobody on base and you are down 4 runs going into the bottom of the ninth. If anything it’s worse bringing in a quality reliever as it hurts you for tomorrow/the next day.

The thing is, right now the Jays only have quality relievers except Green and he cant pitch every blowout inning. Sometimes a quality guy is gonna get mop up because....thats just how it is. 

[John_Havok]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

The biggest problem is these wild card series being only 3 games and wondering what version of Gausman is going to show up in game 1 or 2. If he's bad you probably lose the game and the series and he doesn't get another chance. 

True. FWIW, his FIP in the playoffs is decent at 3.63. ERA... 4.91.  He's got "I pitch well but when I do allow contact it always hurts" syndrome

[glory]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

The biggest problem is these wild card series being only 3 games and wondering what version of Gausman is going to show up in game 1 or 2. If he's bad you probably lose the game and the series and he doesn't get another chance. 

Yeah since the start of 2024 he's firmly in the "mid rotation starter" range, which is fine, but he can't be relied upon as a top of the rotation starter anymore. The Jays really need to find a way to get a top of the rotation starter, someone who can start Game 1 of a playoff series. The only 2 SP's I can think of that might be available next month are Alcantara and Peralta. The latter may not be available and if he is will likely cost a lot due to low salary + a team option next season. Alcantara really is the only option here, and then you hope the Jays defense + getting more comfortable post surgery gets him back on track. If they go for a mid rotation or lower SP, then that might be good enough to get in, but still limits their upside. 

[BB17]

37 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

The thing is, right now the Jays only have quality relievers except Green and he cant pitch every blowout inning. Sometimes a quality guy is gonna get mop up because....thats just how it is. 

I hear you if it was an inning but he literally brought fisher in to face one batter with 2 outs and nobody base down 4. Just let the guy pitching face another batter…

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

True. FWIW, his FIP in the playoffs is decent at 3.63. ERA... 4.91.  He's got "I pitch well but when I do allow contact it always hurts" syndrome

That's still not elite, and he's not even that guy anymore.

[Hogtown]

Gausman is completely washed. He's the new Francis as far as I'm concerned 

[BB17]

7 hours ago, keggy said:

Clase has loud tools, keep an eye on him

He’s probably ahead of Roden now for me just because of the ceiling and being a switch hitter. Hes still raw and the defense feels Raja Davis like but if he puts 80% of it together he can be a pretty damn good player.

[AMS528]

Gausman and Berrios are opposites cause Berrios somehow manages to keep runs of the board, and Gausman cannot at this point. Gaus is certainly better than this, but the 2022-2023 version is long gone now I think. 

We've gotta try for Peralta, and if not than Merrill Kelly has been really good this year as another pitcher to try and chase.  

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, AMS528 said:

Gausman and Berrios are opposites cause Berrios somehow manages to keep runs of the board, and Gausman cannot at this point. Gaus is certainly better than this, but the 2022-2023 version is long gone now I think. 

We've gotta try for Peralta, and if not than Merrill Kelly has been really good this year as another pitcher to try and chase.  

Going to be real tough to get a frontline arm at this deadline because it will definitely be a seller's market. Our best hope might actually be Manoah coming back in ace form.

Do I expect that to happen? No, he wasn't that guy before the injury so it's wishful thinking to expect that he will be after the injury. But at one point he was an ace caliber pitcher, so it's in there somewhere.

That or a guy like Yesavage makes a miracle rise, but I don't think that's likely either.

[jaysblue]

Jays best hopes might be if Max Scherzer comes back healthy and dominates for 15 starts and looks like an arm you can start in Game #1 or #2 of a WC series. 

As for trades, I doubt the Jays land Freddy Peralta or Sandy Alcantara. Brewers are in contention, so they might not even move Peralta at the deadline. As for Alcantara, banking on him getting back to 100% this season which isn't a guarantee. 

Merrill Kelly has been good this season and has experience in the Postseason, so would be a nice add. He would slot near the top of the Jays rotation currently right now lol. Zac Gallen could also be available, but he's had his struggles and you're unlikely to get his 2022/2023 form, but you never know what he can do over a 12 start stretch with a new team after the trade deadline. 

Would love to bring back Yuseu Kikuchi if the Angels would trade him. Gives the Jays a high K% arm who could start in a WC matchup and an arm as well for next season when Bassitt departs as a FA. 

[mphenhef]

34 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

 

Would love to bring back Yuseu Kikuchi if the Angels would trade him. Gives the Jays a high K% arm who could start in a WC matchup and an arm as well for next season when Bassitt departs as a FA. 

This would be awesome.  We could piggy back Berrios and Yusei in a game!

[Spanky__99]

11 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

The biggest problem is these wild card series being only 3 games and wondering what version of Gausman is going to show up in game 1 or 2. If he's bad you probably lose the game and the series and he doesn't get another chance. 

Jays are catching the Yankees bro... 🤔 

 

[max silver]

9 hours ago, BB17 said:

I hear you if it was an inning but he literally brought fisher in to face one batter with 2 outs and nobody base down 4. Just let the guy pitching face another batter…

Wasn't there a runner or two on base when Fisher came into the game? He only faced a single hitter, so that shouldn't have a massive effect on his availability for today's game at the very least. The team was making a lot of late inning noise so as mentioned I have zero issues with bringing in a more trusted reliever to quell the Dbacks rally before they added more runs and potentially put the game out of reach. 

[John_Havok]

7 hours ago, BB17 said:

He’s probably ahead of Roden now for me just because of the ceiling and being a switch hitter. Hes still raw and the defense feels Raja Davis like but if he puts 80% of it together he can be a pretty damn good player.

Bench guy for me, but a good one. 

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Jays best hopes might be if Max Scherzer comes back healthy and dominates for 15 starts and looks like an arm you can start in Game #1 or #2 of a WC series. 

As for trades, I doubt the Jays land Freddy Peralta or Sandy Alcantara. Brewers are in contention, so they might not even move Peralta at the deadline. As for Alcantara, banking on him getting back to 100% this season which isn't a guarantee. 

Merrill Kelly has been good this season and has experience in the Postseason, so would be a nice add. He would slot near the top of the Jays rotation currently right now lol. Zac Gallen could also be available, but he's had his struggles and you're unlikely to get his 2022/2023 form, but you never know what he can do over a 12 start stretch with a new team after the trade deadline. 

Would love to bring back Yuseu Kikuchi if the Angels would trade him. Gives the Jays a high K% arm who could start in a WC matchup and an arm as well for next season when Bassitt departs as a FA. 

I'd tread very carefully with Yusei, his K rate is down around 8 pwr 9 and walk rate is up near 5 per 9, but somehow still not giving up a lot of runs. I'd want to look under the hood more with him before targeting him

[Spanky__99]

7 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

I'd tread very carefully with Yusei, his K rate is down around 8 pwr 9 and walk rate is up near 5 per 9, but somehow still not giving up a lot of runs. I'd want to look under the hood more with him before targeting him

The Angels are 2 games out, no way their thinking of selling ATM, I only see 6 teams that'd be selling ATM... White Sox, Athletics, Nationals, Marlins, Pirates and Rox.

 

[Laika]

17 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

The Angels are 2 games out, no way their thinking of selling ATM, I only see 6 teams that'd be selling ATM... White Sox, Athletics, Nationals, Marlins, Pirates and Rox.

 

Yeah not many sellers.

A few more teams will fall out of it but the ones that tumble will probably only trade expiring contracts.

I am not sure I see a SP acquisition that is really worthwhile. 

Peralta is not getting dealt. Sale, AA said he isn't trading him. Kelly and Gallen and Eflin would be like trading for another Bassitt/Berrios. Alcantara has been so bad. 

Only thing that might make sense is paying A LOT for a guy with team control and upside on a bad team, like Edward Cabrera. 

[BatFlip]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

Bench guy for me, but a good one. 

Agreed.  Loud tools, but probably a solid bench guy.   

Interesting how quickly everyone has given up on Roden.  He's not young anymore, but it does remind a bit of Barger's struggles when he first came up.  Too early to waive the white flag.

 

 

[glory]

42 minutes ago, Laika said:

Yeah not many sellers.

A few more teams will fall out of it but the ones that tumble will probably only trade expiring contracts.

I am not sure I see a SP acquisition that is really worthwhile. 

Peralta is not getting dealt. Sale, AA said he isn't trading him. Kelly and Gallen and Eflin would be like trading for another Bassitt/Berrios. Alcantara has been so bad. 

Only thing that might make sense is paying A LOT for a guy with team control and upside on a bad team, like Edward Cabrera. 

Yeah it’s either a long term upside play for someone like Cabrera or all in play for someone like Alcantara. Peralta either won’t be moved or would cost way too much to acquire. Anything beyond that probably isn’t a difference maker. Depends on what the mindset is. If it’s “just get in”, then a mid rotation SP works but won’t help push the team’s upside forward. If it’s to get in and actually have a shot, then they have to think big. Options are definitely limited.

I think Alcantara is probably the guy. Whether the Jays have enough to get him, especially if they want to avoid giving up Nimmala, is the question. 

[Brownie19]

18 hours ago, Masterbather said:

God I miss the feeling of having Roy Halladay on the mound.

Really haven't had that feeling since, even with Robbie Ray even when Gausman was really good, still never felt that same confidence.

I truly hope you're not surprised by this.  Doc was a HOF pitcher - the best to wear the Jays uniform (for an extended period).

How often do you expect the Jays to have a pitcher as good as Doc on their roster?  They call them "generational talents" for a reason right?

All that said, Gauman's 2022 was on par with the best seasons Doc had in a Blue Jays uniform, albeit in 50-70 fewer innings pitched.

[Brownie19]

10 hours ago, Hogtown said:

Gausman is completely washed. He's the new Francis as far as I'm concerned 

That's right up there as one of the dumbest things I've heard this year.