Report: Blue Jays Talks With Pete Alonso "Advancing"

[Spanky99]

27 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Hector treading the line of becoming this year's Morosi lol

Hector isn't lying. They did kibosh his rumour on Santander, they also were saying we had 13M to spend a few weeks back, most of these guys are birds, they're singing for Ross now.

[Jays24]

6 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

Hector isn't lying. They did kibosh his rumour on Santander, they also were saying we had 13M to spend a few weeks back, most of these guys are birds, they're singing for Ross now.

Hey I'm with you... our writers have been poo pooing our entire off-season.  Really hope Hector is right because I'm salivating thinking of all the home runs we could see with Alonso in the lineup. 

[Rusty_Savage]

I still think he goes back to the Mets 

[glory]

38 minutes ago, Rusty_Savage said:

I still think he goes back to the Mets 

I think this is the most likely scenario. No reason for the Mets not to do a 3 year deal with opt outs. 

The question is where do the Jays pivot to if/when that happens? Profar would have been ideal but that option is gone now. Not much else available in free agency. I guess they'd invest in the rotation (which they need to do anyway) and maybe try to find a trade piece for the offense. 

[Brownie19]

15 minutes ago, glory said:

I think this is the most likely scenario. No reason for the Mets not to do a 3 year deal with opt outs. 

The question is where do the Jays pivot to if/when that happens? Profar would have been ideal but that option is gone now. Not much else available in free agency. I guess they'd invest in the rotation (which they need to do anyway) and maybe try to find a trade piece for the offense. 

My gut also tells me Alonso is going back to the Mets.  The best angle I see is that Vientos can't play 3rd and if the Mets are horny to land Vlad, you can't have Vlad, Alonso and Vientos and one would have to go next year.

Bregman is the best positional fit, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't join the Tigers (what are those guys doing?).  

A trade for Robert seems like the next logical pivot.  I'd be pretty happy if we landed Robert as a 2nd big bat.

[Eat My Shatkins]

6 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

My gut also tells me Alonso is going back to the Mets.  The best angle I see is that Vientos can't play 3rd and if the Mets are horny to land Vlad, you can't have Vlad, Alonso and Vientos and one would have to go next year.

Bregman is the best positional fit, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't join the Tigers (what are those guys doing?).  

A trade for Robert seems like the next logical pivot.  I'd be pretty happy if we landed Robert as a 2nd big bat.

This is why to me Vientos as part f the return for Vlad (if traded) makes a ton of sense. Plus add a 2-3 of their top 5-10 prospects. Then take some of the money that would have been earmarked for Vlad and go guns a blazing for Bregman. Maybe you even still try to snag Alonso too, even if you plan to play Vientos at 1B. 

Bregman/Alonso/Vientos/2-3 prospects instead of Vlad at $450 million.

Then look to trade a couple of Schneider/Clement/Loperfido for relievers with some control.

 

[BTS]

18 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

My gut also tells me Alonso is going back to the Mets.  The best angle I see is that Vientos can't play 3rd and if the Mets are horny to land Vlad, you can't have Vlad, Alonso and Vientos and one would have to go next year.

Bregman is the best positional fit, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't join the Tigers (what are those guys doing?).  

A trade for Robert seems like the next logical pivot.  I'd be pretty happy if we landed Robert as a 2nd big bat.

What does the team even have to trade for Robert?

[glory]

23 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

My gut also tells me Alonso is going back to the Mets.  The best angle I see is that Vientos can't play 3rd and if the Mets are horny to land Vlad, you can't have Vlad, Alonso and Vientos and one would have to go next year.

Bregman is the best positional fit, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't join the Tigers (what are those guys doing?).  

A trade for Robert seems like the next logical pivot.  I'd be pretty happy if we landed Robert as a 2nd big bat.

Robert would be a nice trade target but hard to see the Jays having the prospect capital to get it done, though the White Sox aren’t exactly the best run organization. 

I forgot Bregman was still out there. I still want no part of him on a long term deal, and I would imagine the Jays don’t either. Santander had to defer like 60% of his contract to get the Jays to go to a 5th year so not sure they’d want to big years on Bregman who is older and already showing signs of decline. Sounds like the Astros may still have interest in him, which seems like the most logical fit if that’s the case.

[Brownie19]

2 hours ago, BTS said:

What does the team even have to trade for Robert?

He's coming off a bad season and is often injured.  He's due $15M this year (but with only a $8.333M luxury tax amount) and then has club options for 2026 and 2027 at $20M.

So - he's not as "affordable" as he once was and I'm not sure his value has ever been lower. 

I certainly think the Jays have the prospects to land him.  Something built around some of our recently drafted players, or around Ricky T should get the job done.

One advantage of never developing prospects is you don't have to worry about "letting one get away" 😉

[Laika]

No cap I'm not sure Robert is even worth more than Andres Gimenez was 

[Jimcanuck]

The Jays seem to negotiating with Alonso and Vlad simultaneously.  Obviously they prefer to sign Vlad, but if those negotiations fail, get Alonso for a shorter term and less money and trade fatass to reload the farm.

I'm not even close to thinking this team is a legit WS contender.

[Jays24]

4 hours ago, Rusty_Savage said:

I still think he goes back to the Mets 

Gosh, you're such a wet blanket, have some faith!!

[Jays24]

43 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

The Jays seem to negotiating with Alonso and Vlad simultaneously.  Obviously they prefer to sign Vlad, but if those negotiations fail, get Alonso for a shorter term and less money and trade fatass to reload the farm.

I'm not even close to thinking this team is a legit WS contender.

If the Jays land Alonso/Scherzer, which AL team is for sure better than us? 

[Rusty_Savage]

9 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Gosh, you're such a wet blanket, have some faith!!

Lol. 

 

Lol. 

[jerb]

 

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

If the Jays land Alonso/Scherzer, which AL team is for sure better than us? 

Probably the Os?

[Stangstag]

37 minutes ago, jerb said:

 

Kinda crazy. Although Cohen seems like a spiteful dude so maybe Alonso gave him a noogie or something during the celebration after the WC round

[Stangstag]

2 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

The Jays seem to negotiating with Alonso and Vlad simultaneously.  Obviously they prefer to sign Vlad, but if those negotiations fail, get Alonso for a shorter term and less money and trade fatass to reload the farm.

I'm not even close to thinking this team is a legit WS contender.

Jesus christ people

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, jerb said:

 

Git R' Done Ross

[Jimcanuck]

2 hours ago, Jays24 said:

If the Jays land Alonso/Scherzer, which AL team is for sure better than us? 

I would put the Yankees, Orioles, Twins, Rangers ahead even assuming Alonso and Scherzer go to the Jays.  Mariners, Astros, and Red Sox right behind.  It is likely the Red Sox at least make additions (Bregman).

In the NL probably another 5 or 6 teams ahead of the Jays.

I would assume a rotation that includes Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, and Scherzer would return quite a bit less than its projected WAR.

 

[Jays24]

11 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

I would put the Yankees, Orioles, Twins, Rangers ahead even assuming Alonso and Scherzer go to the Jays.  Mariners, Astros, and Red Sox right behind.  It is likely the Red Sox at least make additions (Bregman).

In the NL probably another 5 or 6 teams ahead of the Jays.

I would assume a rotation that includes Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, and Scherzer would return quite a bit less than its projected WAR.

 

Not a fan of a the Yankees tbh.  Their offense was mainly 2 players last year and they just lost 1 of them.  

Orioles will always be a threat with their core but lost Burnes and Santandar.

Astros lost tucker and most likely Bregman.  

My point is that almost every team in the AL feels the same or worse, the Jays could easily be there with any of them. 

It's the NL where there are much better teams than the Jays without question. 

[purplehaze89]

 

 Boras putting in work

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, purplehaze89 said:

 

 Boras putting in work

He better put in work, he is going to cost Bregman and Alonso a lot of money lol.  Their best offers were the original ones from their teams.

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Probably the Os?

Yankees still. 

[Jimcanuck]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Not a fan of a the Yankees tbh.  Their offense was mainly 2 players last year and they just lost 1 of them.  

Orioles will always be a threat with their core but lost Burnes and Santandar.

Astros lost tucker and most likely Bregman.  

My point is that almost every team in the AL feels the same or worse, the Jays could easily be there with any of them. 

It's the NL where there are much better teams than the Jays without question. 

My view is the offense will be better but the rotation will collapse.

I went through the 1994 to 2012 period.  The annual FA signings to put bandaids on a flawed team.  This is what the last few years remind me of.  It never works.

[Jays24]

11 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

My view is the offense will be better but the rotation will collapse.

I went through the 1994 to 2012 period.  The annual FA signings to put bandaids on a flawed team.  This is what the last few years remind me of.  It never works.

Ya but baseball expanded its playoffs since then so that's a big reason for any optimism.  For baseball playoffs you just want to get in and look respectable doing it.  

[jaysblue]

I would never count out the Yankees or Red Sox and the Rays after a down season in 2024 are bound to bounce back and be a sleeper. AL East is still the toughest division in the AL. 

Mariners pitching staff is the best, but they need some bats. Astros still should be solid even after losing Tucker and Bregman, but not the same force as they were before in previous years. Rangers should bounce back. Athletics are my sleeper team in 2025 and see them snagging one of the WC spots. 

Cleveland didn't really do much IMO. Twins look like they have the best all-around roster in the AL Central. Royals should be good again, but not really any huge improvements. Tigers should continue to get better with their young roster but haven't made any big additions. 

[Terminator]

3 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

I would never count out the Yankees or Red Sox and the Rays after a down season in 2024 are bound to bounce back and be a sleeper. AL East is still the toughest division in the AL. 

Mariners pitching staff is the best, but they need some bats. Astros still should be solid even after losing Tucker and Bregman, but not the same force as they were before in previous years. Rangers should bounce back. Athletics are my sleeper team in 2025 and see them snagging one of the WC spots. 

Cleveland didn't really do much IMO. Twins look like they have the best all-around roster in the AL Central. Royals should be good again, but not really any huge improvements. Tigers should continue to get better with their young roster but haven't made any big additions. 

Well if the A's are our main competition for the last WC spot then I think it's safe to say that the playoffs will be easy to make.

[Terminator]

Boras tried to get the Mets to up their offer yesterday and they won't do it.

Now Boras is trying to get the Angels involved to compete with the Jays.

Alonso is a Florida guy from Tampa so the Angels don't scare me too much.

 

[Carlos Danger]

5 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Boras tried to get the Mets to up their offer yesterday and they won't do it.

Now Boras is trying to get the Angels involved to compete with the Jays.

Alonso is a Florida guy from Tampa so the Angels don't scare me too much.

 

Watch him pull a Burnes and sign with the Rays.  One, hometown, two, if he wants a pillow contract to rebuild his value, the Rays will be playing in a AAA park outside in the heat where his HRs will carry further.