Rumor from some nobody on Twitter - Corbin Burnes to Jays for 7/252M

[glory]

I don’t think this has anything to do with Boras. X/Twitter has become a cesspool of randoms who want to troll by acting like they have sources. If they happen to guess right once then they suddenly gain credibility in the eyes of some rumor hungry baseball fans. I don’t think Boras is leaking this to randoms. If Heyman (notorious Boras boot licker) said the Jays had a $250m offer, then it would be more likely to be a Boras leak. This is just some dude throwing s*** at the wall. If he’s right, then he can make up another rumor 12 months from now that gets engagement. Rinse and repeat.

[Brownie19]

30- 4 WAR

31- 4

32- 3.5

33- 3

34- 2.5

35- 2

36- 1.5

 

20.5 Total WAR across 7 years for 252 million.

 

Not sure this way of projecting works for pitchers since the injury risk is higher but that's 12 million per WAR. Seems high but I think that's where we are at these days.

 

Probably. I do remember a few years ago when it actually seemed like $/WAR was decreasing (I think when it was around $9M/WAR) - those days are likely over.

[burlingtonbandit]

Probably. I do remember a few years ago when it actually seemed like $/WAR was decreasing (I think when it was around $9M/WAR) - those days are likely over.

 

Right when Covid hit there was uncertainty about where Revenues were headed, and looking back on it that would have been an ideal time to sign players to long term deals. The Mookie deal comes to mind a lot.

 

Obviously easy to say in hindsight now. Hell, I'm sure team would rather go back a month and sign Kikuchi for 3/75M then what the prices are now. People may hate Boras but I'll give him credit because his Soto deal has driven up the market and every other FA player should be grateful for how much extra he will make them.

[Terminator]

Right when Covid hit there was uncertainty about where Revenues were headed, and looking back on it that would have been an ideal time to sign players to long term deals. The Mookie deal comes to mind a lot.

 

Obviously easy to say in hindsight now. Hell, I'm sure team would rather go back a month and sign Kikuchi for 3/75M then what the prices are now. People may hate Boras but I'll give him credit because his Soto deal has driven up the market and every other FA player should be grateful for how much extra he will make them.

 

Last year was a good time too. There was all the guys that signed super late but even upping the offer for Ohtani significantly would have been wise in light of Soto getting 765 mil.

 

In retrospect the Jays should have offered something like 12 years and 560 million. That might have got him over the 10 for 460 the Dodgers offered.

[L54]

30- 4 WAR

31- 4

32- 3.5

33- 3

34- 2.5

35- 2

36- 1.5

 

20.5 Total WAR across 7 years for 252 million.

 

Not sure this way of projecting works for pitchers since the injury risk is higher but that's 12 million per WAR. Seems high but I think that's where we are at these days.

 

Eno said the other day on his pod that it is inching towards that number. I think he said 11M

[G-Snarls]

Last year was a good time too. There was all the guys that signed super late but even upping the offer for Ohtani significantly would have been wise in light of Soto getting 765 mil.

 

In retrospect the Jays should have offered something like 12 years and 560 million. That might have got him over the 10 for 460 the Dodgers offered.

 

Dodgers were always going to get Ohtani. They spent two years paring down payroll in anticipation and he almost certainly wanted to go there anyway.

 

The hindsight problem was not nailing down Vladdy for <350M a year or two ago. If that was possible.

[Terminator]

Dodgers were always going to get Ohtani

 

Probably but add another 100 million onto the offer (essentially blowing away the 10 for 460) and they start sweating.

[burlingtonbandit]

I feel like the 2 ones that got away the most and that could have the franchise looking a whole lot better right now would be if the traded/signed Lindor or if they signed Seager as a FA.

[G-Snarls]

I feel like the 2 ones that got away the most and that could have the franchise looking a whole lot better right now would be if the traded/signed Lindor or if they signed Seager as a FA.

 

Lindor has aged better than most expected

Would have been great here

[wilko]

Lindor has aged better than most expected

Would have been great here

 

I would have put money on it that he was going to fall off a cliff way before now. Turned out to be a great deal.... for now

[mellowgold]

100%

I really, really wanted Lindor. I was pretty happy with Springer at the time but I just felt like Lindor was the perfect target and the perfect fit here.

Oh well, at least we got the guy who was traded for Lindor...

[Brownie19]

Dodgers were always going to get Ohtani. They spent two years paring down payroll in anticipation and he almost certainly wanted to go there anyway.

 

The hindsight problem was not nailing down Vladdy for <350M a year or two ago. If that was possible.

 

Highsight is so much fun. Can you imagine signing Vlad for $300M+ a year ago coming off a 118 wRC+, 1.3 WAR season and just 1 great season under this belt? I mean Atkins would look like a genius if you just blindly ignore the red flags and risks involved with that decision. Can you imagine if they locked up Bo for $300M after the 2023 season? ohhh lots of fun.

 

Yet fans still have the audacity to suggest Atkins is a moron for not having extended Vlad and/or Bo by now - not only ignoring the huge risks those would have been, but also ignoring that those players would have had to been willing to sign extensions.

[Dick_Pole]

If we are going to go with what-ifs, it should start with the team having done absolutely anything better in terms of drafting and developing. What the Jays have done in terms of free agency and trades should be more than enough to build a winner. No regrets about Lindor, Seager or anyone else. Problem is they were building a team from the ashes of a farm system that has provided nothing from Manoah onwards. Jobber role players with a couple hot months or who are fodder for free agent contract trades notwithstanding. A team that acquires Berrios, Gausman, Springer, Kikuchi, Chapman, Varsho, Bassitt and supplements it with guys like KK and even Semien for a year should not need to get even more guys outside the organization to win.

[Brownie19]

I would have put money on it that he was going to fall off a cliff way before now. Turned out to be a great deal.... for now

 

100% I think most were concerned that Lindor may have peaked and with the inevitable declines to speed and defense, he may be more of a good/great player than a superstar. Those concerns were elevated after his first year in NY, where he repeated his below average (for him) 2020 season and went a combined 770 PA's with a wRC+ in the low 100's.

 

Kudos for him for turning it around and resuming his path to Cooperstown. The guy has found another gear in his age 28-30 years and one would reasonably expect it to continue for at least another couple of years.

 

Hopefully Gimenez's bat has a similar turnaround (not that he'll ever hit like Lindor - but relative to where he's been).

[Masterbather]

Highsight is so much fun. Can you imagine signing Vlad for $300M+ a year ago coming off a 118 wRC+, 1.3 WAR season and just 1 great season under this belt? I mean Atkins would look like a genius if you just blindly ignore the red flags and risks involved with that decision. Can you imagine if they locked up Bo for $300M after the 2023 season? ohhh lots of fun.

 

Yet fans still have the audacity to suggest Atkins is a moron for not having extended Vlad and/or Bo by now - not only ignoring the huge risks those would have been, but also ignoring that those players would have had to been willing to sign extensions.

 

I'm not angry at Atkins for not signing them, I'm angry that they're waiting too long to make a decision one way or the other. Speaking of audacity, you have to be audacious as a GM and have the balls to pick a path on big decisions and go with it. It should not come down to their final year. Both of them should have been settled by now, and should be settled no later than opening day. It's like the mistake the Raptors made with Pascal Siakam last year.

[TorontonianJD]

Ken Rosenthal:

 

 

Atkins has got to be fired. No doubt word’s gotten around the league about how terrible this FO is.

[Brownie19]

Ken Rosenthal:

 

 

Atkins has got to be fired. No doubt word’s gotten around the league about how terrible this FO is.

 

Atkins should be fired because Burnes wants to return to the west coast, where his home is? Tough to argue with that logic.

[burlingtonbandit]

If we are going to go with what-ifs, it should start with the team having done absolutely anything better in terms of drafting and developing. What the Jays have done in terms of free agency and trades should be more than enough to build a winner. No regrets about Lindor, Seager or anyone else. Problem is they were building a team from the ashes of a farm system that has provided nothing from Manoah onwards. Jobber role players with a couple hot months or who are fodder for free agent contract trades notwithstanding. A team that acquires Berrios, Gausman, Springer, Kikuchi, Chapman, Varsho, Bassitt and supplements it with guys like KK and even Semien for a year should not need to get even more guys outside the organization to win.

 

Kirk actually has been pretty good but yeah the drafting has been terrible. Tons of misses in the first round even with some high picks. And when you consider they upgraded their facilities to "state of the art" it makes it the drafting/developing look even worse.

 

It likely takes time to flush out old coaches/player development principles but they've had 10 years now which is more than enough time to see progress.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Well f***

 

Was hoping to get up and see this had actually happened.

 

Of course it f***ing didn't. Just another twitter numbskull posting unverified s***. To what end I'll never understand.

 

Going to get blueballed again as the f***ing runner up.

[Bone R]

My sources tell me Burnes wants to play on the west coast. The Jays $252M offer is accurate but Burnes is using it as leverage to get more money from the Giants or Angels. If they don't move, Jays are still in play.

[Brownie19]

Kirk actually has been pretty good but yeah the drafting has been terrible. Tons of misses in the first round even with some high picks. And when you consider they upgraded their facilities to "state of the art" it makes it the drafting/developing look even worse.

 

It likely takes time to flush out old coaches/player development principles but they've had 10 years now which is more than enough time to see progress.

 

I've suggested this several times now, but the previous 2 regimes were also pretty awful at drafting/developing players. It isn't limited to just Atkins. No idea why - perhaps the facilities were a major issue? Perhaps it will take longer for the new facilities to pay off? Someone did post that the Jays organization had some of the best statcast numbers in the minors last year (on the hitting side I believe). I believe last year was the 3rd full year the new facility was open, so maybe it's starting to pay off?

 

I really have no idea, but I can observe that the current FO isn't the only ones to have sucked goats at this.

[burlingtonbandit]

I've suggested this several times now, but the previous 2 regimes were also pretty awful at drafting/developing players. It isn't limited to just Atkins. No idea why - perhaps the facilities were a major issue? Perhaps it will take longer for the new facilities to pay off? Someone did post that the Jays organization had some of the best statcast numbers in the minors last year (on the hitting side I believe). I believe last year was the 3rd full year the new facility was open, so maybe it's starting to pay off?

 

I really have no idea, but I can observe that the current FO isn't the only ones to have sucked goats at this.

 

Probably a combination of facilities, coaching and drafting. I think I saw in the BA prospects chat for the Jays the guy doing the chat commented how the Jays missed on a lot of draft picks especially in the 22 draft.

 

Watch them finally have all the correct tools in place now and then the FO gets fired only for a year/2 down the line to see the farm system finally pay dividends lol.

[Spanky99]

Kudos to the mod that changed the title of this thread.

[RustyTrombone]

My sources tell me Burnes wants to play on the west coast. The Jays $252M offer is accurate but Burnes is using it as leverage to get more money from the Giants or Angels. If they don't move, Jays are still in play.

 

???

[Jonn]

I don't know why anyone would want to be in San Francisco right now considering how much of a s*** hole its turned into since they decriminalized a lot of drugs. Like it's so bad. I love the Bay Area its so sad to see what happened to it.

[Jays24]

Kudos to the mod that changed the title of this thread.

 

Loll I only posted it because I've seen KingSarcasm be right before. It was his commenting on the tweet that made me think there's a chance lol

[hanton]

???

 

it was reported yesterday by MLB Network (he met with the Giants yesterday as well)

[Brownie19]

Probably a combination of facilities, coaching and drafting. I think I saw in the BA prospects chat for the Jays the guy doing the chat commented how the Jays missed on a lot of draft picks especially in the 22 draft.

 

Watch them finally have all the correct tools in place now and then the FO gets fired only for a year/2 down the line to see the farm system finally pay dividends lol.

 

I saw bring it on. I LOVE following prospects and watching young players come up and develop. It's been painful watching the Jays suck balls at this for 15+ years. I'm so ready for it to change.

[Barrelsandbombs]

My sources tell me Burnes wants to play on the west coast. The Jays $252M offer is accurate but Burnes is using it as leverage to get more money from the Giants or Angels. If they don't move, Jays are still in play.

 

I think Boras is trying to get the Angels involved because the Giants are calling their bluff against Boras/Burnes trying to use the Blue Jays as leverage, and not raising their offer enough for Boras. Everyone knows now that he wants to be closer to home on the west coast, so Boras is trying to get the Angels involved as another west coast team for better leverage.

[jaysblue]

I don't know why anyone would want to be in San Francisco right now considering how much of a s*** hole its turned into since they decriminalized a lot of drugs. Like it's so bad. I love the Bay Area its so sad to see what happened to it.

 

Has it really got that bad?

 

Last time I was there was in 2015.