Jays in 2025

[jaysblue]

Possible 3B trade candidates: Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger.

 

Manny Machado but would have to eat a lot of contract and that's IF the Padres want to move him. As well, Nolan Arenado, but his contract could be an issue and that's IF the Cards want to move him. Their contracts should reduce the asking price.

[Brownie19]

Possible 3B trade candidates: Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger.

 

Manny Machado but would have to eat a lot of contract and that's IF the Padres want to move him. As well, Nolan Arenado, but his contract could be an issue and that's IF the Cards want to move him. Their contracts should reduce the asking price.

 

I don't understand why anyone would want Ryan McMahon. He's essentially IKF who's locked up for 3 more years at $11.7M AAV. People HATED us taking IKF for 2 years at $7.5M AAV. He's a career 90 wRC+ hitter. I'm not sure I want him started at 3rd base if Colorado paid his entire contract. I think I'd rather platoon Ernie and Barger.

[max silver]

Possible 3B trade candidates: Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger.

 

Manny Machado but would have to eat a lot of contract and that's IF the Padres want to move him. As well, Nolan Arenado, but his contract could be an issue and that's IF the Cards want to move him. Their contracts should reduce the asking price.

 

Wow McMahon has really fallen on hard times in recent months. I hadn't checked in on him for some time after the hot start.

 

Mar/Apr 134 wRC+

May 106 wRC+

June 91 wRC+

July 91 wRC+

Aug -38 wRC+

[Brownie19]

You mean McMahon has regressed back to his career norms? Shocking from a 29 year old hitter with almost a 30% k rate.

[burlingtonbandit]

C Kirk/______

1B Guerrero

2B Horwtiz

SS Bichette

3B _______

RF Springer

CF Varsho

LF Rooker

DH _______

 

BN Schneider

BN Clement

BN Loperfido

BN _______

 

SP Gausman

SP _______

SP Bassitt

SP Berrios

SP Rodriguez

 

Jays should be able to sign one of the following front of the rotation arms available this offseason: Snell, Burnes (ace), Fried, Flaherty, Bieber (misses time likely earlier in the season), or bring back Kikuchi. Should be the main focus of free agency.

 

Not many 3B available other than Bregman or Chapman. Likely will be a bit pricey. Not sure if there are any trade options or they roll with Clement.

 

As for another LF/DH bat, can easily sign someone like Joc Pederson, Tyler O'Neill, Jesse Winker, Jurickson Profar, Teo Hernandez, Anthony Santander, Michael Conforto, Max Kepler etc. Plenty of options available. Can't botch that situation again.

 

Bullpen should be easy to repair via free agency and gotta hope for some bounce backs from Romano, Swanson, and Green.

 

That looks like the foundation of a 75 win team honestly. I mean sure if they added Burnes, Chapman, Pederson and a couple good relievers they would be pretty good but I don't see that happening since Jays will have to overpay for FA.

 

The pitching depth looks super thin to a rotation that is going to be a year older with more wear and tear on it too. I don't even think Swanson should be tendered a contract at this point.

[jaysblue]

Wow McMahon has really fallen on hard times in recent months. I hadn't checked in on him for some time after the hot start.

 

Mar/Apr 134 wRC+

May 106 wRC+

June 91 wRC+

July 91 wRC+

Aug -38 wRC+

 

Yeah he has really struggled as of late offensively.

 

Still has a 2.1 WAR season thus far and likely will finish between 2.5 and 3 WAR. Offensively he isn't anything special but he's a bat who could give you .240 with 20-25 HR and 70-80 RBI, along with close to 3 WAR. Having him bat at the bottom of the order like 7th is fine.

 

His deal includes a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026.

[jaysblue]

I don't understand why anyone would want Ryan McMahon. He's essentially IKF who's locked up for 3 more years at $11.7M AAV. People HATED us taking IKF for 2 years at $7.5M AAV. He's a career 90 wRC+ hitter. I'm not sure I want him started at 3rd base if Colorado paid his entire contract. I think I'd rather platoon Ernie and Barger.

 

Just listed some possible 3B trade candidates.

 

Still has a 2.1 WAR season thus far and likely will finish between 2.5 and 3 WAR. Offensively he isn't anything special but he's a bat who could give you .240 with 20-25 HR and 70-80 RBI, along with close to 3 WAR. Having him bat at the bottom of the order like 7th is fine.

 

His deal includes a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026 and $11.7M AAV isn't that bad. We also saw glimpses of his potential earlier this season. Not sure he can be consistent enough to put it together over a full season, but that's fine. If he's hitting at the bottom of the lineup, who cares.

 

Pretty much would be similar to IKF, but even IKF this season has been producing better than his career averages. Can IKF keep up a 116 wRC+ for an entire year or post up a 3 WAR season consistently? He likely regresses back to being a 80 wRC+ and 1.5/2 WAR guy. McMahon at least can hit 20-25 HR and has some more potential offensively IMO.

[Spanky99]

Yeah he has really struggled as of late offensively.

 

Still has a 2.1 WAR season thus far and likely will finish between 2.5 and 3 WAR. Offensively he isn't anything special but he's a bat who could give you .240 with 20-25 HR and 70-80 RBI, along with close to 3 WAR. Having him bat at the bottom of the order like 7th is fine.

 

His deal includes a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026.

 

A wRC+ of 85 away from Coors... Woof. I'd rather just roll with Clement.

[jaysblue]

That looks like the foundation of a 75 win team honestly. I mean sure if they added Burnes, Chapman, Pederson and a couple good relievers they would be pretty good but I don't see that happening since Jays will have to overpay for FA.

 

The pitching depth looks super thin to a rotation that is going to be a year older with more wear and tear on it too. I don't even think Swanson should be tendered a contract at this point.

 

Yeah and that's even if they traded for Rooker haha. Still a lot needs to be done and a lot of things need to go right in order to get this team back to an 88-90 win team.

 

Pederson or a similar profile bat won't be too difficult to add. The Jays FO cannot fail again this offseason. Chapman likely will cost more money given his resurgence with the Giants and Burnes for sure gets a huge contract.

 

When is Bieber expected back? He likely can be signed on a 1-2 year deal, maybe with an opt out.

 

Trade route for 3B is likely the best bet - or you just platoon Clement/Barger.

[jaysblue]

A wRC+ of 85 away from Coors... Woof. I'd rather just roll with Clement.

 

Sure, that's an option as well, but then the Jays need to go hard after a bat like Rooker, and at least another OF bat.

 

Can Clement give the Jays a 2.5 - 3 WAR season if playing on a regular basis?

[max silver]

A wRC+ of 85 away from Coors... Woof. I'd rather just roll with Clement.

 

McMahon is sitting at 107 wRC+ away from Coors this season. We shall see if he can put together another hot streak at the plate or if the current struggles continue as he's on track for a career season with the bat at this point.

[Spanky99]

Sure, that's an option as well, but then the Jays need to go hard after a bat like Rooker, and at least another OF bat.

 

Can Clement give the Jays a 2.5 - 3 WAR season if playing on a regular basis?

 

Can McMahon away from Coors, I'm sure Clement or Barger can handle the job at league min over McMahon's 11M+? Hard pass, Jays only have so much money to go around. They need 2 power bats and a SP to start.

[Brownie19]

Just listed some possible 3B trade candidates.

 

Still has a 2.1 WAR season thus far and likely will finish between 2.5 and 3 WAR. Offensively he isn't anything special but he's a bat who could give you .240 with 20-25 HR and 70-80 RBI, along with close to 3 WAR. Having him bat at the bottom of the order like 7th is fine.

 

His deal includes a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026 and $11.7M AAV isn't that bad. We also saw glimpses of his potential earlier this season. Not sure he can be consistent enough to put it together over a full season, but that's fine. If he's hitting at the bottom of the lineup, who cares.

 

Pretty much would be similar to IKF, but even IKF this season has been producing better than his career averages. Can IKF keep up a 116 wRC+ for an entire year or post up a 3 WAR season consistently? He likely regresses back to being a 80 wRC+ and 1.5/2 WAR guy. McMahon at least can hit 20-25 HR and has some more potential offensively IMO.

 

So is McMahon this year. Nobody has any idea of IKF or McMahon can repeat what they've done at the plate this season. It's likely that neither can. I also think I'd rather put Vlad at 3rd fulltime over bringing in Jake Burger. He's a butcher defensively. Sorry to s*** on your suggestions, but I don't think either are good ones.

[The_DH]

If we can get real LF and DH, then we could probably go with what we have at 3b. Spend the rest of the money on pitching.

[jaysblue]

So is McMahon this year. Nobody has any idea of IKF or McMahon can repeat what they've done at the plate this season. It's likely that neither can. I also think I'd rather put Vlad at 3rd fulltime over bringing in Jake Burger. He's a butcher defensively. Sorry to s*** on your suggestions, but I don't think either are good ones.

 

I just listed some 3B trade candidates who likely are available. Just some baseball discussion. You're not s***ing on any suggestions because I never made any lol. Again, you're proving why you're the most arrogant poster on this board.

 

Sure if the Jays can't afford signing Bregman or Chapman, they either likely have to go the trade route (and I listed some possible trade candidates at 3B) or I said just roll with Clement at 3B.

[jaysblue]

Can McMahon away from Coors, I'm sure Clement or Barger can handle the job at league min over McMahon's 11M+? Hard pass, Jays only have so much money to go around. They need 2 power bats and a SP to start.

 

Yeah agreed. So hopefully they can make two big additions at LF and DH, along with one of the FA arms available. Then you can afford to roll with Clement at 3B.

[Spanky99]

Yeah agreed. So hopefully they can make two big additions at LF and DH, along with one of the FA arms available. Then you can afford to roll with Clement at 3B.

 

Yeah and a BP arm or 2.

[Brownie19]

I just listed some 3B trade candidates who likely are available. Just some baseball discussion. You're not s***ing on any suggestions because I never made any lol. Again, you're proving why you're the most arrogant poster on this board.

 

Sure if the Jays can't afford signing Bregman or Chapman, they either likely have to go the trade route (and I listed some possible trade candidates at 3B) or I said just roll with Clement at 3B.

 

Sorry man. Not trying to be arrogant or a dick, but typically when people are identifying trade options, they are for players they think would be good fits and help the team. I didn't realize you were just listing players who aren't upgrades over what we have, nor a good use of the remaining budget.

 

Other 3rd basemen who are likely available for trade:

 

Jeimer Cadelario

Anthony Rendon

JD Davis

Chris Taylor

Oswaldo Cabrera

[Spanky99]

lmao

[jaysblue]

Sorry man. Not trying to be arrogant or a dick, but typically when people are identifying trade options, they are for players they think would be good fits and help the team. I didn't realize you were just listing players who aren't upgrades over what we have, nor a good use of the remaining budget.

 

Other 3rd basemen who are likely available for trade:

 

Jeimer Cadelario

Anthony Rendon

JD Davis

Chris Taylor

Oswaldo Cabrera

 

You're one of the worst and most insufferable posters on this board. Your arrogance when just having a simple baseball discussion is baffling. Posters like you make this message board a toxic place especially for new members and even long standing members.

 

Like seriously, there is no point in having any baseball discussion with you around. You're so condescending and pretentious.

 

For mentioning Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger as possible trade candidates. Geez lol! You really need to chill.

[Jimcanuck]

You're one of the worst and most insufferable posters on this board. Your arrogance when just having a simple baseball discussion is baffling. Posters like you make this message board a toxic place especially for new members and even long standing members.

 

Like seriously, there is no point in having any baseball discussion with you around. You're so condescending and pretentious.

 

For mentioning Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger as possible trade candidates. Geez lol! You really need to chill.

 

What I see is a discussion, with one side of the discussion being thin skinned.

 

FWIW, Machado would be interesting. I don't think he's ever been 100% this season. If he bounces back to his normal 120-130 wRC+, Machado and Vlad would be a great combo.

[Brownie19]

You're one of the worst and most insufferable posters on this board. Your arrogance when just having a simple baseball discussion is baffling. Posters like you make this message board a toxic place especially for new members and even long standing members.

 

Like seriously, there is no point in having any baseball discussion with you around. You're so condescending and pretentious.

 

For mentioning Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger as possible trade candidates. Geez lol! You really need to chill.

 

You say "I just listed some 3B trade candidates who likely are available. Just some baseball discussion". I responded with my views on those players and why they aren't good option for the Jays. That's literally the definition of a discussion. Put your shield down, pull up your big boy pants and have a discussion man. I've mean no harm and am here to discuss baseball.

[Brownie19]

What I see is a discussion, with one side of the discussion being thin skinned.

 

FWIW, Machado would be interesting. I don't think he's ever been 100% this season. If he bounces back to his normal 120-130 wRC+, Machado and Vlad would be a great combo.

 

Machado comes with so much risk. I'm always torn by this guy. Super talented, potential HOFer, but I've always hated him and he seems like a lazy prick. I'd really worry that as his skills erode in his early 30's that he won't care enough or work enough to overcome that and remain a star player. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he follows the decline that Longoria faced when he hit age 32. Machado has more natural ability though, so maybe he hangs on a few more years...

 

Doubt you'd have to give up a lot to get him at least (he has negative value). The Jays don't have much to give, so that's a fit.

[Jimcanuck]

Machado comes with so much risk. I'm always torn by this guy. Super talented, potential HOFer, but I've always hated him and he seems like a lazy prick. I'd really worry that as his skills erode in his early 30's that he won't care enough or work enough to overcome that and remain a star player. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he follows the decline that Longoria faced when he hit age 32. Machado has more natural ability though, so maybe he hangs on a few more years...

 

Doubt you'd have to give up a lot to get him at least (he has negative value). The Jays don't have much to give, so that's a fit.

 

I don't see the laziness, Machado has stayed in good condition his whole career. Google reports he has battled elbow pain this season, likely needs offseason surgery to cleanup.

 

Like you, I see him as having the talent to remain above average for some time yet. I also think he has the drive to be a HOF'er, and that will keep him motivated.

[glory]

The FA 3B options look pretty dire again. Not a fan of overpaying Bregman for his age 31-beyond seasons, and a reunion with Chapman doesn't move the needle much given what he will be looking for. Only option that looks somewhat interesting is a bought out Yoan Moncada (no shot the White Sox pick up his option), as he's coming off an injury so he should take a one year deal but he's a few years removed from the last time he was really good. Otherwise at this rate I'd probably be fine with putting Vlad at 3B and living with the consequences. Horwitz can be at 1B and then there's like a half dozen 2B options on this team where you can hope on one of them sticking (DS, Orelvis, Wagner, Jimenez, Clement, etc).

[Barrelsandbombs]

ZiPS 2025 currently projects the Jays to have a top 25 player starting at every position except 3B, which should be a good base to build from heading into the offseason.

 

Kirk projects as the 6th best C with 2.9 fWAR

Schneider 7th at 2B with 3.2

Bichette 9th at SS with 3.8

Jonatan Clase 14th at LF with 2.1

Springer 18th at RF with 1.8

Varsho 24th at CF with 2.1

Horwitz 24th at 1B with 1.4

and Vlad would project to have the 5th best wRC+ at DH

[Terminator]

ZiPS 2025 currently projects the Jays to have a top 25 player starting at every position except 3B, which should be a good base to build from heading into the offseason.

 

Kirk projects as the 6th best C with 2.9 fWAR

Schneider 7th at 2B with 3.2

Bichette 9th at SS with 3.8

Jonatan Clase 14th at LF with 2.1

Springer 18th at RF with 1.8

Varsho 24th at CF with 2.1

Horwitz 24th at 1B with 1.4

and Vlad would project to have the 5th best wRC+ at DH

 

the playoffs will be easy to make

[John_Havok]

ZiPS 2025 currently projects the Jays to have a top 25 player starting at every position except 3B, which should be a good base to build from heading into the offseason.

 

Kirk projects as the 6th best C with 2.9 fWAR

Schneider 7th at 2B with 3.2

Bichette 9th at SS with 3.8

Jonatan Clase 14th at LF with 2.1

Springer 18th at RF with 1.8

Varsho 24th at CF with 2.1

Horwitz 24th at 1B with 1.4

and Vlad would project to have the 5th best wRC+ at DH

 

Horwitz at 1b... just doesn't play imo.

 

At 2B he's acceptable, but it would not surprise me to find out that he's not really all that good defensively there. Right now he's holding his own at +1 OAA. Offensively, pitchers have started adjusting to him over the past month (93 wrc+ for July after his scorching 165 in June) so we'll see how he adjusts back. So far in the august SSS he's at 101.

[Joltin Joe]

If we can get real LF and DH, then we could probably go with what we have at 3b. Spend the rest of the money on pitching.

Go with Clemente at third, Joey in left. Spend the money on pitching. Plus a DH.

[Terminator]

I just listed some 3B trade candidates who likely are available. Just some baseball discussion. You're not s***ing on any suggestions because I never made any lol. Again, you're proving why you're the most arrogant poster on this board.

 

Sure if the Jays can't afford signing Bregman or Chapman, they either likely have to go the trade route (and I listed some possible trade candidates at 3B) or I said just roll with Clement at 3B.

 

McMahon isn't that bad! Great defender and although his bat isn't great, he bats left handed which is great. Could spell him with Ernie once in a while. His AAV is fine.

 

The problem is that old man Monfort has a crush on him and considers him to be an actual friend. In fact he considers everyone in the organization a close personal friend so that's why he never fires or trades anyone. So they'll never trade him.