Nate Pearson traded to Cubs

[max silver]

I think your missing the point. They didn't get any value now period. Whether they traded him now or later made no difference. This move didn't scream we needed to do this right now. They got 2 nothing burgers.

 

I specifically remembering you bitching and moaning about the team keeping Garcia at a relatively paltry $6 million, and they received the best string of pitching in his entire career and turned that into an outfield prospect. Now you are once again bitching about trading a major league reliever who hasn't had any type of sustained success at the major league level, has no remaining options so he would need to be on the 26 man roster next season. You have so many brainless takes on here it's kind of amazing.

[Abomination]

I know that Pearson sucks, but I'm having a really hard time buying the "we're going to compete in 2025" nonsense. Aside from multiple impact bats and at least two starters they're going to need an entire bullpen. What to they have going into 2025?

 

Green - might be traded

Cabrera - should be non-tendered

Swanson - should be non-tendered

Romano - should maybe be non-tendered

Pop - sucks

Little - sucks

 

Like, it's going to require significant investment to get that to the caliber of a contending team. In addition to all of the other improvements they have to make. It's insulting to keep telling fans that they want to win next year.

 

I'm fine with Cabrera being non-tendered, but for whatever it's worth he's actually been pretty good for the last 2 months. I could see someone desperate squinting a little and taking him off our hands (maybe with us eating a little money). Non-tendering Romano would be silly. Not sure about Swanson. As far as Little goes, DOES he suck? He's put up a 3.18 xFIP so far this year and similar in AAA. He's probably not a front-line arm, but nothing wrong with that as a 2nd lefty.

[BTS]

I'm fine with Cabrera being non-tendered, but for whatever it's worth he's actually been pretty good for the last 2 months. I could see someone desperate squinting a little and taking him off our hands (maybe with us eating a little money). Non-tendering Romano would be silly. Not sure about Swanson. As far as Little goes, DOES he suck? He's put up a 3.18 xFIP so far this year and similar in AAA. He's probably not a front-line arm, but nothing wrong with that as a 2nd lefty.

 

Romano will be non-tendered if the arm issues progress to the point where he needs TJS. Which at this point is probably at least even odds. They'll have to be pretty convinced that he's healthy to throw 10M or whatever at him via arb for his last year of team control.

 

I think Swanson will have to shove a bit down the stretch to show that he's worth 3.5-4M for his last arb year.

 

Little might not suck, but I don't think there's much chance he's actually good either. Maybe he carves out a niche as like the 7th guy in the pen for a couple of years.

 

It's pretty dire. I'm not sure I could name more than 2-3 teams that have less talent in their bullpen heading into 2025.

[Carlos Danger]

I think your missing the point. They didn't get any value now period. Whether they traded him now or later made no difference. This move didn't scream we needed to do this right now. They got 2 nothing burgers.

 

It does make a difference. The Jays can't option him in 2025. That means you have to carry him on the MLB roster. He hasn't shown he has control, and if they do want to compete next year, how can you retain a pitcher like that on the 26 man?? Then if you DFA him in April because he is costing you games, you will get zero, not anyone's 30th ranked org prospect and another dude. You will get nada.

 

Roster management now and in 2025 is a key consideration.

[Jonn]

I specifically remembering you bitching and moaning about the team keeping Garcia at a relatively paltry $6 million, and they received the best string of pitching in his entire career and turned that into an outfield prospect. Now you are once again bitching about trading a major league reliever who hasn't had any type of sustained success at the major league level, has no remaining options so he would need to be on the 26 man roster next season. You have so many brainless takes on here it's kind of amazing.

 

The team had no money. Paying relievers 6 million is dumb. Especially ones as volatile as Yimi Garcia. Congrats he had a good half season. Has the team hit?

 

The move was about putting more money into the offense. Nobody thought the pen would be this bad this season. It was actually a strength last year.

[keggy]

Jonn isnÂ’t completely wrong but the problem with Pearson is that he has to be on the 26 man roster. He might have negative value because of that.

 

Rivera I donÂ’t think has to be on the 40 man and the Dominican guy just has to be on the 40 man starting next year and has options. Both kind of suck but are in situations where can take a look at them without running into roster crunch problems.

 

And donÂ’t forget, we are going to be adding plenty of guys to the 40 man this deadline. Dumping Pearson frees a spot.

 

We're carrying guys like Paolo Espino on the 40. After the trade deadline, Pearson arguably becomes the best reliever on the 26, mostly because our pen is horrible.

 

I really don't think they moved Pearson because of a roster crunch. He's exactly the kind of player you want to try to develop during a lost season.

 

This move only makes sense if they were unusually high on the prospect return or they intend to compete in 2025.

[The_DH]

My greatest fear was that a walking turd would be making the calls on a tear down. So far we've acquired a potential 4th outfielder an old catcher and two minor league backups. So now we trade Kikuchi and what do we do? Might as well have Spanky grab his globe and give it a go.

[max silver]

The team had no money. Paying relievers 6 million is dumb. Especially ones as volatile as Yimi Garcia. Congrats he had a good half season. Has the team hit?

 

The move was about putting more money into the offense. Nobody thought the pen would be this bad this season. It was actually a strength last year.

 

This is Garcia's 3rd really good season in a row you doofus. He has arguably been MLB's most effective fireman out of the pen during his time with the Blue Jays and $6 million for a 1 win reliever is a relative bargain in today's MLB.

[Terminator]

We're carrying guys like Paolo Espino on the 40. After the trade deadline, Pearson arguably becomes the best reliever on the 26, mostly because our pen is horrible.

 

I really don't think they moved Pearson because of a roster crunch. He's exactly the kind of player you want to try to develop during a lost season.

 

This move only makes sense if they were unusually high on the prospect return or they intend to compete in 2025.

 

Well yeah, we may not have a roster crunch right this second but add a couple of guys at the deadline, add a few FAs, add some prospects that need to be protected from the Rule 5, etc. and it will fill up in a hurry.

 

Fans always underestimate the value of 40 man roster spots when it comes to trades but it means everything when you’re talking about fringe relievers like Pearson or fringe prospects like Rivera.

 

The fringe non-40 man guys >> fringe 26 man guys in arb

[James Key]

This regime can’t evaluate talent nor develop youth. We could have got a haul for this guy two years ago. Instead they hold on like grim death to these drafted guys and watch the either implode to lack of proper development or injury or a combination of both.

[The_DH]

Well yeah, we may not have a roster crunch right this second but add a couple of guys at the deadline, add a few FAs, add some prospects that need to be protected from the Rule 5, etc. and it will fill up in a hurry.

 

Fans always underestimate the value of 40 man roster spots when it comes to trades but it means everything when you’re talking about fringe relievers like Pearson or fringe prospects like Rivera.

 

The fringe non-40 man guys >> fringe 26 man guys in arb

 

We're adding a bunch of 4th outfielders and minor league fodder. There's at least a half dozen guys on the 40-man that I would outright release right now. Pearson was worth keeping. The Garcia trade makes some sense, although I probably would have wanted a lottery ticket too. We didn't get one. We should have started Pearson for the rest of the season and if it didn't work, let him go. We got pure turd in return.

[Krylian]

Pearson has to go down as one of the biggest busts in franchise history

 

He was a 28th overall, not a top 3 pick. We've selected guys earlier than 28th that have never had a sniff of the majors. He's hardly the biggest bust in the history of the Blue Jays.

[Terminator]

Romano will be non-tendered if the arm issues progress to the point where he needs TJS. Which at this point is probably at least even odds. They'll have to be pretty convinced that he's healthy to throw 10M or whatever at him via arb for his last year of team control.

 

I think Swanson will have to shove a bit down the stretch to show that he's worth 3.5-4M for his last arb year.

 

Little might not suck, but I don't think there's much chance he's actually good either. Maybe he carves out a niche as like the 7th guy in the pen for a couple of years.

 

It's pretty dire. I'm not sure I could name more than 2-3 teams that have less talent in their bullpen heading into 2025.

 

Yeah Romano is very iffy at this point. I’d have a hard time tendering him a 10 million dollar contract. You could probably do better in FA.

[hanton]

The Dodgers had to trade Michael Busch because of a roster crunch, I haven't checked out roster in that detail but I doubt we are anywhere close to a roster crunch

[Terminator]

He was a 28th overall, not a top 3 pick. We've selected guys earlier than 28th that have never had a sniff of the majors. He's hardly the biggest bust in the history of the Blue Jays.

 

I wasn’t referring to his draft position lol. He was close to a top 10 prospect and gave us negative WAR

[Brownie19]

agree. He just developed that new pitch - IIRC hardly used it though which is weird. Whate a waste.

 

He's been working on a 2 seam fastball... primary because his 4 seam fastball is complete ass (despite velo). He's literally just trying to find another fastball to replace his current useless one.

[Jonn]

This is Garcia's 3rd really good season in a row you doofus. He has arguably been MLB's most effective fireman out of the pen during his time with the Blue Jays and $6 million for a 1 win reliever is a relative bargain in today's MLB.

 

He really isn’t that special. He was phenomenal early in the season. But he’s literally been a middle reliever the majority of his tenure. He literally gave up more hits than innings pitched last season lol. Don’t talk to me like he’s an elite reliever.

[Brownie19]

My greatest fear was that a walking turd would be making the calls on a tear down. So far we've acquired a potential 4th outfielder an old catcher and two minor league backups. So now we trade Kikuchi and what do we do? Might as well have Spanky grab his globe and give it a go.

 

Have you noticed the players we traded away? It might explain why we're not landing Top 10 prospects. Have you followed baseball for very long?

[Brownie19]

I don't really understand this rhetoric that we got "turds" in return. You really have no idea. Remember when we traded for Ernie Clement? I think it was universally believed we got "nothing" in return.

 

Now Ernie has given us 1.2 WAR in 275 PA's and looks like a very solid utility player for the big league club.

[Omar]

I'm in Chicago right now. Was in the city and saw this. Holy crap

The great purge has begun.

[Jonn]

I don't really understand this rhetoric that we got "turds" in return. You really have no idea. Remember when we traded for Ernie Clement? I think it was universally believed we got "nothing" in return.

 

Now Ernie has given us 1.2 WAR in 275 PA's and looks like a very solid utility player for the big league club.

 

The Jays didn’t trade for Clement. They signed him to a minor league contract. But yes I actually like Clement.

[Brownie19]

The Jays didn’t trade for Clement. They signed him to a minor league contract. But yes I actually like Clement.

 

My bad - I thought he was traded for cash or a PTBNL or something. I should have checked. Point still stands. Teams find talent in many different places and sometimes the 'turds' they add aren't actually 'turds'.

[Stangstag]

Are people here actually complaining about trading Pearson?? Dude f***ing sucks, he’s Merryweather 2.0

[max silver]

He really isn’t that special. He was phenomenal early in the season. But he’s literally been a middle reliever the majority of his tenure. He literally gave up more hits than innings pitched last season lol. Don’t talk to me like he’s an elite reliever.

 

Garcia was a very good reliever the entire time he was employed by the Blue Jays. You were simply too dense to ever recognize that.

[Jonn]

Garcia was a very good reliever the entire time he was employed by the Blue Jays. You were simply too dense to ever recognize that.

 

I really don’t mind Garcia at all actually. He was solid. It really wasn’t solely about him. It was money allocation all together. With so much money allocated to the Rotation because Jays can’t develop their own Starters so they have to buy them. It really hamstrung the teams ability to make a complete Baseball team.

 

Everyone knew the Jays were going to struggle to score runs this Season. And that’s exactly what happened. You move Garcia for a prospect. You re-allocate those funds. You don’t bring Kiermaier back you can get a Joc Pederson in your lineup. Little things add up. Obviously the Bullpen just took a s*** all together. It’s a moot point. But that was the vision for it. Never thought Garcia couldn’t be solid and he was better than that.

[Stangstag]

I specifically remembering you bitching and moaning about the team keeping Garcia at a relatively paltry $6 million, and they received the best string of pitching in his entire career and turned that into an outfield prospect. Now you are once again bitching about trading a major league reliever who hasn't had any type of sustained success at the major league level, has no remaining options so he would need to be on the 26 man roster next season. You have so many brainless takes on here it's kind of amazing.

 

Dude loves to bitch

[Jonn]

Dude loves to bitch

 

This team is immensely frustrating to be a fan of. God forbid I vent. Actively nuking players value before the trade deadline has been so fun to watch.

[Jays24]

This team is immensely frustrating to be a fan of. God forbid I vent. Actively nuking players value before the trade deadline has been so fun to watch.

 

Look at the f***ing product on the field and yet we got the front office nuthuggers getting upset at people being frustrated? Just shows the low standards these people live life by lol.

[Jonn]

Look at the f***ing product on the field and yet we got the front office nuthuggers getting upset at people being frustrated? Just shows the low standards these people live life by lol.

 

I really don’t understand the controversy over wanting to move Garcia and adding to the offence in the off-season perspective.

 

I really don’t understand the mindset of people on this board. Like what is even the point of a discussion if people are going to get agressive and start name calling when people say something they don’t like or agree with? I don’t call anyone here dumb or any names whatsoever. It really is appalling to me.

[Joltin Joe]

My bad - I thought he was traded for cash or a PTBNL or something. I should have checked. Point still stands. Teams find talent in many different places and sometimes the 'turds' they add aren't actually 'turds'.

You must made that up. How could it been universal concluded we got turds in return when we never even traded for him.