Yimi to Mariners for Jonatan Clase OF & Jacob Sharp C

[Brownie19]

I expect nothing of these players

 

I never expect to win when I buy lottery tickets either. That's all these are for a non-elite setup man (albeit he's been good this year) on an expiring contract.

[Terminator]

Clase is 5'8'', 150.

 

Sharp is 5'7'', 180.

 

You could combine their weights and Alejandro Kirk would still outweigh them both by about 5 pounds. They are about 2 or 3 inches taller though.

[Terminator]

He actually has very promising underlying data (K%, Whiff %, Z-Swing %, Z-Contact %, and O-Swing %). Yes he is "old for the level", but he is a catcher and they tend to have different development patterns than other position players.

 

I would want to know more about his defense before I move him out of the nobody category.

[The Cats Ass]

I would have been good with just Clase. He’s a good get for a RP.

[Stangstag]

Clase is 5'8'', 150.

 

Sharp is 5'7'', 180.

 

You could combine their weights and Alejandro Kirk would still outweigh them both by about 5 pounds. They are about 2 or 3 inches taller though.

 

5’8 150 is smalll lol damn

[Laika]

Funny that Yimi is now just a "non elite setup man" according to the Atkins apologists

[BTS]

Yimi is a pending FA and is just off the IL with elbow pain. I'm actually surprised they got Clase for him

[L54]

Clase is 5'8'', 150.

 

Sharp is 5'7'', 180.

 

You could combine their weights and Alejandro Kirk would still outweigh them both by about 5 pounds. They are about 2 or 3 inches taller though.

 

Lmao

[MikeM3]

Garcia is like top 5 in xwoba and has stuff metrics. Most smart pitching teams probably wanted him. Obviously there was some cuck trait about Clase that we liked alot

[BTS]

Garcia is like top 5 in xwoba and has stuff metrics. Most smart pitching teams probably wanted him. Obviously there was some cuck trait about Clase that we liked alot

 

What are the odds he throws like 10 innings and then misses the rest of the year? like 40%? He kind of tanked his value. As have Bichette, Kikuchi, Richards, and Green.

[Joltin Joe]

Clause has some speed. With 79 steals in 2023, only caught 15 times. Has a little pop

[Carlos Danger]

Clause has some speed. With 79 steals in 2023, only caught 15 times. Has a little pop

 

Santa Clause?

[MikeM3]

What are the odds he throws like 10 innings and then misses the rest of the year? like 40%? He kind of tanked his value. As have Bichette, Kikuchi, Richards, and Green.

 

Ya I guess it's possible. But I think when you trade a reliever 3 days before the buzzer that means you're happy with the guy coming back.

 

Or you know his elbow is f***ed and can't wait to dump him

[Brownie19]

Funny that Yimi is now just a "non elite setup man" according to the Atkins apologists

 

Didn't this board debate if Yimi was even worth $6M at the start of this year? Weren't people suggesting he should be moved to free up budget space? People hated this guy last year. Then he opened the season ON FIRE and everyone changed their tune. Then he got hurt and now he's been back for a few innings. My comment that he's non-elite has more to do with his track record. He was certainly pitching like an elite setup man at the start of this season. I think there's legit questions if he'll be an elite setup man over the remainder of the year. I thought he was a good signing by the Jays and pitched well for us. I wish him nothing but the best.

[Jimcanuck]

I want some fireworks, not shuffling the deck chairs

[Olerud363]

Garcia is like top 5 in xwoba and has stuff metrics. Most smart pitching teams probably wanted him. Obviously there was some cuck trait about Clase that we liked alot

 

He and Nimilla will hit .180 combined in 2027 but be worth 15 WAR because the league average will only be .195 by then and all WAR will be power, baserunning and defense with singles almost gone from the game.

 

I get that Clase is small and must have some exit velocity, park factor, and hip rotation or something issue... but the guy is a young 22, 3 years older than Nimmilla.

 

BJMB - don't diss Nimmala and his .198 average. He's just a pup, only almost 19 (18 years 10 months)

 

Also BJMB - Clase has no chance, just turned 22 already in the majors but no real prospects despite reaching the majors already and having a .834 career minor league OPS.

[Abomination]

I like this. Clase has elite speed and base stealing ability. If he can manage to hit at all, he could be a nice find. At worse, a cheap 4th outfielder with good situational utility might still be a nice get. I don't think we could reasonably expect a high end prospect for a non closer, even if they are a good one. Hopefully we didn't eat any money in the deal.

[BTS]

Didn't this board debate if Yimi was even worth $6M at the start of this year? Weren't people suggesting he should be moved to free up budget space? People hated this guy last year. Then he opened the season ON FIRE and everyone changed their tune. Then he got hurt and now he's been back for a few innings. My comment that he's non-elite has more to do with his track record. He was certainly pitching like an elite setup man at the start of this season. I think there's legit questions if he'll be an elite setup man over the remainder of the year. I thought he was a good signing by the Jays and pitched well for us. I wish him nothing but the best.

 

I think everyone was a bit surprised with the 3/16 contract. But it ended up being tidy business: 157 IP of 3.44 ERA ball, 2.9 WPA and 2.7 fWAR. Then traded with no $ retained for a couple of prospects.

[Terminator]

Didn't this board debate if Yimi was even worth $6M at the start of this year? Weren't people suggesting he should be moved to free up budget space? People hated this guy last year. Then he opened the season ON FIRE and everyone changed their tune. Then he got hurt and now he's been back for a few innings. My comment that he's non-elite has more to do with his track record. He was certainly pitching like an elite setup man at the start of this season. I think there's legit questions if he'll be an elite setup man over the remainder of the year. I thought he was a good signing by the Jays and pitched well for us. I wish him nothing but the best.

 

Fangraphs had some article a while ago about how relievers who see a sudden performance spike rarely net a large return. Add in Yimi's injury and I think this is a fine return.

[Terminator]

Clause has some speed. With 79 steals in 2023, only caught 15 times. Has a little pop

 

He doesn't have a ton of pop but 10 homers and a .209 ISO is impressive for his size.

[itaos]

Is Clase an Anthony Gose type prospect?

[G-Snarls]

Clase is 5'8'', 150.

 

Sharp is 5'7'', 180.

 

You could combine their weights and Alejandro Kirk would still outweigh them both by about 5 pounds. They are about 2 or 3 inches taller though.

 

The heights don't get combined?

[Terminator]

Is Clase an Anthony Gose type prospect?

 

They seem pretty similar but Gose had that 2011 season at age 20 in AA that had him jumping into the Top 40-60ish on the prospect lists.

 

They actually look really damn similar if you factor in their ages appropriately. Basically the same ages at each level but Clase gets classified a year later because he was born just before the June 30 cutoff. Gose was born just after so he looks to be a year younger at each level.

[Terminator]

The heights don't get combined?

 

Sure we can do that.

 

Clase & Sharp = 11 foot 3 inches tall and 330 pounds

 

Alejandro Kirk = 5 foot 4 inches tall and 335 pounds

 

In a race I think I would take Clase running with Sharp on his shoulders over Kirk.

[Laika]

Didn't this board debate if Yimi was even worth $6M at the start of this year? Weren't people suggesting he should be moved to free up budget space? People hated this guy last year. Then he opened the season ON FIRE and everyone changed their tune. Then he got hurt and now he's been back for a few innings. My comment that he's non-elite has more to do with his track record. He was certainly pitching like an elite setup man at the start of this season. I think there's legit questions if he'll be an elite setup man over the remainder of the year. I thought he was a good signing by the Jays and pitched well for us. I wish him nothing but the best.

 

Yeah f***ing morons wanted him traded to free up salary

 

Not one smart person suggested that

[Omar]

A possible legit prospect and an org filler. The Jays are really aware of the state of their farm hence the Sharp acquisition. I expected more but if that's what the market will bear..

 

Could be a very underwhelming trade deadline for the Jays. Sad to say. Temper your expectations folks

Edited July 27, 2024 by Omar

[G-Snarls]

A possible legit prospect and an org filler. The Jays are really aware of the state of their farm hence the Sharp acquisition. I expected more but if that's what the market will bear..

 

Could be a very underwhelming trade deadline for the Jays. Sad to say. Temper your expectations folks

 

Bichette, Turner, KK and Richards have all killed their trade value

 

And the FO won't trade Gausman or Bassitt

 

So yeah they're not going to land much of a haul at this time

[Stangstag]

Clase reminds me of Derek Fisher for some reason

[Dick_Pole]

Hope the losers from Loserville are happy. "Trade for the sake of trading expiring contracts". Anybody with half a brain could see this s*** a mile away. Should have just kept him. 95% chance Garcia pitching 10 innings before blowing out his arm is actually the winning side to this trade.

[Dick_Pole]

What are the odds he throws like 10 innings and then misses the rest of the year? like 40%? He kind of tanked his value. As have Bichette, Kikuchi, Richards, and Green.

 

But, but, but...morons were cheering for the team to tank! Without giving a thought to the idea that the team struggling would be highly correlated to individual players potentially used as trade bait also struggling.