GDT: 2/3 Chicago White Sox @ Toronto Blue Jays (7:07pm et)

[Brownie19]

Where's Laika with his "best depth in the league" analysis

 

To be fair - it did look like we had a lot of depth. Connor Cooke was striking out 16 per 9 with 2 walks per 9 in AA. Looked like a legit shutdown guy coming up. Homegrown, cheap talent. Then some ******* in AAA told him to stop throwing strikes and now he looks like Zulu, walking 7 per 9. It's perfectly fair to predict that 50-75% of your prospects will turn out to be nothing but steaming s***, but we're close to a 100% rate at this point. It's comical. You can't make it up.

[Laika]

Where's Laika with his "best depth in the league" analysis

 

His what now

 

I defended the SP depth hard and it looks like I am a genius because they recently pulled Cy Manoah out of AAA

 

The bullpen WAS deep at the MLB level but no team absorbs the sudden decline, injury, or severe underperformance of 75% of their bullpen

 

Position player depth remains sublime though. I feel so comfy with Horwitz et al. sitting there in AAA just in case Daniel Vogelbach gets the shits.

[connorp]

 

I’d appreciate in the future if you could acknowledge any direct insults I make towards you.

[Omar]

His what now

 

I defended the SP depth hard and it looks like I am a genius because they recently pulled Cy Manoah out of AAA

 

The bullpen WAS deep at the MLB level but no team absorbs the sudden decline, injury, or severe underperformance of 75% of their bullpen

 

Position player depth remains sublime though. I feel so comfy with Horwitz et al. sitting there in AAA just in case Daniel Vogelbach gets the shits.

 

This bullpen will be deep again. Swanson is coming around. Richards has quietly been very good but we only like to s*** on him when he gives up a run. Green and YR are due up and we can punt Pop and Pearson into the sun. By mid season the best thing about this team may be our pen. Why can't some people see this?

[Laika]

This bullpen will be deep again. Swanson is coming around. Richards has quietly been very good but we only like to s*** on him when he gives up a run. Green and YR are due up and we can punt Pop and Pearson into the sun. By mid season the best thing about this team may be our pen. Why can't some people see this?

 

Mayza and Genesis Cabrera and Pearson are the real problems.

 

TM Fastball gone.

GC was bad before and is just bad again.

NP can't show up with his velo and strike-throwing ability often enough to be useful.

 

Romano and Swanson, velo looks fine and I bet they will at least be good rest of the year.

 

Yimi has ascended.

Richards looks fine.

Pop is actually throwing well and might be an okay RP7.

 

YRod and Francis would both have helium and upside in relief.

 

Green I see as a wildcard. Not really sure. Injury risk seems so high. Stuff and results have varied.

[Spanky99]

This bullpen will be deep again. Swanson is coming around. Richards has quietly been very good but we only like to s*** on him when he gives up a run. Green and YR are due up and we can punt Pop and Pearson into the sun. By mid season the best thing about this team may be our pen. Why can't some people see this?

 

Mayza and Genesis Cabrera and Pearson are the real problems.

 

TM Fastball gone.

GC was bad before and is just bad again.

NP can't show up with his velo and strike-throwing ability often enough to be useful.

 

Romano and Swanson, velo looks fine and I bet they will at least be good rest of the year.

 

Yimi has ascended.

Richards looks fine.

Pop is actually throwing well and might be an okay RP7.

 

YRod and Francis would both have helium and upside in relief.

 

Green I see as a wildcard. Not really sure. Injury risk seems so high. Stuff and results have varied.

 

Heyo... real baseball talk, who knew?

[mphenhef]

Green's contract is terrible for a wildcard yet I can't argue with him being described that way.

[Laika]

Green's contract is terrible for a wildcard yet I can't argue with him being described that way.

 

Bad contract is bad

 

I think they ended up with the worst case scenario. I would have preferred the lower AAV over 3 years tbh.

[mphenhef]

Bad contract is bad

 

I think they ended up with the worst case scenario. I would have preferred the lower AAV over 3 years tbh.

 

I had the exact same thought.

[G-Snarls]

To be fair - it did look like we had a lot of depth. Connor Cooke was striking out 16 per 9 with 2 walks per 9 in AA. Looked like a legit shutdown guy coming up. Homegrown, cheap talent. Then some ******* in AAA told him to stop throwing strikes and now he looks like Zulu, walking 7 per 9. It's perfectly fair to predict that 50-75% of your prospects will turn out to be nothing but steaming s***, but we're close to a 100% rate at this point. It's comical. You can't make it up.

 

It's so frustrating watching what looked like a solid bullpen have these results now

 

All while the offense struggles to score more than 3 runs a game

[Laika]

It's so frustrating watching what looked like a solid bullpen have these results now

 

All while the offense struggles to score more than 3 runs a game

 

we live in a baseball fan nightmare

 

I'd rather just be a Rockies fan then at least you could accept having no chance from game #1

[Eat My Shatkins]

I have less and less faith in pitching prospects by the day, but after slow starts Danner, Juenger and Cooke appear to be coming around lately.

 

But hell, who TF knows I guess.....

[max silver]

Bad contract is bad

 

I think they ended up with the worst case scenario. I would have preferred the lower AAV over 3 years tbh.

 

That feels a little premature. If he's "bad" in your view for some reason having him for another year at a slightly lower AAV doesn't somehow help make the contract better.

[Spanky99]

That feels a little premature. If he's "bad" in your view for some reason having him for another year at a slightly lower AAV doesn't somehow help make the contract better.

 

Isn't that his point about stretching the deal out over 3 seasons?

[Laika]

That feels a little premature. If he's "bad" in your view for some reason having him for another year at a slightly lower AAV doesn't somehow help make the contract better.

 

You're a bit premature

 

I dunno. If he is good, team secures an extra year of control. If he has a lost season in 2024 and/or 2025 with random injuries (which is on track to happen...) team spreads out the money and therefore the risk and gets another flip of the coin on his talents in 2026.

[max silver]

You're a bit premature

 

I dunno. If he is good, team secures an extra year of control. If he has a lost season in 2024 and/or 2025 with random injuries (which is on track to happen...) team spreads out the money and therefore the risk and gets another flip of the coin on his talents in 2026.

 

The dude had one minor injury to a lat muscle that has him on track to miss approximately 5 weeks. If that's some sort of massive arbiter of doom to you then feel free to continue to stand on the street corner and clang away on your doomsday bell.

[Governator]

The only thing I find excting about this team is watching 1 inning of Garcia every other game.

[Laika]

The dude had one minor injury to a lat muscle that has him on track to miss approximately 5 weeks. If that's some sort of massive arbiter of doom to you then feel free to continue to stand on the street corner and clang away on your doomsday bell.

 

First time seeing a reliever in his 30s try to return from major surgery?

[max silver]

First time seeing a reliever in his 30s try to return from major surgery?

 

First time ever seeing a major league pitcher, especially a reliever in his 30's suffering from an injury? If you think one minor lat issue spells doom for the season, then it doesn't exactly stack up logically to expect that he's going to manage to remain healthier moving forward in subsequent seasons when he's older. Believe it or not it is actually possible for reasonable opinions that differ from your own to exist on the internet.

[Ray]

The only thing I find excting about this team is watching 1 inning of Garcia every other game.

 

I also enjoy watching Yusei Kikuchi outings, mostly to see how far he's come from when we first signed him. He was pretty much one of the worst starters in the league in his first year here and has progressed to looking like a top-of-the-rotation arm.

 

The team has had really good success in recent years turning around pitchers at the major league level. Ray into Cy Young, Matz and Stripling into serviceable SPs, Berrios with his best stretch of starts in his career. Unfortunte we don't have that same magic in drafting/developing.

[Laika]

First time ever seeing a major league pitcher, especially a reliever in his 30's suffering from an injury? If you think one minor lat issue spells doom for the season, then it doesn't exactly stack up logically to expect that he's going to manage to remain healthier moving forward in subsequent seasons when he's older. Believe it or not it is actually possible for reasonable opinions that differ from your own to exist on the internet.

 

I don't think that but I think there is no such thing as a minor lat injury and any injury of the arm/shoulder/neck increases the chance of a subsequent injury and/or could be sign or precursor for a bigger problem.

 

The general point is just that he still has some stuff but he is a high injury risk player and a coinflip at actually providing any value to the team.

 

Two years at high AAV = two expensive flips of the coin

Three years at lower AAV = three slightly less expensive flips of the coin

 

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[Spanky99]

lol

[Stangstag]

His what now

 

I defended the SP depth hard and it looks like I am a genius because they recently pulled Cy Manoah out of AAA

 

The bullpen WAS deep at the MLB level but no team absorbs the sudden decline, injury, or severe underperformance of 75% of their bullpen

 

Position player depth remains sublime though. I feel so comfy with Horwitz et al. sitting there in AAA just in case Daniel Vogelbach gets the shits.

 

Fair enough, I don't think any of us thought the pitching side would look this bad

[Stangstag]

The only thing I find excting about this team is watching 1 inning of Garcia every other game.

 

I'm honestly appreciating the Manoah comeback. Also Varsho is exciting to watch when he's going.

[Terminator]

You're a bit premature

 

I dunno. If he is good, team secures an extra year of control. If he has a lost season in 2024 and/or 2025 with random injuries (which is on track to happen...) team spreads out the money and therefore the risk and gets another flip of the coin on his talents in 2026.

 

If he sucks or is hurt in 2024 and/or 2025 then we probably don't want him in 2026 for 10 million bucks or whatever it is anyway. And if we do want him in that scenario, we could probably just tack on a year and 10 mil and he'd take it.

 

And let's say he's good and we were wishing we had that extra 3rd year but somehow can't bring him back. Well, that's not the end of the world either as we get out from his 10 mil salary and can spend it on something else.

 

Max is right, 2 years was the way to go IMO.

[Laika]

If he sucks or is hurt in 2024 and/or 2025 then we probably don't want him in 2026 for 10 million bucks or whatever it is anyway. And if we do want him in that scenario, we could probably just tack on a year and 10 mil and he'd take it.

 

And let's say he's good and we were wishing we had that extra 3rd year but somehow can't bring him back. Well, that's not the end of the world either as we get out from his 10 mil salary and can spend it on something else.

 

2 years was the way to go.

 

s***** post from an even worse human being

 

back to work!

[justafan]

I'm honestly appreciating the Manoah comeback. Also Varsho is exciting to watch when he's going.

 

I find the roaming hottie commentator exciting to watch!

[Terminator]

s***** post from an even worse human being

 

back to work!

 

Sadly I was already fired after taking Wilco's advice and stealing the autographed Ernie Banks photo

[wilko]

I find the roaming hottie commentator exciting to watch!

 

Hazel doesn't move around too much.

[wilko]

Sadly I was already fired after taking Wilco's advice and stealing the autographed Ernie Banks photo