The Ship is Sinking

[connorp]

Most of these high level players actually don’t even understand what they’re actually doing. They will SAY “stay on top of the ball”, but really its just a mental cue for them and not actually what their body is doing when they swing the bat. I remember even seeing it in a short segment with Miggy.

 

Best piece of hitting advice I saw IMO was the Pete Rose thing, where he said your main adjustments should be:

- moving up in the box if the breaking ball is killing you

- moving back in the box if the fastball is killing you

- stand closer/further from the plate

- choking up on the bat

 

Choking up on the bat is for chicks

Perhaps one of the more important life lessons a man can pass on to his som at an early age. Takes away any chance at gender confusion later on.

[L54]

Most of these high level players actually don’t even understand what they’re actually doing. They will SAY “stay on top of the ball”, but really its just a mental cue for them and not actually what their body is doing when they swing the bat. I remember even seeing it in a short segment with Miggy.

 

Best piece of hitting advice I saw IMO was the Pete Rose thing, where he said your main adjustments should be:

- moving up in the box if the breaking ball is killing you

- moving back in the box if the fastball is killing you

- stand closer/further from the plate

- choking up on the bat

 

I don’t believe for a second these guys don’t understand what their bodies are doing or how they’re getting to optimal positions

[Spanky99]

Choking up on the bat is for chicks

Perhaps one of the more important life lessons a man can pass on to his som at an early age. Takes away any chance at gender confusion later on.

 

[Laika]

I don’t believe for a second these guys don’t understand what their bodies are doing or how they’re getting to optimal positions

 

So when Ted Williams tells Don Mattingly that Don doesn't understand what he's doing, who's right?

 

Some players get it, some don't. Guys like Donaldson and Bautista know what their bodies are doing but many probably don't or think they do but are wrong

[L54]

So when Ted Williams tells Don Mattingly that Don doesn't understand what he's doing, who's right?

 

Some players get it, some don't. Guys like Donaldson and Bautista know what their bodies are doing but many probably don't or think they do but are wrong

 

Those guys probably didn’t

 

But Ryan O’Hearn and Davis Schneider do

 

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule but do you think MLB hitters are just using cute little cues to hit 99 mph fastballs

[Laika]

Those guys probably didn’t

 

But Ryan O’Hearn and Davis Schneider do

 

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule but do you think MLB hitters are just using cute little cues to hit 99 mph fastballs

 

But it's even harder to appreciate and understand today with the information overload

 

Now many MLB players can understand kinesiology and biomechanics and physics?

 

One of the major communication issues MLB teams have is the conveyance of information. You need to somehow turn particle physics into a grade 4 subject in order for half of the team to even partially understand and buy in.

 

I mean so... yeah sort of.

 

Even O'Hearn evidently didn't understand his own body until he got to Baltimore

[L54]

But it's even harder to appreciate and understand today with the information overload

 

Now many MLB players can understand kinesiology and biomechanics and physics?

 

One of the major communication issues MLB teams have is the conveyance of information. You need to somehow turn particle physics into a grade 4 subject in order for half of the team to even partially understand and buy in.

 

I mean so... yeah sort of.

 

Even O'Hearn evidently didn't understand his own body until he got to Baltimore

 

I actually think the exact opposite as you in that these guys do understand these concepts so long as they have the right person guiding them

 

There will be a learning curve for and for some a language component but it’s not exactly rocket science. Get from point a —> point b —> point c. How you do that doesn’t matter as long as you get to each of these check points

 

Like at Driveline or Tread you might not know much about tilt and axis when you first arrive but they are going to teach you. That’s why you hired them. Now if you fail to understand the information they’re giving you it’s going to be really hard to improve velo or shape etc

[Stangstag]

I actually think the exact opposite as you in that these guys do understand these concepts so long as they have the right person guiding them

 

There will be a learning curve for and for some a language component but it’s not exactly rocket science. Get from point a —> point b —> point c. How you do that doesn’t matter as long as you get to each of these check points

 

Like at Driveline or Tread you might not know much about tilt and axis when you first arrive but they are going to teach you. That’s why you hired them. Now if you fail to understand the information they’re giving you it’s going to be really hard to improve velo or shape etc

 

Here's an excellent example of what im talking about.

 

 

Miggy is saying one thing, but immediately we see video evidence that he's NOT doing what he's saying. The bat is dipping down early and he's swinging upwards. His palm is up, but its also actually tilted more towards the catcher. Harold says "not like this?" and Miggy agrees, even though the video right after is a contradiction.

 

Most of the high-level all-star type guys actually don't understand their mechanics and why they are successful. I'd say the journeyman/late-bloomers are actually much smarter because they had to struggle for years before actually doing a deep dive to understand their mechanics.

[Stangstag]

And this is to say, Don Mattingly is not a good coach because he doesn't even understand his own hitting mechanics.

[Brownie19]

Here's an excellent example of what im talking about.

 

 

Miggy is saying one thing, but immediately we see video evidence that he's NOT doing what he's saying. The bat is dipping down early and he's swinging upwards. His palm is up, but its also actually tilted more towards the catcher. Harold says "not like this?" and Miggy agrees, even though the video right after is a contradiction.

 

Most of the high-level all-star type guys actually don't understand their mechanics and why they are successful. I'd say the journeyman/late-bloomers are actually much smarter because they had to struggle for years before actually doing a deep dive to understand their mechanics.

 

You actually see this quite a bit. It's called "feel v. real". There are videos of A-Rod doing the same thing. Here's a video of Matt Antonelli explaining it, using A-Rod's swing.

 

 

I don't actually believe there's anything wrong with teaching "feel v. real" and in fact, I actually use this with some of the 8 year olds I coach. They naturally have large uppercut swings, which don't work well. So before every game, when we do side toss, I tell them to hit the ball off the base of the net and those kids will take some really awkward choppy swings to hit the base of the net. But - we go into game situations, that "feel" has really helped them level off their swings and both of them are performing much better since we made that change.

 

An issue I see is that coaches/instructors should know "feel v. real" and they should know that when they are preaching that old school, hit down on the ball approach - that it's actually just a mentality or feel and that you'd actually never swing like that in a game. That should be explained to people. I'm not so sure A-Rod or Miggy (or Donnie Baseball???) know that.

[Stangstag]

You actually see this quite a bit. It's called "feel v. real". There are videos of A-Rod doing the same thing. Here's a video of Matt Antonelli explaining it, using A-Rod's swing.

 

 

I don't actually believe there's anything wrong with teaching "feel v. real" and in fact, I actually use this with some of the 8 year olds I coach. They naturally have large uppercut swings, which don't work well. So before every game, when we do side toss, I tell them to hit the ball off the base of the net and those kids will take some really awkward choppy swings to hit the base of the net. But - we go into game situations, that "feel" has really helped them level off their swings and both of them are performing much better since we made that change.

 

An issue I see is that coaches/instructors should know "feel v. real" and they should know that when they are preaching that old school, hit down on the ball approach - that it's actually just a mentality or feel and that you'd actually never swing like that in a game. That should be explained to people. I'm not so sure A-Rod or Miggy (or Donnie Baseball???) know that.

 

Yeah totally, I agree with everything you said.

 

I just remember all the hitting tips I used to get as a kid, and they were all awful now looking back on it. My parents used to even pay for indoor winter academy thing and a lot of stuff they told me is shite.

 

- squish the bug w the back foot

- front foot doesn’t move after planting

- rotate the hands through the swing

- stay on top of the ball

 

All BS that is disproven if you spend 2 minutes watching video of any major leaguer.

 

VISUAL evidence will always be 1000x better than whatever bs explanation a coach comes up with.

 

The enlightening moment/revelation for me was when I realized just how tucked the back elbow is to the torso during a swing. That’s something I never understood as a kid. And I don’t think it was ever explained to me. My swing was always a long loopy mess.

[Brownie19]

Yeah totally, I agree with everything you said.

 

I just remember all the hitting tips I used to get as a kid, and they were all awful now looking back on it. My parents used to even pay for indoor winter academy thing and a lot of stuff they told me is shite.

 

- squish the bug w the back foot

- front foot doesn’t move after planting

- rotate the hands through the swing

- stay on top of the ball

 

All BS that is disproven if you spend 2 minutes watching video of any major leaguer.

 

VISUAL evidence will always be 1000x better than whatever bs explanation a coach comes up with.

 

The enlightening moment/revelation for me was when I realized just how tucked the back elbow is to the torso during a swing. That’s something I never understood as a kid. And I don’t think it was ever explained to me. My swing was always a long loopy mess.

 

One thing I keep telling myself is that instructions need to be catered to the age group. Things like "squishing the bug" work just fine with 7 and 8 year olds, but you need more advanced movements as you get older. I've literally told kids before "remember what I told you last year? Forget it - you're now strong enough that I can teach you how to do this properly".

[Stangstag]

One thing I keep telling myself is that instructions need to be catered to the age group. Things like "squishing the bug" work just fine with 7 and 8 year olds, but you need more advanced movements as you get older. I've literally told kids before "remember what I told you last year? Forget it - you're now strong enough that I can teach you how to do this properly".

 

Agree that’s a good way to approach it. Admittedly i’ve never had professional coaching past high school but the explanations never got more advanced for me. It took until i was about 19/20 to actually understand swing mechanics more.

 

It just kills me when you see major league coaches preaching the same crap that we teach 10 year olds. Like come on dude, you can get a little more advanced than that. A good example is the famous Josh Donaldson/Derosa segment.

[Spanky99]

One thing I keep telling myself is that instructions need to be catered to the age group. Things like "squishing the bug" work just fine with 7 and 8 year olds, but you need more advanced movements as you get older. I've literally told kids before "remember what I told you last year? Forget it - you're now strong enough that I can teach you how to do this properly".

 

Proper process, me likey.

[Spanky99]

Agree that’s a good way to approach it. Admittedly i’ve never had professional coaching past high school but the explanations never got more advanced for me. It took until i was about 19/20 to actually understand swing mechanics more.

 

It just kills me when you see major league coaches preaching the same crap that we teach 10 year olds. Like come on dude, you can get a little more advanced than that. A good example is the famous Josh Donaldson/Derosa segment.

 

That segment will forever be molded into my head.

[BatFlip]

Choking up on the bat is for chicks

Perhaps one of the more important life lessons a man can pass on to his som at an early age. Takes away any chance at gender confusion later on.

 

To be honest, I always thought Botox was for chicks too. I’m getting a real education on this forum.

[Stangstag]

To be honest, I always thought Botox was for chicks too. I’m getting a real education on this forum.

 

HAHAHA f***ing burned

[Spanky99]

HAHAHA f***ing burned

 

Batflip has crushed his dreams a few times, that's mint.

[connorp]

To be honest, I always thought Botox was for chicks too. I’m getting a real education on this forum.

 

You would probably think tanning is for chicks too. Being superficial has always been the cool kid thing. I wouldn’t expect a guy like you to understand. To some of us, it’s hard letting go of that person we were through hs and college.

[Stangstag]

You would probably think tanning is for chicks too. Being superficial has always been the cool kid thing. I wouldn’t expect a guy like you to understand. To some of us, it’s hard letting go of that person we were through hs and college.

 

Lol take the L dude. Botox is definitely gay

[BatFlip]

Lol take the L dude. Botox is definitely gay

 

Not when it's combined with tanning apparently.

[John_Havok]

Yeah totally, I agree with everything you said.

 

I just remember all the hitting tips I used to get as a kid, and they were all awful now looking back on it. My parents used to even pay for indoor winter academy thing and a lot of stuff they told me is shite.

 

- squish the bug w the back foot

- front foot doesn’t move after planting

- rotate the hands through the swing

- stay on top of the ball

 

All BS that is disproven if you spend 2 minutes watching video of any major leaguer.

 

VISUAL evidence will always be 1000x better than whatever bs explanation a coach comes up with.

 

The enlightening moment/revelation for me was when I realized just how tucked the back elbow is to the torso during a swing. That’s something I never understood as a kid. And I don’t think it was ever explained to me. My swing was always a long loopy mess.

 

I'm reminded of the hitting instructor we had on the Radio Scouts podcast, I still recall one specific thing he mentioned ... about how to teach a swing and he said something like... "Put a ball on a tee a certain distance from a fence, tell the kid to hit the ball over the fence and in a few years he'll have a great swing

[Stangstag]

I'm reminded of the hitting instructor we had on the Radio Scouts podcast, I still recall one specific thing he mentioned ... about how to teach a swing and he said something like... "Put a ball on a tee a certain distance from a fence, tell the kid to hit the ball over the fence and in a few years he'll have a great swing

 

Maybe the jays need to try this. Bring back Carlos Pena and teach the guys to PLAKATA

[connorp]

Lol take the L dude. Botox is definitely gay

 

I will actually take the L here. If I didn’t know more about it, I would likely say the same. I can admit it.

[mphenhef]

But it's even harder to appreciate and understand today with the information overload

 

Now many MLB players can understand kinesiology and biomechanics and physics?

 

One of the major communication issues MLB teams have is the conveyance of information. You need to somehow turn particle physics into a grade 4 subject in order for half of the team to even partially understand and buy in.

 

I mean so... yeah sort of.

 

Even O'Hearn evidently didn't understand his own body until he got to Baltimore

 

"Hit ball high...ball go out"

[mphenhef]

I actually think the exact opposite as you in that these guys do understand these concepts so long as they have the right person guiding them

 

There will be a learning curve for and for some a language component but it’s not exactly rocket science. Get from point a —> point b —> point c. How you do that doesn’t matter as long as you get to each of these check points

 

Like at Driveline or Tread you might not know much about tilt and axis when you first arrive but they are going to teach you. That’s why you hired them. Now if you fail to understand the information they’re giving you it’s going to be really hard to improve velo or shape etc

 

Hitting theory deals a lot with propulsion, trajectory and the effects of gravity on the ball. It's not that far off from rocket science actually.

[hanton]

Hitting theory deals a lot with propulsion, trajectory and the effects of gravity on the ball. It's not that far off from rocket science actually.

 

Don "hit down on the ball" Mattingly doesn't understand this though

[Laika]

Hitting theory deals a lot with propulsion, trajectory and the effects of gravity on the ball. It's not that far off from rocket science actually.

 

Don Mattingly - did not go to College

Hunter Mense - did finish College after his playing career and has a degree in "counseling psychology"

Matt Hague - sociology studies in College

Guillermo Martinez - Kinesiology and Exercise Science in College

 

Don't see any physicists or mathematicians on the crew.

 

They really need to dump two of these guys, Mattingly and whoever else, and replace them with more progressive individuals.

[BigCecil]

Listening to Kiley McDaniel on Jays Talk Plus with Blake Murphy from this am.

 

Said he worked for one MLB team where they were offered a solid trade and his team passed, surprisingly. He found out later why, when the GM told him he was "pre fired" and ownership didn't want to can him during season, so he was told he could not make any deals.

 

"Pre-firing" - This may be our new best case scenario.

[G-Snarls]

The ship may be slowly rising