Around Baseball 2024

[Brownie19]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Welcome to the new board Brownie! Hope we can put aside our differences in 2025!

 

Oh boy - I'm so happy my ignore list didn't transfer over.  Please stop - it's sad.

[jaysblue]

8 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Oh boy - I'm so happy my ignore list didn't transfer over.  Please stop - it's sad.

You're a complete tool!

What did I just say about Atkins that is ridiculous? Sure you might disagree with me on some things, and that's fine. But at least stop being an arrogant prick like you are when someone criticizes this front office! 

[BTS]

Use the f***ing IL!

[Terminator]

Just now, BTS said:

Use the f***ing IL!

Please, we're begging...

[jaysblue]

21 minutes ago, L54 said:

The path forward is sign 

No you don’t have to go all in. In fact I think that’s the last thing that should happen 

Saddling yourself with 50M in yearly commitments to Bregman/Santander and Pivetta, forfeiting picks to limp into July around .500 would not be smart 

I think it’s clear at this point they are fine with a) taking the comp pick for Bo/Vlad or b) trading them at the deadline if theyre too far from contention 

Nothing they’ve done this offseason suggests otherwise 

The only major player who makes sense at this point is Flaherty 

Yeah that's what they seem intent on doing. I don't agree with it, but whatever. I think if you keep Vlad and Bo around, you have to make some bold moves.

I think you get more for Vlad right now than you do at the trade deadline. 

Forgot about Flaherty, and agreed he would be a nice signing if you can get him on a 5-6 year deal. Would be a nice arm to have around for the re-tool/rebuild post-2025. 

 

[Omar]

42 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Laika's solution is pretty much fill every position with a veteran stopgap on a 1-year deal and hope you get lucky. While I agree with that to an extent given the Jays situation, then you need to explore options of trading Vladdy and Bo. Keeping them around is a waste since you're just keeping the status quo.  

Did it ever occur to you that maybe these guys are content with the status quo?  I don't mean 74 wins status quo, but barely squeeking into the playoffs year after year.  Barring another generational player falling into the Jays laps, they aren't going to be the "going for it team" in the near future.  That's reality.

[jaysblue]

15 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Why do you keep pumping the tires on Kepler? No one gave a crap when you mentioned him before and no one should give a crap that he signed with the Phillies now. He projects worse than Barger. 

I mean, Laika is mentioning some way worse names that are going to cost pretty much the same and who have lower upside. Kepler has had success at the MLB level and would have been a nice bounce back candidate. All I was saying is a team like the Phillies could patch up their roster with these type of guys because they have a strong core already in place. The Jays aren't in that position. 

[jaysblue]

4 minutes ago, Omar said:

Did it ever occur to you that maybe these guys are content with the status quo?  I don't mean 74 wins status quo, but barely squeeking into the playoffs year after year.  Barring another generational player falling into the Jays laps, they aren't going to be the "going for it team" in the near future.  That's reality.

Yeah that's the reality. We've gone from Ohtani, to Soto, to Teo, to Burnes to now signing someone like Austin Hays and Jose Quintana. 

Still a lot of holes for this team to fill before spring training. If Vladdy and Bo give you a combined 10 WAR, they likely are in it for majority of the year, but that still won't be enough. We'll see. 

[Pendleton]

It's a new forum and almost a new year. Not directing at anyone in particular, but can everyone at least attempt to turn over a new leaf and stop with the constant bickering? We are all too old for the stress, nearly all of you are likely good dudes at your core - be kinder to eachother for Pete's sake..

 

Everything with this new forum seems to function much better. Let's try to show some gratitude and not drive new posters away by filling every thread with needless bickering over old rivalries. I rarely say s*** about it but it was getting out of hand on the old board and now starts up here on day one. Just let it go and have this place start up under better vibes. Happy new years! 

[Brownie19]

3 minutes ago, BTS said:

Use the f***ing IL!

I am...

[L54]

9 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah that's what they seem intent on doing. I don't agree with it, but whatever. I think if you keep Vlad and Bo around, you have to make some bold moves.

I think you get more for Vlad right now than you do at the trade deadline. 

Forgot about Flaherty, and agreed he would be a nice signing if you can get him on a 5-6 year deal. Would be a nice arm to have around for the re-tool/rebuild post-2025. 

 

I don’t agree with it either but looks like that’s what’s happening 

Jays are going to need SP’s in 2026 and beyond so Flaherty makes sense whether they’re competing or not. I don’t want to sign anyone with a QO because giving up 2026 picks does not make sense assuming this team wins like 78 games 

[BTS]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

I am...

Thanks! Is it better than the one on the old forum?

[Brownie19]

4 minutes ago, BTS said:

Thanks! Is it better than the one on the old forum?

It has a few more options.  

[Terminator]

So if we sign a QO guy we lose our 2nd rounder and 500k in bonus pool money? And then if we sign another one we lose our 3rd rounder? That's freaking rough, especially with high picks this year.

Though I suppose that any FA with a QO attached would see his price drop due to the forfeiture. But still...

 

[Omar]

11 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

It's a new forum and almost a new year. Not directing at anyone in particular, but can everyone at least attempt to turn over a new leaf and stop with the constant bickering? We are all too old for the stress, nearly all of you are likely good dudes at your core - be kinder to eachother for Pete's sake..

 

Everything with this new forum seems to function much better. Let's try to show some gratitude and not drive new posters away by filling every thread with needless bickering over old rivalries. I rarely say s*** about it but it was getting out of hand on the old board and now starts up here on day one. Just let it go and have this place start up under better vibes. Happy new years! 

Nice sentiment but you know there is someone (?) sitting in front of his computer right now thinking...

Happy New Year everyone!

[Brownie19]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

So if we sign a QO guy we lose our 2nd rounder and 500k in bonus pool money? And then if we sign another one we lose our 3rd rounder? That's freaking rough, especially with high picks this year.

Though I suppose that any FA with a QO attached would see his price drop due to the forfeiture. But still...

 

Agreed.  I don't think it's wise to sign a FA with a QO attached to him.  Target the 1 year guys.

[wilko]

3 minutes ago, Terminator said:

So if we sign a QO guy we lose our 2nd rounder and 500k in bonus pool money? And then if we sign another one we lose our 3rd rounder? That's freaking rough, especially with high picks this year.

Though I suppose that any FA with a QO attached would see his price drop due to the forfeiture. But still...

 

And basically anyone noteworthy that's left has one attached if they sign. 

Nick Pivetta
Anthony Santander
Alex Bregman
Pete Alonso

 

 

[Terminator]

2 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Agreed.  I don't think it's wise to sign a FA with a QO attached to him.  Target the 1 year guys.

It all depends on the price I suppose. If every other team is thinking along the same lines then their could be a deal to be had on Santander or Pivetta. 

[Terminator]

Just now, wilko said:

And basically anyone noteworthy that's left has one attached if they sign. 

Nick Pivetta
Anthony Santander
Alex Bregman
Pete Alonso

 

 

Yeah, Flaherty and Profar don't. Neither does Tanner Scott or the old fart pitchers either.

If we do sign a QO guy, might be a scenario where you sign one of them if you can get a good deal and then at that point might as well double dip and sign another.

[Laika]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

 

What they've needed to do for a while now is figure out the Bo/Vlad situations by either re-signing or trading them.  This would easily help you determine what path this team should be taking going forward. 

Those choices you listed don't justify keeping our 2 best players in their current state and would be a repeat of 2024 but with much better free agency crop that doesn't give you the excuse for f***ing it up.  

They can still trade them at the deadline

[Pendleton]

3 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah, Flaherty and Profar don't. Neither does Tanner Scott or the old fart pitchers either.

If we do sign a QO guy, might be a scenario where you sign one of them if you can get a good deal and then at that point might as well double dip and sign another.

Definitely a big part of the appeal on Flaherty

[Terminator]

Atkins is probably deal hunting at this point after missing on a couple of his big targets. It's frustrating but he should have done it last year and we could have made strong plays for Snell and Chapman.

Instead he tried to jump the market on KK and others and it backfired. Some of the remaining Free Agents are going to sign for less than we think. 

If Atkins can't get a deal on one of the FAs then he can pivot to the trade route and get Jordan Montgomery or Matz for nothing.

[Jays24]

8 minutes ago, Laika said:

They can still trade them at the deadline

Ya for lesser value than you would get if you trade them now.  

[Laika]

17 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Ya for lesser value than you would get if you trade them now.  

Not Bo, if he bounces back 

 

And if Vlad is beasting and some team needs him the return could be the same as this off-season. Who knows. It's not like Juan Soto fetched a massive return from the Yankees - one good SP with some control and then depth slop.

[Terminator]

Flaherty and Profar would both be good signings. High upside and no QO attached. They'd be my targets.

But Pivetta and Tony Taters (Santander) are almost underrated at this point. The QOs suck but it's baked into their cost.

Pivetta has a pretty low floor but also a high ceiling due to his peripherals being so damn good. A 3 year deal for him would not kill the franchise in the slightest.

Tony Taters just hit 44 bombs (!!!) and is projected to hit 35 this year. He's a switch hitter and his defense is almost underrated. He generally performs better in the defensive metrics than people think. If you could get him on a 4 year deal I don't think it would kill us either.

If you got both of them and then made another trade or two to improve the bullpen the team would be smack in the middle of WC contention. Extend Vlad and then you would be in WC contention for the foreseeable future.

 

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, Laika said:

Not Bo, if he bounces back 

 

And if Vlad is beasting and some team needs him the return could be the same as this off-season. Who knows. It's not like Juan Soto fetched a massive return from the Yankees - one good SP with some control and then depth slop.

I would love it if we could get King+ for Vlad... that's if he's out of our budget. 

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Flaherty and Profar would both be good signings. High upside and no QO attached. They'd be my targets.

But Pivetta and Tony Taters (Santander) are almost underrated at this point. The QOs suck but it's baked into their cost.

Pivetta has a pretty low floor but also a high ceiling due to his peripherals being so damn good. A 3 year deal for him would not kill the franchise in the slightest.

Tony Taters just hit 44 bombs (!!!) and is projected to hit 35 this year. He's a switch hitter and his defense is almost underrated. He generally performs better in the defensive metrics than people think. If you could get him on a 4 year deal I don't think it would kill us either.

If you got both of them and then made another trade or two to improve the bullpen the team would be smack in the middle of WC contention. Extend Vlad and then you would be in WC contention for the foreseeable future.

 

There's definitely still a few paths for us to be good next year. Let's hope for all our entertainment values that we take one.  Profar/Flaherty and one of Alonso/Bregman would do it for me.  We must get 1 of the guys attached with a comp pick.  

[wilko]

37 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah, Flaherty and Profar don't. Neither does Tanner Scott or the old fart pitchers either.

If we do sign a QO guy, might be a scenario where you sign one of them if you can get a good deal and then at that point might as well double dip and sign another.

I'd go after Flaherty. He has potential ace upside. 

[Carlos Danger]

51 minutes ago, Terminator said:

So if we sign a QO guy we lose our 2nd rounder and 500k in bonus pool money? And then if we sign another one we lose our 3rd rounder? That's freaking rough, especially with high picks this year.

Though I suppose that any FA with a QO attached would see his price drop due to the forfeiture. But still...

 

I thought we were just over the cap? Wouldn't it be a 2nd, 5th and $1 million international money?

[Terminator]

1 minute ago, Carlos Danger said:

I thought we were just over the cap? Wouldn't it be a 2nd, 5th and $1 million international money?

No we managed to get under with all the deadline trades last year.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/43082037/dodgers-mets-yankees-top-mlb-record-9-luxury-tax-offenders