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Patrick Corbin gave up 11 runs on 13 hits in 3 innings tonight. I wonder if this will finally be the start that actually causes the Nationals to release him.

 

Glad I got a 2nd rounder for him in the LOD haha.

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Too bad how Brent Honeywell Jr.'s career turned out. I remember watching him dominate in the futures game in 2017 and he looked like an absolute stud - Greg Maddux type control. Injuries got he best of him unfortunately and he was never the same, bounced around from team to team he's now pitching in relief for Dodgers.
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It will be interesting to see if this turns out to be a breakout season or an outlier for Brenton Doyle. Elite CF defender but he has a shot at a 30/30 season (currently 18/21) and is slashing .272/.334/.479. His K rate (25.5%) is below 30% for the first time since his partial season of rookie ball after signing in 2019
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It will be interesting to see if this turns out to be a breakout season or an outlier for Brenton Doyle. Elite CF defender but he has a shot at a 30/30 season (currently 18/21) and is slashing .272/.334/.479. His K rate (25.5%) is below 30% for the first time since his partial season of rookie ball after signing in 2019

 

He's a good example of someone with elite tools who figured out how to use them. As you stated, the question is whether he can repeat this success year after year.

Brownie19 New Hampshire Fisher Cats

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D-Backs had the best record in July, now in a playoff spot.

 

That is crazy. All well Jordan Montgomery is rocking an ERA over 6.50 (through 15 starts) and Eduardo Rodriguez hasn't pitched for them. They've also given Slade Cecconi 13 starts and his ERA is about 6. Sewald hasn't been good for them either and Carroll's wRC+ is still <90. It is pretty remarkable they're winning this much!

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How good is Bobby Witt Jr. going to be? What an incredible season he's having as a 24 year old. I think there's a possibility we're watching the start of a career that could end with him being known as the greatest SS in MLB history. That might need an asterisks beside A-Rod who only played half his career at SS and full of PEDs. I also discount Honus Wagner because that was like 7 light years ago.
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How good is Bobby Witt Jr. going to be? What an incredible season he's having as a 24 year old. I think there's a possibility we're watching the start of a career that could end with him being known as the greatest SS in MLB history. That might need an asterisks beside A-Rod who only played half his career at SS and full of PEDs. I also discount Honus Wagner because that was like 7 light years ago.

 

He is elite, but there is a long way to go. He has 15.7 career WAR at age 24. Francisco Lindor by comparison had 22.8 career WAR at the end of his age 24 season.

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How good is Bobby Witt Jr. going to be? What an incredible season he's having as a 24 year old. I think there's a possibility we're watching the start of a career that could end with him being known as the greatest SS in MLB history. That might need an asterisks beside A-Rod who only played half his career at SS and full of PEDs. I also discount Honus Wagner because that was like 7 light years ago.

 

plate discipline is not good enough to be the best ever

 

he is going to have some more seasons where he hits like .260 due to bad luck etc.

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Even Tatis age 22 season was pretty comparable to Witt this year and that shows you can get caught up in a player having an amazing year considering how his career has gone since.

 

Witt has been fantastic but I see him as more of a 6 WAR player than an 8 Win player.

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Even Tatis age 22 season was pretty comparable to Witt this year and that shows you can get caught up in a player having an amazing year considering how his career has gone since.

 

Witt has been fantastic but I see him as more of a 6 WAR player than an 8 Win player.

 

Witt is projected to finish the season around 9-10 WAR, that would blow Tatis' 2021 season out of the water. With that said, I think Tatis' ceiling as a hitter is/was higher than Witt's, better plate discipline with 70 power whereas Witt is a 70 contact 60 power who chases (but makes contact) outside the zone a lot more. Witt is a more complete player though, elite defense at SS to Tatis who was average to bad, and both made an impact on the bases.

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Witt Jr. has an unsustainable .380 BABIP on the year. Projections have him at a BABIP .324 or so. So 1-2 WAR from luck.

 

Elly De La Cruz has 5.1 WAR so far in his age 22 season, will likely end up with 7+ WAR. Witt Jr had 2.4 WAR in his age 22 season.

 

Witt Jr may not even be the best SS of his generation.

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Witt is projected to finish the season around 9-10 WAR, that would blow Tatis' 2021 season out of the water. With that said, I think Tatis' ceiling as a hitter is/was higher than Witt's, better plate discipline with 70 power whereas Witt is a 70 contact 60 power who chases (but makes contact) outside the zone a lot more. Witt is a more complete player though, elite defense at SS to Tatis who was average to bad, and both made an impact on the bases.

 

I think this elite defense is what could separate him (especially from a Tatis, who was never going to stick there).

 

Fair point about Elly - they'll be fun to watch over the next 15 years. Also a fair point about Witt's plate discipline, but he's been BB's up, K's down all 3 years now...so improving in that area.

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Witt Jr. has an unsustainable .380 BABIP on the year. Projections have him at a BABIP .324 or so. So 1-2 WAR from luck.

 

Elly De La Cruz has 5.1 WAR so far in his age 22 season, will likely end up with 7+ WAR. Witt Jr had 2.4 WAR in his age 22 season.

 

Witt Jr may not even be the best SS of his generation.

 

Ah yes, and Elly has a totally sustainable .360 BABIP right? Not to mention the very sustainable 30 points of xWOBA overperformance right? Come on Jim, don't be obtuse just because you own one guy in fantasy. Elly has just as much variance as anyone with that K rate, the defense has been just above average but nowhere near Witt's level, and they're 1A and 1B in terms of sprint speed in the majors, both will post big numbers baserunning wise. Witt is clearly a much better player now, ELDC still has another level to reach to get there.

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Ah yes, and Elly has a totally sustainable .360 BABIP right? Not to mention the very sustainable 30 points of xWOBA overperformance right? Come on Jim, don't be obtuse just because you own one guy in fantasy. Elly has just as much variance as anyone with that K rate, the defense has been just above average but nowhere near Witt's level, and they're 1A and 1B in terms of sprint speed in the majors, both will post big numbers baserunning wise. Witt is clearly a much better player now, ELDC still has another level to reach to get there.

 

Just putting Elly into the convo, dude. Are you saying he shouldn't be?

burlingtonbandit New Hampshire Fisher Cats

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Witt is projected to finish the season around 9-10 WAR, that would blow Tatis' 2021 season out of the water. With that said, I think Tatis' ceiling as a hitter is/was higher than Witt's, better plate discipline with 70 power whereas Witt is a 70 contact 60 power who chases (but makes contact) outside the zone a lot more. Witt is a more complete player though, elite defense at SS to Tatis who was average to bad, and both made an impact on the bases.

 

Well Tatis had 546 PA that year where Witt has 477 heading into tonight so they're closer in playing time at the moment. And their offensive production in wOBA for those years is pretty similar, with Tatis doing it at a younger age.

 

My point was more its easy to get caught up in a young player having success. Injuries/variance happens so while its easy to dream on a hall of fame career lets pump the brakes a bit lol.

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