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It's a new forum and almost a new year. Not directing at anyone in particular, but can everyone at least attempt to turn over a new leaf and stop with the constant bickering? We are all too old for th

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Flaherty and Profar would both be good signings. High upside and no QO attached. They'd be my targets. But Pivetta and Tony Taters (Santander) are almost underrated at this point. The QOs suck bu

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I feel that's literally giving a GM no credit, where credit is due. He doesn't just print contracts for people to sign who want to play here.   I think there's a lot of reasons players choose not to

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If I was going to do a top 10 SP list that did NOT just copy the top 10 projected WARs, it would probably be:

 

Strider

Wheeler

Gausman

Cole

Burnes

Nola

Webb

Gallen

Castillo

Valdez

 

#9 and #10 are really hard. Guys like Lopez and Skubal and Glasnow pop on projections, and guys like Alcantara, Cease, Scherzer, Fried are really good and show up on the last 3 year leaderboards.

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If I was going to do a top 10 SP list that did NOT just copy the top 10 projected WARs, it would probably be:

 

Strider

Wheeler

Gausman

Cole

Burnes

Nola

Webb

Gallen

Castillo

Valdez

 

#9 and #10 are really hard. Guys like Lopez and Skubal and Glasnow pop on projections, and guys like Alcantara, Cease, Scherzer, Fried are really good and show up on the last 3 year leaderboards.

 

Agreed. Hard to look past George Kirby also.

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Shoto Imanaga deal with the Cubs seems weird. Might be very light vs. expectations.

 

"Reporting has indicated that the deal guarantees Imanaga just $30MM over two years and involves a complex series of options as well as incentives that could bring the total guarantee to around $80MM over a longer term."

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Shoto Imanaga deal with the Cubs seems weird. Might be very light vs. expectations.

 

"Reporting has indicated that the deal guarantees Imanaga just $30MM over two years and involves a complex series of options as well as incentives that could bring the total guarantee to around $80MM over a longer term."

 

Reminds me of the Maeda deal with LA where they were protected against his arm injury by a series of vesting options. Does Imanaga have a long injury track record?

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Agreed. Hard to look past George Kirby also.

 

Justin Steele? maybe not quite enough track record to be in a top 10 convo but It would definitely not be shocking to see him near the top of any pitching leaderboard in 2024

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Reminds me of the Maeda deal with LA where they were protected against his arm injury by a series of vesting options. Does Imanaga have a long injury track record?

 

Doesn't really look like it. Just looking at GS and innings, from 2016 through 2023 he appears to have never missed significant time

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Shoto Imanaga deal with the Cubs seems weird. Might be very light vs. expectations.

 

"Reporting has indicated that the deal guarantees Imanaga just $30MM over two years and involves a complex series of options as well as incentives that could bring the total guarantee to around $80MM over a longer term."

 

Sounds like cubs got a pretty good deal. Should give them 150ip at a 3.90 era

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Stroman is a baby. He's not the kind of character you win with.

 

Guys been through a lot and got sucked into social media a bit. Whoever gets him is probably getting 170 ip at a 3.55 era. Surprised San Fran is not going after him. Maybe he'll do a 1 year deal then reenter next year. His arm won't break.

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Reminds me of the Maeda deal with LA where they were protected against his arm injury by a series of vesting options. Does Imanaga have a long injury track record?

 

I think it's more incase he sucks. Sounds like he's a crafty lefty that might only be a #4/5. He's short for a SP too.

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/shota-imanaga-scouting-report-cubs-add-key-piece-to-rotation/

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Read on mlbtr that Cashman was scared off Immanaga because of his flyback rates lol

 

Seems like a real concern from everything I've read but it does seem like it's an acceptable risk for the contract terms he got.

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We might see a lot of Stroman... :P

 

Jan. 10: Yanks emerge as top suitor for Stroman (report)

MLB Network insider Jon Paul Morosi reports that the Yankees have emerged as the "top candidate" to sign Marcus Stroman after having "productive discussions" with the right-handed pitcher in recent days.

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We might see a lot of Stroman... :P

 

I don't think anyone really fears Stroman. He's just a good reliable starter if you can put up with antics and smug attitude.

 

And he'll be Hell bent on beating the Jays for sure

 

The Jays already hit a metric f*** ton of ground balls. Maybe they will just BABIP him to death. He's not striking Jays out.

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I don't think anyone really fears Stroman. He's just a good reliable starter if you can put up with antics and smug attitude.

 

 

 

The Jays already hit a metric f*** ton of ground balls. Maybe they will just BABIP him to death. He's not striking Jays out.

 

Thanks tips.

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Wow Suter only 1 x 3m. Would have taken him as a long man / 6th sp

 

6th SP?

 

I don't think he's started in any meaningful way since like, 2018. Just some 2 inning opener appearances, probably.

 

0.1 WAR projection.

 

The team models obviously don't think he's much better than replacement level. Probably a push with Mitch White

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Meh some teams were thinking of stretching him out apparently.

 

Clemens had him at 2/18m and top 50 FA

 

He's just one of those fip beaters no one believes in.

 

He's basically top 5% every year in exit velo against

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Meh some teams were thinking of stretching him out apparently.

 

Clemens had him at 2/18m and top 50 FA

 

He's just one of those fip beaters no one believes in.

 

He's basically top 5% every year in exit velo against

 

Yeah his peripherals like K rate, BB rate, etc. never look great but when you look at his Statcast page you see that he is one of the best in the biz at limiting hard contact.

 

That's a great signing for the Reds and I'm surprised he couldn't do better. He needs a better agent to sell his skills.

L54 Vancouver Canadians

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Remember when it seemed like a foregone conclusion that Toronto would trade him to the Yankees and then they sent him to the… Mets. Good times

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