Around Baseball 2024

[Spanky__99]

I’d take one year of Teo over 2 of IKF but not anything to gloom over I guess.

 

One player has nothing to do with the other.

[connorp]

One player has nothing to do with the other.

 

Dollar spent is dollars spent, dbag. I’ll bet your mom tied your shoes until the 4th grade at least.

[Frenchsoup]

Immanaga signing Thursday at the latest, thought he would get 100 million but it seems like he'll get way less, I think 4 or 5 years at 90 mill

[Marew]

Yea I would do that deal. Trade for Xander and sign bellinger and call it an off-season.

[Terminator]

This Teo signing kind of highlights why the KK signing was smart, even though he doesn't appear to be the best fit on paper.

 

KK out WAR'd Teo last year by a good amount and is projected to do so again on a per game basis in 2024.

 

Yet Teo got 1 year and 23.5M (with deferrals) and KK got 1 year and 10.5M.

[Laika]

This Teo signing kind of highlights why the KK signing was smart, even though he doesn't appear to be the best fit on paper.

 

KK out WAR'd Teo last year by a good amount and is projected to do so again on a per game basis in 2024.

 

Yet Teo got 1 year and 23.5M (with deferrals) and KK got 1 year and 10.5M.

 

The KK signing is the Toronto front office saying that:

 

1. a run is a run, a win is a win

2. they don't believe Varsho is somehow elite in CF but not uber-elite in LF, and that was just 2023 statistical noise

3. the market is not valuing defense properly so they will go ahead and buy defense even if everyone thinks they need offense

4. they think enough offense will come from incumbent regression

5. they can still add thump in other spots

6. depth = flexibility = roster flexibility = trade flexibility

[Stangstag]

This Teo signing kind of highlights why the KK signing was smart, even though he doesn't appear to be the best fit on paper.

 

KK out WAR'd Teo last year by a good amount and is projected to do so again on a per game basis in 2024.

 

Yet Teo got 1 year and 23.5M (with deferrals) and KK got 1 year and 10.5M.

 

Teoscar has the potential upside of producing a 3-4 WAR season while KK does not. Risk/reward. You're cherry-picking by only using last year's numbers.

[Frenchsoup]

If Teo doesn't put up 2 WAR in that great lineup...you know the d in LF will be atrocious... negative asset to the clubhouse. Saw enough of the scrub.

[Terminator]

Teoscar has the potential upside of producing a 3-4 WAR season while KK does not. Risk/reward. You're cherry-picking by only using last year's numbers.

 

No I'm not, I also used the projections which incorporate their career numbers.

[Stangstag]

No I'm not, I also used the projections which incorporate their career numbers.

 

Yeah I knew you would say that… idk seems like the projections tend to see defense as more repeatable than offense with him. His offensive projections have been consistently wrong every year, except last year which was a career-worst.

 

We’ll see if 2023 was the outlier or if he has another 130 wRC+ season. I tend to feel he’s closer to that 130 number than the 110 projected

[Spanky__99]

No I'm not, I also used the projections which incorporate their career numbers.

 

Last 2 seasons, not their career.

[Terminator]

On top of it, I don't think people realize how good KK was last year nor how bad Teoscar was.

 

KK's fWAR was low because they incorporate UZR a lot and KK's UZR numbers were modest while DRS and OAA rated him as elite. That's why he got nearly 4 bWAR last year.

 

Teoscar was helped in that he played 160 games last year so he was an accumulator and also because he had a career year defensively at age 31. Maybe he really did play better defense last year or maybe it was just noise. Either way, I wouldn't expect him to be average or better in the field moving forward. So if he played his typical 130-140 games to go along with his typical defensive numbers he would have been damn near replacement level.

[Terminator]

Last 2 seasons, not their career.

 

I thought Steamer incorporates 5 years and Zips does 4.

[Terminator]

Yeah I knew you would say that… idk seems like the projections tend to see defense as more repeatable than offense with him. His offensive projections have been consistently wrong every year, except last year which was a career-worst.

 

We’ll see if 2023 was the outlier or if he has another 130 wRC+ season. I tend to feel he’s closer to that 130 number than the 110 projected

 

Well the Dodgers are making a bet on him so yeah you are probably right. But none of this is meant to be a knock on Teoscar. The fact that it's even somewhat of a discussion highlights how good of value KK provides on modest one year contracts like this.

[Stangstag]

On top of it, I don't think people realize how good KK was last year nor how bad Teoscar was.

 

KK's fWAR was low because they incorporate UZR a lot and KK's UZR numbers were modest while DRS and OAA rated him as elite. That's why he got nearly 4 bWAR last year.

 

Teoscar was helped in that he played 160 games last year so he was an accumulator and also because he had a career year defensively at age 31. Maybe he really did play better defense last year or maybe it was just noise. Either way, I wouldn't expect him to be average or better in the field moving forward. So if he played his typical 130-140 games to go along with his typical defensive numbers he would have been damn near replacement level.

 

Im not disagreeing that Teoscar sucked last year and that KK was clearly better. Im just saying I highly doubt that will be the case for 2024.

 

The Dodgers clearly think Teo will rebound, and so do I.

[Spanky__99]

I thought Steamer incorporates 5 years and Zips does 4.

 

Really? I have something messed up maybe, but I thought I read it's the last 2, kind of positive I read that.

[connorp]

Not sure if mentioned but Cali is now trying to close the loophole on what Ohtani is trying to do with regards to avoiding state tax. A little too high profile lol

[Stangstag]

Not sure if mentioned but Cali is now trying to close the loophole on what Ohtani is trying to do with regards to avoiding state tax. A little too high profile lol

 

Lol if true

[Frenchsoup]

Yeah Duvall would have made the dodgers better for about 3 mill

[L54]

[Frenchsoup]

Immanaga to the Cubs

[Jimcanuck]

 

Stroman still out there, nice target for the Jays. He's worked out of bullpen, come postseason he'd be real valuable IMO

[Jays24]

Stroman still out there, nice target for the Jays. He's worked out of bullpen, come postseason he'd be real valuable IMO

 

He'll probably go to the Yankees (my guess).

[L54]

The Yankees should definitely sign him. They need innings in that rotation

[Spanky__99]

Stroman was trending yesterday, he informed the Yankees that he was available and they declined or something like that. lol

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Spanky99

[L54]

I saw that too lol, not sure I buy it but funny if true

[Jonn]

People throw out the craziest s***. Shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

 

Stroman was trending yesterday, he informed the Yankees that he was available and they declined or something like that. lol

 

 

 

[Spanky__99]

No Gausman??? lmao

 

[Stangstag]

Yeah free speech shouldn’t be allowed. Idiot

 

Free speech doesn’t mean you’re free to slander whoever you want without consequence

[Sorrow]

Gausman is like the 2nd best pitcher in baseball the last 3 seasons and the best in the AL since he’s come over. It always amazes me how people sleep on him