Around Baseball 2024

[Dick_Pole]

Connor is getting onto the race side of things, but I do get his point. More of a class/culture thing than race though. This is hearsay from other places online because I did no research on it but apparently some states allow marriages with girls as young as 14 to adults as long as the parents consent. We all can imagine the moral fallacy around this kind of set up. Apparently highly religious rural (and presumably poor and white and very much not the drunk partying type) areas make use of these loopholes.

[Dick_Pole]

Would your guys view change if this was an ongoing relationship with a 14 year old girl?

 

It raises the floor and lowers the ceiling on the range of possibilities of what he could be.

 

If it's an actual relationship with actual emotions involved, at least we can say he's likely not a predator. A predator like a hockey coach ends up molesting dozens of kids to fulfill their perversion. They don't view the children or teenagers as people, but as objects. He wouldn't be on that level. The floor is raised.

 

But it also lowers the ceiling in that it's possible he could be a groomer. Or there is something wrong with him that he has the emotional level of a 14 year old that he connects with one on a romantic level. Given that he's married and has a kid, it's not a good look either way. It's just not on the same level as "OMFG he's a child predator give him the Old Yeller treatment" as Connor stated.

[L54]

It raises the floor and lowers the ceiling on the range of possibilities of what he could be.

 

If it's an actual relationship with actual emotions involved, at least we can say he's likely not a predator. A predator like a hockey coach ends up molesting dozens of kids to fulfill their perversion. They don't view the children or teenagers as people, but as objects. He wouldn't be on that level. The floor is raised.

 

But it also lowers the ceiling in that it's possible he could be a groomer. Or there is something wrong with him that he has the emotional level of a 14 year old that he connects with one on a romantic level. Given that he's married and has a kid, it's not a good look either way. It's just not on the same level as "OMFG he's a child predator give him the Old Yeller treatment" as Connor stated.

 

Oof I did not know he was married with a child

 

Maybe he’s not a predator but I believe the situation involves more than one girl which is obviously more predatory in nature

 

I don’t think he deserves the death penalty by any stretch but I’m not interested in trying to justify the reasoning why a 22 year old is having sexual relations with young teenagers

[Dick_Pole]

Oof I did not know he was married with a child

 

Maybe he’s not a predator but I believe the situation involves more than one girl which is obviously more predatory in nature

 

I don’t think he deserves the death penalty by any stretch but I’m not interested in trying to justify the reasoning why a 22 year old is having sexual relations with young teenagers

 

Agreed not a good situation to want to think about no matter what the actual details.

 

I don't like having the appearance of defending him, but I'm kind of thrust into it because I see so many words like pedophile being thrown around. A bit on this site but more so everywhere else. Meanwhile men like Karl Malone, Jimmy Page, Steven Tyler and any number of politicians and rich men walk away scot free? Wander Franco is the line in the sand everyone wants to draw as the most heinous person on earth?

[Jimcanuck]

A 21 yr old with a 14 yr old, and knowing her age, is a pedophile. The fact that there are other alleged situations as bad or worse doesn't factor into it at all.

[Terminator]

A 21 yr old with a 14 yr old, and knowing her age, is a pedophile. The fact that there are other alleged situations as bad or worse doesn't factor into it at all.

 

I agree but 21 and 14 sounds like the ages of when half of my Mexican friend's parents met lol

 

I still don't like it. And it seems like this a pretty big no no in the DR. I say lock him up. Toss her mom in the clink for a while too. It's disgusting and we need to make examples out of them.

[Jimcanuck]

Franco has been charged with commercial sexual exploitation and money laundering.

 

He's a pimp?

[John_Havok]

Franco has been charged with commercial sexual exploitation and money laundering.

 

He's a pimp?

 

The money laundering thing is related to him allegedly paying money to the mother, so maybe it’s a different definition of money laundering than up here?

[Spanky__99]

Bader to the Mets for $10M

 

basically the KK deal

 

good r/r for the Mets but man he has sucked the last 2 seasons

 

We got KK on a team friendly deal. Nice one by RA.

[Stangstag]

Yeah everyone needs to get off their high horse. This seems to be like a Franco 19yo hooking up with underage girls who are out at wild parties. Any male here with at least normal T levels when they were in school could’ve fallen into same thing. Maybe they don’t carry it on past the initial thing, or once they find out how old she is. But this man is not a pedophile. Pedophiles in my opinion should get nothing less than the Old Yeller treatment. This is not that though

 

Stop while you’re ahead

[Dick_Pole]

I agree but 21 and 14 sounds like the ages of when half of my Mexican friend's parents met lol

 

I still don't like it. And it seems like this a pretty big no no in the DR. I say lock him up. Toss her mom in the clink for a while too. It's disgusting and we need to make examples out of them.

 

Not just Mexican cultures. I have living relatives who met at similar types of ages. You see sometimes on the news about couples married for 80 years or whatever and it's presented in such a cutesy way. Then they say the ages of the people and it's something like 99 for the man and 94 for the woman. Well, do the math on that lol.

 

People might be disgusted about it or in denial, but this type of stuff was commonplace for most of human history and in many cultures. Should we move away from this practice? Of course. But should we also have a grace period where men in their early 20's shouldn't automatically be labelled the worst of human scum for dating a teenaged girl until acceptance of this practice is culturally and generationally cleaned out? I think that's fair too. And that doesn't exclude the possibility that Franco could be the lowest of scum once we learn more about the cases.

 

I've said my peace about the situation. Now everyone can go back to the arm's race of who hates child molesters the most online so they can feel better about themselves and feel that they are better fathers to their daughters for it.

[L54]

Man you’re literally defending millionaires banging 14 year olds and then make some back handed comment about parenting skills lmao. Does this hit close to home or something?

 

Sorry but 77 and 86 year old grandparents who grew up in the 40’s in towns of 300 people isn’t the same

 

It’s also not a 19 year old kid who graduated last year having a one night stand with a 17 year old high school senior with a November birthday

[Brownie19]

Hell of a start to the 2024 Around Baseball thread...

[Stangstag]

Not just Mexican cultures. I have living relatives who met at similar types of ages. You see sometimes on the news about couples married for 80 years or whatever and it's presented in such a cutesy way. Then they say the ages of the people and it's something like 99 for the man and 94 for the woman. Well, do the math on that lol.

 

People might be disgusted about it or in denial, but this type of stuff was commonplace for most of human history and in many cultures. Should we move away from this practice? Of course. But should we also have a grace period where men in their early 20's shouldn't automatically be labelled the worst of human scum for dating a teenaged girl until acceptance of this practice is culturally and generationally cleaned out? I think that's fair too. And that doesn't exclude the possibility that Franco could be the lowest of scum once we learn more about the cases.

 

I've said my peace about the situation. Now everyone can go back to the arm's race of who hates child molesters the most online so they can feel better about themselves and feel that they are better fathers to their daughters for it.

 

80 years ago is not current times. Big difference. Things change.

[Terminator]

Not just Mexican cultures. I have living relatives who met at similar types of ages. You see sometimes on the news about couples married for 80 years or whatever and it's presented in such a cutesy way. Then they say the ages of the people and it's something like 99 for the man and 94 for the woman. Well, do the math on that lol.

 

People might be disgusted about it or in denial, but this type of stuff was commonplace for most of human history and in many cultures. Should we move away from this practice? Of course. But should we also have a grace period where men in their early 20's shouldn't automatically be labelled the worst of human scum for dating a teenaged girl until acceptance of this practice is culturally and generationally cleaned out? I think that's fair too. And that doesn't exclude the possibility that Franco could be the lowest of scum once we learn more about the cases.

 

I've said my peace about the situation. Now everyone can go back to the arm's race of who hates child molesters the most online so they can feel better about themselves and feel that they are better fathers to their daughters for it.

 

I don't think this is common practice in the DR in current times though. If it was even somewhat common they'd let it slide for a millionaire baseball player. So I get having certain allowances for different times/cultures but this instance doesn't fit that bill.

[glory]

Michael Brantley is retiring apparently. I say apparently because the source is Morosi, so he could be signing with a big league team as I type this.

[Jimcanuck]

Have not been to DR in some time, but in 1994, Boca Chica was the sex capital, and in my estimation from when I was there, 90% of the sex trade workers were minors.

 

I doubt that has changed much.

 

To be clear, my buddy and I did not partake, we paired up with some Canadian girls at the resort.

[Laika]

Man performed a census on the Boca Chica sex workers 30 years ago but swears he did "not partake"

[Jimcanuck]

Man performed a census on the Boca Chica sex workers 30 years ago but swears he did "not partake"

 

The sex workers were in every open bar on the main drag, and made themselves very visible. Not hard, friendo

[Terminator]

Lol nice try Jim

[Dick_Pole]

Man youÂ’re literally defending millionaires banging 14 year olds and then make some back handed comment about parenting skills lmao. Does this hit close to home or something?

 

Sorry but 77 and 86 year old grandparents who grew up in the 40Â’s in towns of 300 people isnÂ’t the same

 

ItÂ’s also not a 19 year old kid who graduated last year having a one night stand with a 17 year old high school senior with a November birthday

 

Uhh, well no. I'm the one who brought up other millionaires banging teenagers and the hypocrisy of society picking and choosing which ones they want to be mad at. I also haven't described Wander Franco with one positive trait, but used a whole host of negative ones. Just because I don't think screaming "CHILD MOLESTER PEDO!!!" is an appropriate conclusion and that should be reserved for the worst child (aka pre-teen) sex offenders, apparently that's defending him?

[Laika]

I don't see the point in grading Franco's morality.

 

Whatever happens to him criminally is a standalone matter. Doesn't really matter if he is an 80 grade creep or just a 60 grade creep.

 

The relevant question here is just... does he ever have a chance of playing in MLB again? Pretty obvious the answer is no

[Terminator]

Yeah the best he can hope for is NPB at some point. Not sure how they would view this but that door might be slammed as well.

[Dick_Pole]

Have not been to DR in some time, but in 1994, Boca Chica was the sex capital, and in my estimation from when I was there, 90% of the sex trade workers were minors.

 

I doubt that has changed much.

 

To be clear, my buddy and I did not partake, we paired up with some Canadian girls at the resort.

 

*Morgan Freeman narration*: "However, the Canadians girls were also 15 years old".

[Terminator]

Michael Brantley is retiring apparently. I say apparently because the source is Morosi, so he could be signing with a big league team as I type this.

 

He would have been a good target for the DH spot.

[Terminator]

 

Speaking of DH targets, Joc Pederson and Devante Adams were both WRs on the same high school football team. Joc Pederson was WR1.

[Spanky__99]

Michael Brantley is retiring apparently. I say apparently because the source is Morosi, so he could be signing with a big league team as I type this.

 

Damn.

[Stangstag]

Yeah the best he can hope for is NPB at some point. Not sure how they would view this but that door might be slammed as well.

 

Honestly think he could easily find a gig in the KBO and be a superstar there. Plus all the women look 14 anyways so it would be a paradise for him.

[Pendleton]

Man performed a census on the Boca Chica sex workers 30 years ago but swears he did "not partake"

 

To this day, the locals still refer to him as El Viejo Espeluznante

[The Cats Ass]

Honestly think he could easily find a gig in the KBO and be a superstar there. Plus all the women look 14 anyways so it would be a paradise for him.

 

Not sure about the KBO. Age of consent in South Korea is 20.

 

NPB might be more likely. Japan's age of consent was 13 up until this past Summer.