Ohtani Thread - Special Sheriff's Edition (Update: confirmed going to the Dodgers)

[Spanky99]

Oof... well, that sucked.

[Jimcanuck]

Salary cap would be much better.... just saying

 

Same would apply, the present value of deferred (future) payments would be applied to the cap.

[BatFlip]

Im saying that this will definitely cause issues in the next CBA negotiations. This shouldn’t be allowed

 

Exactly. This is going to be heavily exploited by the teams with money to burn and defeats the spirit of the rules. The luxury cap is ******** anyways, there should be a hard cap, both max and min.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I just read that Robert Herjavec is also affiliated with CAA. The same agency that represents Ohtani.

 

Haha

 

Call me crazy but it sure seems like that whole fiasco on Friday was stirred up by Ohtani's reps to get the Dodgers to throw another huge offer in.

 

Quite the coincidence that they'd send the guy from Anaheim to Toronto on a plane that Ohtani flies on, and of course it "somehow" gets out there that Ohtani is the one on the plane, and of course some Dodgers media people get fed info that Ohtani has chosen the jays at the same time that a jet Ohtani usually flies on is going from Anaheim to Toronto. And then just like that, the next day Ohtani signs for $700 million with the Dodgers.

 

lol

 

 

https://www.caa.com/caaspeakers/robert-herjavec

[Grant77]

I just read that Robert Herjavec is also affiliated with CAA. The same agency that represents Ohtani.

 

Haha

 

Call me crazy but it sure seems like that whole fiasco on Friday was stirred up by Ohtani's reps to get the Dodgers to throw another huge offer in.

 

Quite the coincidence that they'd send the guy from Anaheim to Toronto on a plane that Ohtani flies on, and of course it "somehow" gets out there that Ohtani is the one on the plane, and of course some Dodgers media people get fed info that Ohtani has chosen the jays at the same time that a jet Ohtani usually flies on is going from Anaheim to Toronto. And then just like that, the next day Ohtani signs for $700 million with the Dodgers.

 

lol

 

 

https://www.caa.com/caaspeakers/robert-herjavec

 

There's little question that Ohtani's reps put it out there. He and his representatives are total pieces of s***. It's a shame that the league's best player has to be like that but hopefully he just burn out and leave the Dodgers with an albatross contract.

[Laika]

I just read that Robert Herjavec is also affiliated with CAA. The same agency that represents Ohtani.

 

Haha

 

Call me crazy but it sure seems like that whole fiasco on Friday was stirred up by Ohtani's reps to get the Dodgers to throw another huge offer in.

 

Quite the coincidence that they'd send the guy from Anaheim to Toronto on a plane that Ohtani flies on, and of course it "somehow" gets out there that Ohtani is the one on the plane, and of course some Dodgers media people get fed info that Ohtani has chosen the jays at the same time that a jet Ohtani usually flies on is going from Anaheim to Toronto. And then just like that, the next day Ohtani signs for $700 million with the Dodgers.

 

lol

 

 

https://www.caa.com/caaspeakers/robert-herjavec

 

Tough to see it any other way tbh

 

Camp Ohtani might have sewered that Hoonstra guy's entire career...

[max silver]

Tough to see it any other way tbh

 

Camp Ohtani might have sewered that Hoonstra guy's entire career...

 

Morosi really got burned by this as well.

[Laika]

Morosi really got burned by this as well.

 

Okay my assumption there is Morosi burned himself

[Terminator]

Tough to see it any other way tbh

 

Camp Ohtani might have sewered that Hoonstra guy's entire career...

 

Journalistic standards generally require two sources independent of one another.

 

If CAA did burn him (I’m not convinced of any speculation or reporting in this stuff anymore) he likely forewent that standard.

 

Or it’s possible he was in on it and they will throw him some bones in the future. Burning the Jays can be forgiven.

 

Who knows what happened. I don’t really believe anything including the narrative that CAA carefully planned all of this. Hopefully the Jays eventually spill the beans and Passan or Rosenthal write up what actually happened.

[BTS]

Hoornstra explained himself, kinda

 

https://dodgersnation.com/from-the-editorial-team-at-dodgers-nation-an-acknowledgment-and-a-commitment-to-grow/2023/12/10/

[RobinThicc]

Just seems like bad reporting by Morosi. Rosenthal said he heard from a "credible" source that Ohtani was going to TOR. He dug a little deeper and found out it wasnt true. I imagine that info was passed around to other insiders, Morosi and that Dodgers writer too.

 

Morosi gets the tidbit, tweets out a decision is "imminent", probably believing that its the Jays based on his source but isnt 100% sure yet, so he doesnt say the team.

 

The LA writer see's this tweet from Morosi and starts believing the info they recieved is real and decides he'll drop the bomb.

 

Then someone feeds Morosi some false info about the plane heading to Toronto. Morosi himself says CAA did not confirm if Ohtani was on the plane, but he probably thinks they dont want to leak it, so he puts two and two together and drops the bomb that Ohtani was on his way to Toronto. Neither of his scoops were true, he failed to verify either of them and still reported it.

[BaseballIsLife]

Maybe I’m old fashioned but until there is a confirmed transaction from MLB’s website, everything is just crap. Does Carlos Correa last offseason not ring a bell?

[Jays24]

Still cant believe that the guy got 700M while currently being hurt for 50% of what he's being paid to do. Trust me, I wanted Ohtani but no player should be worth 700M at age 30.

 

Now I just hope we are able to pivot to improve our team with very few trade assets and a crappy free agent market lol.

[deanmike]

Hoornstra explained himself, kinda

 

https://dodgersnation.com/from-the-editorial-team-at-dodgers-nation-an-acknowledgment-and-a-commitment-to-grow/2023/12/10/

 

Lmfao they pretty much blatantly say in this article that they knew reporting on this information early could have caused a change in how this played out.

 

We also know we were the first to report on Ohtani’s decision, willing to accept backlash in the event he changed his mind. News of that magnitude can affect everything from algorithm-based ticket prices to human-based television programming decisions to fan sentiment. In this case, it did all of the above. The second-to-last thing any media outlet wants to do is become part of a story.

 

The last line of this blurb made me laugh the hardest. Yeah f***ing right Dodgersnation. They are extremely happy they became part of the story and played a part in Ohtani to the Dodgers, basically admitting that things took a 180 degree turn after their story was published.

 

We know some of what changed in the span of one day. Following our initial report, the Dodgers made one last offer to Ohtani representing a significant increase from their previous offer. Ohtani formally accepted that offer after the Friday night meeting. In some corners of the front offices in Toronto and Los Angeles, the expected outcome of the biggest free-agent pursuit in baseball history shifted 180 degrees.

 

The people at Dodgersnation are absolute human scum pieces of s***. Their Ohtani to the Blue Jays story was a blatant Hail Mary anti jinx attempt that f***ing worked. Moral of the story, a lot of the time the good guys don't win.

[Marew]

Nobody knew is was a done deal especially the dodgers nation people. Ohtani is a baby back bitch and is greedier than hitler.

[jaysblue]

Oof... well, that sucked.

 

Spanky enters the discussion after 24 hours haha

[Stangstag]

Spanky enters the discussion after 24 hours haha

 

Friday/Saturday was a great time to be busy doing other things to avoid the shitstorm

[Grant77]

Hoornstra explained himself, kinda

 

https://dodgersnation.com/from-the-editorial-team-at-dodgers-nation-an-acknowledgment-and-a-commitment-to-grow/2023/12/10/

 

They received false information from Ohtani's camp. Ken Rosenthal also received that information and presumably so did JP Morosi. Rosenthal presumably got that refuted by the Dodgers or Blue Jays, while Morosi and Hoornstra did not so they went ahead and published their stories. Very scummy and reprehensible behaviour by Ohtani and his agents either way.

[BTS]

Jesus Christ guys, go for a walk or something

[Key22]

Passan notes that Major League Baseball applies a discount to deferrals in luxury tax calculations to determine the present-day value of contracts. Given the fact that “most of” Ohtani’s contract is expected to be deferred, Passan suggests that Ohtani’s deal, for luxury tax purposes, is expected to settle in the range of $40MM to $50MM when all is said and done. While those numbers aren’t final and won’t figure to become exact until the contract is properly finalized and announced, that range substantially alters the impact Ohtani will have on LA’s luxury tax bill over his decade-long tenure with the club."

 

"Ohtani’s luxury tax hit for the 2024 season were to shrink from the $70MM his on-paper AAV would suggest to a figure in the range of $45MM, that would put the club’s luxury tax payroll at roughly $219MM using the numbers supplied by RosterResource. For a Dodgers club that saw its luxury tax payroll land at $267MM last year after peaking at a whopping $293MM in 2022 (per Cot’s Baseball Contracts), that would leave the Dodgers with the ability to add upwards of $50MM before even matching their 2023 payroll for luxury tax purposes, and just under $75MM in room before their hit their all-time high."

 

 

They will easily be able to give $300m to Yamamoto/and also sign both Bellinger and Snell if they want to. Indeed, without even breaking a sweat.

[Terminator]

 

They will easily be able to give $300m to Yamamoto/and also sign both Bellinger and Snell if they want to. Indeed, without even breaking a sweat.

 

So could Rogers who has more money than the Dodgers'. They just choose not to spend it in the same way that they do.

[Terminator]

They received false information from Ohtani's camp. Ken Rosenthal also received that information and presumably so did JP Morosi. Rosenthal presumably got that refuted by the Dodgers or Blue Jays, while Morosi and Hoornstra did not so they went ahead and published their stories. Very scummy and reprehensible behaviour by Ohtani and his agents either way.

 

You can't possibly know this all because 1) you can't provide sources for it all and 2) even if you can the sourcing on this whole ordeal was so putridly bad that you shouldn't trust it anyway.

 

We got outbid. Doesn't matter how, but we did.

[Jays24]

Kind of hard to fault rogers when they've invested so damn much into the team on the field as well as off it. Need to start producing some damn playoff wins on it and that should be squarely on Shatkins, not Rogers. The fact we were even so close to getting Ohtani says enough about Ownership.

 

Just need the baseball guys to do their damn job and put a complete team on the field. One year it's our bullpen, the next it's our defense then it's our hitting. Hoping 2024 is the year for a complete team...

[Krylian]

Kind of hard to fault rogers when they've invested so damn much into the team on the field as well as off it. Need to start producing some damn playoff wins on it and that should be squarely on Shatkins, not Rogers. The fact we were even so close to getting Ohtani says enough about Ownership.

 

Just need the baseball guys to do their damn job and put a complete team on the field. One year it's our bullpen, the next it's our defense then it's our hitting. Hoping 2024 is the year for a complete team...

 

We don't really know how close we were. Jays could've been well been complete pawns in this entire process. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

[Spanky99]

Spanky enters the discussion after 24 hours haha

 

Was at my buddy's cabin...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Rusty_Savage]

So could Rogers who has more money than the Dodgers'. They just choose not to spend it in the same way that they do.

I read an article the other day that said with the NHL contract up in 2 years and change that they are going to switch to a primarily baseball platform. Take it with as many grains of salt as you choose but if that's the case you would think they will want to field a winning team. Hopefully that translates into more spending on the on field product.

 

It wasn't that long that players were going to defer salaries to sign Ervin Santana and now we are offering Shohei 600M. I get its apples and oranges but we are definitely going in the right direction.

 

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[Stangstag]

Was at my buddy's cabin...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Great timing dude. We had the s*** kicked out of us. Mentally draining couple days

[Terminator]

I read an article the other day that said with the NHL contract up in 2 years and change that they are going to switch to a primarily baseball platform. Take it with as many grains of salt as you choose but if that's the case you would think they will want to field a winning team. Hopefully that translates into more spending on the on field product.

 

It wasn't that long that players were going to defer salaries to sign Ervin Santana and now we are offering Shohei 600M. I get its apples and oranges but we are definitely going in the right direction.

 

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Yeah we almost signed the second coming of Babe Ruth. There was one team in front of us and we forced them into a Saudi Arabia-style overpay to get him.

 

I'm disappointed as hell but I'm not really mad at anyone other than the American media who were liars and frauds through this whole ordeal and now that it's over they are being smug ****s about it (Heyman's latest being the prime example).

 

But I don't blame Ohtani, the Dodgers, Atkins, Rogers, or anyone else. We gave it a good shot but in the end he seemed to prefer the Dodgers and the Dodgers were all in.

 

Most of the top FAs and trade targets are still on the board so time to regroup and spend the money we have to improve the team.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Terminator

[Terminator]

Was at my buddy's cabin...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Dear god, imagine the amount of drugs and alcohol that were consumed on a winter weekend cabin retreat with Spanky.

[Jays24]

We don't really know how close we were. Jays could've been well been complete pawns in this entire process. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

 

Even if they were complete pawns, it made the Dodgers pay 700M, which gives them less money to outbid teams on other players.

 

I'm disappointed we didn't get him either but it is what it is. Now go find other ways to make your team better.