General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Spanky99]

Hazel gives a little more info...

 

[Terminator]

 

So in the 3 ABs I've seen in Spring Training he hit a homer off Wheeler and then got a walk and a single against Gausman.

 

The guy's spring slashline is 1.000/1.000/2.500 against bon a fide MLB aces.

 

I've seen enough, bring him north.

[MikeM3]

Wes Parsons high leverage reliever

[deanmike]

Okay... that was click bait by Matheson, when put in context he'll be pitching Sunday in Tampa or Monday in Houston.

 

Matheson quoted someone from the team with the "We just want him to be good, and if that means 30 starts as opposed to 32, we’ll be pretty happy with that.”

 

So someone from the team itself is saying he could miss 1-2 starts to begin the regular season.

[Jimcanuck]

Votto will add 2 WAR just being in the clubhouse

[BTS]

So in the 3 ABs I've seen in Spring Training he hit a homer off Wheeler and then got a walk and a single against Gausman.

 

The guy's spring slashline is 1.000/1.000/2.500 against bon a fide MLB aces.

 

I've seen enough, bring him north.

 

There is absolutely no reason not to have a Serven, Clement, Votto, Biggio bench. Just trade Espinal or DFA him.

[Spanky99]

Matheson quoted someone from the team with the "We just want him to be good, and if that means 30 starts as opposed to 32, we’ll be pretty happy with that.”

 

So someone from the team itself is saying he could miss 1-2 starts to begin the regular season.

 

I know, it was Schneider in the tweet I shared and I followed it up with Metheson's blurb 3 days later in the same post, read it.

[Laika]

There is absolutely no reason not to have a Serven, Clement, Votto, Biggio bench. Just trade Espinal or DFA him.

 

I will cry actual tears if they keep Espinal and dump Clement.

[Spanky99]

There is absolutely no reason not to have a Serven, Clement, Votto, Biggio bench. Just trade Espinal or DFA him.

 

Why designate him, he has an option, you have to pay him anyway?

[Terminator]

Why designate him, he has an option, you have to pay him anyway?

 

Would need to cut someone from the 40-man to add Clement but perhaps they could DFA Zulu or something instead of Espinal.

[BTS]

Why designate him, he has an option, you have to pay him anyway?

 

Votto and Serven need to be added to the 40-man

[BTS]

Would need to cut someone from the 40-man to add Clement but perhaps they could DFA Zulu or something.

 

Clement is on the 40

[Spanky99]

Gausman threw 23 pitches on Friday, apparently.

Berrios threw about 80 pitches on Sunday in his 4th ST appearance.

 

Gausman could do something like this:

 

40 P on Mar 20th

60 P on Mar 25th (last day of spring training)

 

That would set him up for 80 P on his fourth turn, which would be on Saturday or Sunday during the first series of the season in Tampa Bay. White could follow him for 40+ pitches.

And then perhaps full go for the Yankee game April 5th.

 

So he could actually not miss a start. But his first regular season start will likely be cut short. And possibly his second; they might not let him throw 100+ pitches.

 

This of course depends on him feeling 100% and his stuff being fine.

 

He'll likely start the Sunday in Tampa or Monday in Houston. Berrios, Bassitt and Kooch go Thurs/Fri/Sat.

[Spanky99]

Votto and Serven need to be added to the 40-man

 

Votto ain't making the team, and yes someone can be designated for Serven. You think it'd be Espy, I don't?

[Spanky99]

Would need to cut someone from the 40-man to add Clement but perhaps they could DFA Zulu or something instead of Espinal.

 

See above...

[BTS]

Votto ain't making the team, and yes someone can be designated for Serven. You think it'd be Espy, I don't?

 

Why not? If he’s not making the team, best case someone claims him, worst case he goes unclaimed and waits in AAA as depth.

 

I don’t think it will be him, but it should be.

[Spanky99]

Why not? If he’s not making the team, best case someone claims him, worst case he goes unclaimed and waits in AAA as depth.

 

He's being assigned and already agreed to it, he said he isn't ready yet, and until then he'll let the team know, have you not been paying attention, sir?

[BTS]

He's being assigned and already agreed to it, he said he isn't ready yet, and until then he'll let the team know, have you not been paying attention, sir?

 

I meant why not DFA Espinal if they can’t trade him. You’d just carry him and Clement on the bench?

[Laika]

I meant why not DFA Espinal if they can’t trade him. You’d just carry him and Clement on the bench?

 

Just option him? He's still important SS depth even if he costs too much and is worth nothing at the moment. One injury and they would need him up.

[Spanky99]

I meant why not DFA Espinal if they can’t trade him. You’d just carry him and Clement on the bench?

 

I said it initially, dude, he has an option.

[ilovejohnschneider]

Votto ain't making the team, and yes someone can be designated for Serven. You think it'd be Espy, I don't?

 

who do u think spanko, if not espi ??

[BTS]

I said it initially, dude, he has an option.

 

But that doesn’t really make sense though. If you’re optioning Espinal, you’re doing it because nobody wanted to trade for him. You don’t actually want to pay him 2.75M to play in AAA. So you DFA him. That serves an immediate purpose (clearing a spot for Serven). And there are two possible outcomes:

 

1) he gets claimed - great, his salary is gone

2) he doesn’t get claimed and reports to AAA and gets re-added to the 40-man again if the team needs him

 

I can’t think of a single reason why the team would just option him

[Laika]

But that doesn’t really make sense though. If you’re optioning Espinal, you’re doing it because nobody wanted to trade for him. You don’t actually want to pay him 2.75M to play in AAA. So you DFA him. That serves an immediate purpose (clearing a spot for Serven). And there are two possible outcomes:

 

1) he gets claimed - great, his salary is gone

2) he doesn’t get claimed and reports to AAA and gets re-added to the 40-man again if the team needs him

 

I can’t think of a single reason why the team would just option him

 

Right, this makes sense.

 

I guess the only reason to not DFA him is "to be nice" or something

 

and deanmike is going to pop in soon and use the term "pseudo-vet treatment"

[deanmike]

But that doesn’t really make sense though. If you’re optioning Espinal, you’re doing it because nobody wanted to trade for him. You don’t actually want to pay him 2.75M to play in AAA. So you DFA him. That serves an immediate purpose (clearing a spot for Serven). And there are two possible outcomes:

 

1) he gets claimed - great, his salary is gone

2) he doesn’t get claimed and reports to AAA and gets re-added to the 40-man again if the team needs him

 

I can’t think of a single reason why the team would just option him

 

I agree with this. He might just be the clearest DFA candidate on the 40-man at this point. It's not Wes Parsons anymore, and I doubt a 45 FV prospect like Zulu gets DFA like Sherm thinks.

 

Something else I've wondered is, maybe Manoah gets phantom 60-day IL like Adam Cimber last year? It could be in the best interest of both the team and Manoah at this point. Team frees a 40-man spot and Manoah can collect major league pay on 60-day IL.

 

I have no evidence for what I'm about to add here, but I think it's hilarious how Manoah started crying injury again right after he continued to look like 2023 Manoah in his spring appearance. He knows he's cooked, but still wants major league pay like last season when he wouldn't report to Buffalo.

[glory]

But that doesn’t really make sense though. If you’re optioning Espinal, you’re doing it because nobody wanted to trade for him. You don’t actually want to pay him 2.75M to play in AAA. So you DFA him. That serves an immediate purpose (clearing a spot for Serven). And there are two possible outcomes:

 

1) he gets claimed - great, his salary is gone

2) he doesn’t get claimed and reports to AAA and gets re-added to the 40-man again if the team needs him

 

I can’t think of a single reason why the team would just option him

 

Yeah a DFA would make the most sense. Getting out that ~$3m investment, though unlikely given the market, would be significant as it would just add more potential dollars for the trade deadline, and at this point if they needed a SS from AAA they might prefer going with Jimenez since he's out of options after this season and they kinda need to make a decision on him.

 

With Clement's emergence, Espinal isn't really needed anymore.

[Terminator]

I agree with this. He might just be the clearest DFA candidate on the 40-man at this point. It's not Wes Parsons anymore, and I doubt a 45 FV prospect like Zulu gets DFA like Sherm thinks.

 

Wow, more attacks

 

I've said I doubt Zulu gets DFA'd plenty of times but I do think it's time to start thinking about it. He's 26 years old and still can't hit the broad side of a barn. Also, if you look at the 40-man it's not an easy choice right now.

 

The board consensus seems to be to DFA a 2022 All-Star infielder with a Steamer600 of 1.9 (higher than all our other infielders outside of Bo and Schneider). I'm not saying that's wrong but it makes about as much sense as DFA'ing a 26 year old relief prospect with 30 command.

[deanmike]

Wow, more attacks

 

I've said I doubt Zulu gets DFA'd plenty of times but I do think it's time to start thinking about it. He's 26 years old and still can't hit the broad side of a barn. Also, if you look at the 40-man it's not an easy choice right now.

 

The board consensus seems to be to DFA a 2022 All-Star infielder with a Steamer600 of 1.9 (higher than all our other infielders outside of Bo and Schneider). I'm not saying that's wrong but it makes about as much sense as DFA'ing a 26 year old relief prospect with 30 command.

 

"Perhaps they could DFA Zulu or something instead of Espinal" doesn't sound like "I doubt Zulu gets DFA'd" to me.

 

I do agree with the bolded though, I just think Espinal has even less use on the 40-man than Zulu.

 

Lmao at bringing up 2022 all star. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on Espishit. I am almost as confident he will underperform his projections this year as I am about Vlad doing the same.

[Laika]

Brendon Little is also on the 40

[deanmike]

Brendon Little is also on the 40

 

Schneider said he views Pearson, Pop and Little as non-bulk next men up in the pen. Those 3 don't sound like DFA candidates based on that.

[Brownie19]

Brendon Little is also on the 40

 

who?