General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Eat My Shatkins]

DH - JD Martinez / Hoskins / Belt (sign 1 of these)

1B - Vlad

2B - Biggio / Schneider

3B - Chapman

SS - Bo

LF - Bellinger

CF - Varsho

LF - Springer

C - Kirk / Jansen

 

Espinal, Lukes also on the bench

[Frenchsoup]

I want more upgrades then that....this team has some talent and a SHITLOAD of money....Either cash it in for Trump Golden Coins or spend the f*** out of it

[Eat My Shatkins]

I want more upgrades then that....this team has some talent and a SHITLOAD of money....Either cash it in for Trump Golden Coins or spend the f*** out of it

 

lol

 

Bellinger and Chapman are the top two position player FA's left on the board and will cost more that $350 million probably. Plus adding a DH. You'll be lucky to get that, never mind more.

[Frenchsoup]

I ask the Question..... Who the heck have we added? I want to see a starting move for the Jays....there so indescisive right now... call up an agent for a guy you like and start offering s*** to good guys... set the market...cashman did

[Frenchsoup]

lol

 

Bellinger and Chapman are the top two position player FA's left on the board and will cost more that $350 million probably. Plus adding a DH. You'll be lucky to get that, never mind more.

 

I wouldn't touch Bellinger...the most i'd give him is like 3/75

[Frenchsoup]

Let me run the Jays I;d listen to fans, ppl on this forum, players and everybody who loves baseball. It's about having fun playing the game...watching the game....and enjoying moments togther. Tdot could be Heaven on Earth.

[Marew]

I wouldn't touch Bellinger...the most i'd give him is like 3/75

 

You’d rather have ohtani than 3 bellingers ?

[Olerud363]

The Korean league has nowhere the pitching of the Japanese league.... Research the scouting and write ups the guy the Reds signed and Kim prior to him going to SD.. Kim is a good hitter, but nowhere near what people were foaming over prior to his signing.. The track record is not there yet for him to be a key piece we are going to rely on for offense.

 

Lee is a better hitter in Korea then Kim. If he translates the same as Kim he ends up being about a .290 .340 .400 hitter..

[Olerud363]

Let me run the Jays I;d listen to fans, ppl on this forum, players and everybody who loves baseball. It's about having fun playing the game...watching the game....and enjoying moments togther. Tdot could be Heaven on Earth.

 

Which people on the forum would you listen to?

[Frenchsoup]

You’d rather have ohtani than 3 bellingers ?

 

I'd rather have a Willie Calhoun, Jesse Winker, and Jung hoo Lee

[Ryu In My House]

I was having a good discussion about the Blue Jays with some friends who are super fans over the weekend. It would suck, but it's almost like the way out of the malaise the team finds itself in is to trade the core, including Vladdy and Bo. It's not working, and is just going to get worse until they leave. We can stock the f*** out of the farm and get some high ceiling, controllable talent in return. Or, we can put lipstick on a pig, and go over the $190M payroll threshold with a club that will be worse than 2023. The latter is likely where we are headed, because the former would cost Atkins his job, and maybe Shapiro, too.

[Key22]

Cody Bellinger’s fiancée (model Chase Carter) posts Toronto photo after Blue Jays miss on Shohei Ohtani

 

Plan B...ellinger?

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/11/sports/cody-bellingers-fiancee-posts-from-toronto-in-free-agency-twist/

[Stangstag]

Cody Bellinger’s fiancée (model Chase Carter) posts Toronto photo after Blue Jays miss on Shohei Ohtani

 

Plan B...ellinger?

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/11/sports/cody-bellingers-fiancee-posts-from-toronto-in-free-agency-twist/

 

f***, now SF is gonna offer him 300 million

[Terminator]

I was having a good discussion about the Blue Jays with some friends who are super fans over the weekend. It would suck, but it's almost like the way out of the malaise the team finds itself in is to trade the core, including Vladdy and Bo. It's not working, and is just going to get worse until they leave. We can stock the f*** out of the farm and get some high ceiling, controllable talent in return. Or, we can put lipstick on a pig, and go over the $190M payroll threshold with a club that will be worse than 2023. The latter is likely where we are headed, because the former would cost Atkins his job, and maybe Shapiro, too.

 

This is silly talk. The team has made zero moves this offseason and projects for 86 wins. Everyone is giving the Yankees high marks for their offseason and they are projected for 89.

[Key22]

This is silly talk. The team has made zero moves this offseason and projects for 86 wins. Everyone is giving the Yankees high marks for their offseason and they are projected for 89.

 

I know folks are frustrated because the team went from no chance to some chance to favourites in the Ohtani sweepstakes (according to the press anyway).

 

But when you have good pitching, you always have a chance and this team has a very strong 4 rotation and a very good bullpen. The Jays are in it even with a frustrating offense and even without Ohtani.

 

The guy is a great player but you can't really blame him for taking the money and going to a team that has made the playoffs 11 straight years who have shown deep pockets and surround him with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman. They trump Toronto at every turn and we should have all realized our chances were slim. The media screwed us over.

 

Bo is an excellent player to build around. He's around a 5 WAR player so he's no slouch. There are few free-agent bats that help - I hope they're all in on signing another top-of-the-rotation pitcher because the reality is it's not just 2024 we need to look at. Yes we need bats but I don't want to overpay for mediocre bats when I can get an elite ace - worry about the offense next off season when there are better bats available. Sometimes you can't do everything in one offseason.

 

Yamamoto should now be the number one priority - Then sign a JD Martinez for one year or even Teoscar to give us a big bat - sign some guys who are competent hitters and you never know - great pitching - score enough runs - and you put a decent product out on the field with a good chance to make the playoffs - then next offseason go after bigger bats.

 

Tidemann may be ready to replace Kikuchi in 2025.

[Spanky99]

Solar does have some power...

 

I see what you did there, lol.

[G-Snarls]

This is silly talk. The team has made zero moves this offseason and projects for 86 wins. Everyone is giving the Yankees high marks for their offseason and they are projected for 89.

 

Yeah

 

For all the negativity (and I get that) the team has:

 

An excellent starting rotation even if Manoah still sucks, and a ridiculously good one if he or Tiedeman steps up

 

The best bullpen this team has had in eons

 

A decent offense that should improve simply by some regression from Kirk/Varsho/Vladdy/Springer and with room for upgrades at 3B/COF

 

They're not giving up on this core...

[Frenchsoup]

Think we could move Romano? what does he make like 7.5million? Another team would take the chance with that closing experience.

[Terminator]

Think we could move Romano? what does he make like 7.5million? Another team would take the chance with that closing experience.

 

He’d be a good sell high I think.

[G-Snarls]

Think we could move Romano? what does he make like 7.5million? Another team would take the chance with that closing experience.

 

I'd shop him and would consider if you could get a good controllable position player for him for 3B or COF.

 

Green and Mayza could close games

[Frenchsoup]

Mayza is pretty valuable for this team and I love Green

[Spanky99]

You guys want to trade our closer who's estimated at 6M in Arb in a win now season, GTFO!

[Eat My Shatkins]

You guys want to trade our closer who's estimated at 6M in Arb in a win now season, GTFO!

 

No kidding, and how much would you really get for him anyways?

 

The only way I'd trade Romano right now is if I was able to sign Hader first.

[Terminator]

You guys are cowards. The great Pat Gillick once traded Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez while contending and it WORKED. And you guys don’t even have the balls to trade a reliever? Wow!

[Spanky99]

You guys are cowards. The great Pat Gillick once traded Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez while contending and it WORKED. And you guys don’t even have the balls to trade a reliever? Wow!

 

For what? Lets hear it, lol

[Key22]

Yeah everyone is tradeable - it's just a matter of what you get in return. If you trade Romano and a Bassitt and get some sort of controllable big bat at 3B or LF AND you sign a Yamamoto and Hicks you don't lose in the rotation or arguably in pen and you fill a need. But free agents have to want to come here and secondly trade a big Rotation piece 200ip and a closer - the teams who want that are playoff teams so it's unlikely they are giving up a key part of their line-up.

 

Moreover, those teams that are in it tend to have money so they can sign a FA pitcher or late-inning arm.

 

The Fernandez/McGriff for Carter/Alomar actually favoured San Diego in terms of WAR and both players going to San Diego were more proven over the relative newbie Alomar and the one-dimensional hitting Carter. Although winning the World Series twice with Carter and Alomar being key contributors makes you quite okay with the trade.

 

Plus that trade was easier because the Jays had Olerud at first base and Manual Lee at Short so at least defensively they were okay with him and in 1993 we got Fernandez back - 9 RBI in 6 games in the WS and a nice .423 OBP.

 

I just don't see how you will get impact position players for 1 year of a closer like Romano.

 

Interestingly, if the Jays were to mirror the 1992 Jays - they would arguably need to trade Bo Bichette (SS) and Vladdy (1B) - that would be today's Fernandez (SS) and McGriff (1B).

 

If you are not planning to extend these two players (or you know Bo doesn't want to be a Jay), then you will get far more for them in the trade now with 2 seasons left and in a very weak free-agent hitters market. But the other team is going to have to give up two kinds of elite talents. Maybe there is a team out there as a trade partner but I don't see it. The Cubs have supposedly looked into Bo. Some teams might like him at third or second but I think Bo is a guy we should probably try to lock-up. The guy is a hitting machine.

[jaysblue]

For what? Lets hear it, lol

 

I'm still waiting for those lists Spanky

[Spanky99]

I'm still waiting for those lists Spanky

 

Are you a child? You're acting like one.

[Key22]

Yamamoto is a big fan of the limelight and being on a winner - he loves expensive watches and Rolls Royce - so he wants to be in the limelight - that is Only LA and New York.

 

So I think the Jays are out. Phew - no need to get excited that we are in on him.

 

Adam Jones discusses former teammate Yoshinobu Yamamoto

 

[Spanky99]

Yamamoto is a big fan of the limelight and being on a winner - he loves expensive watches and Rolls Royce - so he wants to be in the limelight - that is Only LA and New York.

 

So I think the Jays are out. Phew - no need to get excited that we are in on him.

 

Adam Jones discusses former teammate Yoshinobu Yamamoto

 

 

I've already said he's the next Tanaka. And saying the Jays are out is simply wrong.