Former Blue Jays Thread

[Spanky99]

 

Two former Jays in one set of transactions. Looked at Castillo's numbers to see if he would be a possible pickup but he's been dogs s*** since he left.

 

That trade was a steal by Ross.

[Pendleton]

Stripling dealt from the Giants to the A's. Should see a wide open opportunity to start in Oakland.

[L54]

Stripling dealt from the Giants to the A's. Should see a wide open opportunity to start in Oakland.

 

s*** that sucks. Sign in SF and get dealt to Oakland

[Pendleton]

s*** that sucks. Sign in SF and get dealt to Oakland

 

Yeah but might actually be good for his career, at least in terms of getting plenty of opportunity to rebuild value as a starter.

[connorp]

s*** that sucks. Sign in SF and get dealt to Oakland

 

Plus side prob don’t have to move

[wamco]

No one would move from SF to Oak unless absolutely necessary. OAK has Pitt bulls randomly walking the streets

[jaysblue]

The A's have added both Stripling and Alex Wood from the Giants, so probably a good spot for both arms to build back their value with a guaranteed rotation spot. As well if either have a strong first half, definitely trade bait at the deadline.

[jaysblue]

Is this season the last year the A's are playing in the Coliseum? If so, want to plan a trip to the Bay Area this spring/summer haha.

[Jimcanuck]

Is this season the last year the A's are playing in the Coliseum? If so, want to plan a trip to the Bay Area this spring/summer haha.

 

Get tix for the last game and take souvenirs home

[jaysblue]

Get tix for the last game and take souvenirs home

 

Haha its on a Thursday afternoon in September ugh couldn't fly down for a weekday game unfortunately.

[Terminator]

 

I retired the Sheriff a few months ago but imagine the amount of gloating he'd be doing if he were still around.

 

I do feel for Frasso though, poor guy was on the verge of the big leagues.

 

But this is why he was never worth very much. Mid 20s pitchers mowing down minor leaguers for 40 innings a year doesn't really mean much of anything. I tried explaining this to his fanboys many many times and they just couldn't wrap their heads around it.

[Laika]

Weird that his injury was not known

Dude is getting put on top 100 lists meanwhile he had major career threatening surgery five months ago

[Stangstag]

 

I retired the Sheriff a few months ago but imagine the amount of gloating he'd be doing if he were still around.

 

I do feel for Frasso though, poor guy was on the verge of the big leagues.

 

But this is why he was never worth very much. Mid 20s pitchers mowing down minor leaguers for 40 innings a year doesn't really mean much of anything. I tried explaining this to his fanboys many many times and they just couldn't wrap their heads around it.

 

Nick Frasso is AT THE VERY LEAST an ELITE back-end bullpen arm

 

Hurrdurr

[Stangstag]

Weird that his injury was not known

Dude is getting put on top 100 lists meanwhile he had major career threatening surgery five months ago

 

It’s really hard to trust the prospect lists these days outside of the top 20ish guys. Its all such a crapshoot.

[Eat My Shatkins]

It’s really hard to trust the prospect lists these days outside of the top 20ish guys. Its all such a crapshoot.

 

That's why these prospect rankings are hard to take seriously.

 

A few years ago the Jays system was ranked top 5 across the board because they had like 7 guys in the top 100.

 

Kirk is the only one of those guys who has amounted to sweet f*** all and even he seems to be slipping because he's unable to control his gluttony.

 

Groshans, SWR, Martin, Pearson, Kirk, Moreno, Orelivis.....I believe those were the guys in the top 100 in 2021?

[Spanky99]

It’s really hard to trust the prospect lists these days outside of the top 20ish guys. Its all such a crapshoot.

 

It's a level, guys @ or over 60's elite top 15 maybe , then 55's - top 50, 50's top - 100, 50's and 45+ - top 200, etc...

[Spanky99]

That's why these prospect rankings are hard to take seriously.

 

A few years ago the Jays system was ranked top 5 across the board because they had like 7 guys in the top 100.

 

Kirk is the only one of those guys who has amounted to sweet f*** all and even he seems to be slipping because he's unable to control his gluttony.

 

Groshans, SWR, Martin, Pearson, Kirk, Moreno, Orelivis.....I believe those were the guys in the top 100 in 2021?

 

None of those guys are busts yet, trending with a few.

[Spanky99]

Nick Frasso is AT THE VERY LEAST an ELITE back-end bullpen arm

 

Hurrdurr

 

He was though, at the BP part.

[Jonn]

 

I retired the Sheriff a few months ago but imagine the amount of gloating he'd be doing if he were still around.

 

I do feel for Frasso though, poor guy was on the verge of the big leagues.

 

But this is why he was never worth very much. Mid 20s pitchers mowing down minor leaguers for 40 innings a year doesn't really mean much of anything. I tried explaining this to his fanboys many many times and they just couldn't wrap their heads around it.

 

It's unfournante for Frasso who has such a beautiful gift can't do what he loves. Mitch White doesn't even have a fraction of the talent he does.

[Spanky99]

It's unfournante for Frasso who has such a beautiful gift can't do what he loves. Mitch White doesn't even have a fraction of the talent he does.

 

False.

[max silver]

False.

 

I'd like to see some stuff comparison results between what White was featuring to end the season in AAA and what Frasso was featuring at his best. I don't think there is likely to be a very big gap between the two.

[Spanky99]

I'd like to see some stuff comparison results between what White was featuring to end the season in AAA and what Frasso was featuring at his best. I don't think there is likely to be a very big gap between the two.

 

Well, he was throwing harder, but that makes sense hearing the injury, but White is far more established with success in the MLB, I never thought with his SP repertoire that it was a bad trade.

[Jonn]

Well, he was throwing harder, but that makes sense hearing the injury, but White is far more established with success in the MLB, I never thought with his SP repertoire that it was a bad trade.

 

Mitch White was DFA'd and nobody even claimed him lol.

 

He had decent success in the Dodgers bullpen as a long man in 2021 that spanned 46 innings.

 

And some decent success as a starter/swingman to begin 2022 that spanned 56 innings.

 

Since that point he has been utterly terrible. Like having him on the mound was actively nuking your chance of winning.

[Spanky99]

Mitch White was DFA'd and nobody even claimed him lol.

 

He had decent success in the Dodgers bullpen as a long man in 2021 that spanned 46 innings.

 

And some decent success as a starter/swingman to begin 2022 that spanned 56 innings.

 

Since that point he has been utterly terrible. Like having him on the mound was actively nuking your chance of winning.

 

At the time of the trade, it made sense, Frasso has offered nothing but pillaging younger spects at an older age @ A/A+ and at AAA and he hit a wall. And with a labrum injury, he's now a reliever if he ever gets back. White was an intermittent SP with LA, a young SP with years of control and MLB success. You cry like a bitch for months at a time, for nothing. It'll end up a wash if White hasn't found the magic. Who gives a f***, lol...

[max silver]

Mitch White was DFA'd and nobody even claimed him lol.

 

He had decent success in the Dodgers bullpen as a long man in 2021 that spanned 46 innings.

 

And some decent success as a starter/swingman to begin 2022 that spanned 56 innings.

 

Since that point he has been utterly terrible. Like having him on the mound was actively nuking your chance of winning.

 

White pitched to a 3.76 FIP as a Blue Jay in 2022 after being acquired in trade. There's no way in hell he deserved the .368 BABIP he was victimized by as he limited hard hits to a 35% rate with an 87.8 MPH average exit velocity and ran a 46% ground ball rate and 19.6% line drive rate. Too many people refuse to look beyond the BABIP fueled ERA when evaluating his relative performance that season. White was injured in the spring last year and it effectively nuked his 2023 season.

 

Time will tell what he is moving forward but at least there's hope he can be an effective swingman or multi inning reliever in seasons to come. He was sitting mid to upper 90's to end the season in AAA and was striking out nearly 12 batters per 9 innings over his last month and a half of starts so it's not as though the guy is devoid of talent.

[The Cats Ass]

Who were all the posters who was saying Atkins should be fired for trading Frasso? And that it was the worst trade in the history of trades

[Spanky99]

Who were all the posters who was saying Atkins should be fired for trading Frasso? And that it was the worst trade in the history of trades

 

Search the thread. Jonn leads the brigade, I'm sure of it.

[Stangstag]

Mitch White was DFA'd and nobody even claimed him lol.

 

He had decent success in the Dodgers bullpen as a long man in 2021 that spanned 46 innings.

 

And some decent success as a starter/swingman to begin 2022 that spanned 56 innings.

 

Since that point he has been utterly terrible. Like having him on the mound was actively nuking your chance of winning.

 

Kevin Gausman was DFAd by the Braves in in 2019 and also non-tendered by the Reds. Dumbass Jays gave him 100+ million smh

[Spanky99]

Kevin Gausman was DFAd by the Braves in in 2019 and also non-tendered by the Reds. Dumbass Jays gave him 100+ million smh

 

lol

[max silver]

Search the thread. Jonn leads the brigade, I'm sure of it.

 

He pretty much leads the brigade in all of the overly reactionary whining sessions around here with the barrage of surface level evaluations.