General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Grant77]

If Jackson accepts the assignment, is he still eligible to pitch in the playoffs?

[Stangstag]

If Jackson accepts the assignment, is he still eligible to pitch in the playoffs?

 

I think I heard yes

[John_Havok]

If Jackson accepts the assignment, is he still eligible to pitch in the playoffs?

 

He could, but only if there’s an injury and the Jays would have to petition MLB to get it allowed since he is not on the 40 man roster

[Omar]

Alek Manoah watching the celebration on Sportsnet...

 

[jaysblue]

Alek Manoah watching the celebration on Sportsnet...

 

 

This gif is more accurate:

 

[jaysblue]

Jays/Twins on at 4:38PM Tuesday

[Omar]

This gif is more accurate:

 

 

Nah, he'll be back next season, fitter and trimmer than ever.

 

He may still suck though, so there is that.

[Jays24]

Jays/Twins on at 4:38PM Tuesday

 

Yup... playing 430 on all 3 days.

[max silver]

This gif is more accurate:

 

 

If he took his demotion to AAA like a man he likely would have been the first one in line for a call-up to start todays game and could have celebrated with the club.

[Stangstag]

Yup... playing 430 on all 3 days.

 

The time for Thursday will likely be pushed back if one of the later series finishes in 2 games.

[WryNGinger]

I, along with all of you I am sure, am looking forward to a board and fan base in unison, all cheering for the amazing things our team might show us starting Tue. All the bickering regarding roster spots and true worth can be lain aside now that the "fresh-start" season is here and we made the f***ing playoffs!!!

 

We now have the opportunity to snuff the torches and store them away. Face the pitchforks face down in the shed. Let fire under the tar for feathering cool...

 

And just watch 'troll-less", no-baiting, at least marginally less s*** take baseball. For at least 2 games.

 

 

Prays be!!!

[WryNGinger]

If he took his demotion to AAA like a man he likely would have been the first one in line for a call-up to start todays game and could have celebrated with the club.

 

Not wrong. Manoah burned a lot of team and fan empathy with his antics.

 

Hope he gets a mental coach or whatever and starts looking in the mirror for solutions to his problems.

 

I would think a lot of his teammates are disappointed he isn't with them but know that it's for the best for.his long-term goals.

[Spanky99]

That's all secondary in importance if he could help us now. Secondary by a mile.

If he came up, and he was outstanding, and we had him f***ing people up in the postseason there would be nobody talking about him not getting innings in the minor leagues in September. Nobody. Make up for that later. Nothing is more important than winning. Would also be quite the experience for him, better than anything he'll see in the minors or the AFL. And if it didn't work, then it didn't work, you send him to the fall league and whatever.

 

I maintain the downside was very small compared to what could have been the upside. They should have tried it.

 

lol... pssstt... he was injured most of the season, has 40 IP, is 20 years old being groomed as a starter, it was and is never on the table.

 

These posts give me a good chuckle, though.

[Spanky99]

Price got into 5 games and pitched 14 innings. However, one of those games was a start. Lets say he pitched 5 innings in the start. That is 9 ip of relief.

 

We couldn’t get 9 ip in doses of 1 or 2 ip from Tideman without f***ing him up long term?

 

The IL actually saved his arm this year a little and be needs some more IP.

 

Not saying we should. I am just saying we could and should if we really needed to for some reason, injuries etc.

 

[Masterbather]

lol... pssstt... he was injured most of the season, has 40 IP, is 20 years old being groomed as a starter, it was and is never on the table.

 

These posts give me a good chuckle, though.

 

You didn't make a single meaningful point.

 

He has a fresh arm because he didn't pitch much, that's a bonus.

 

Who cares if he's 20 years old? He wouldn't be the first.

 

No one's stopping him from being a future starter.

 

It should have been on the table.

 

No reason not to take a look at him. None.

[mphenhef]

You didn't make a single meaningful point.

 

He has a fresh arm because he didn't pitch much, that's a bonus.

 

Who cares if he's 20 years old? He wouldn't be the first.

 

No one's stopping him from being a future starter.

 

It should have been on the table.

 

No reason not to take a look at him. None.

 

There is one very good reason (at least from the front office perspective). Asset management and not starting his clock before they need to. But yeah, ideally they will want him pitching more inning to ensure his arm is still building up year over year.

[Tim Cooke]

 

They know their team is s*** and 100% of their success is based on luck. They didn't draft well, they drafted lucky.

 

This is ill-informed. We can agree on luck being a factor in the on field play this year (though every good thing in life has luck) but luck in the draft?

 

They took Henderson 42nd in 2019. Colton Cowser hit a 455 foot grand slam to win the AAA National Championship on Saturday. Joey Ortiz (4th round 2019) would have been a starting shortstop on 15 teams this season. Jackson Holliday is 19 and in AAA. Samuel Basallo is 19 and in AA as an international catcher who could still be moved from behind the plate but has the offensive profile to be a powerful 1B. Kyle Bradish, acquired in a trade, was a 5th round pick in 2019. They are hitting on high picks and post-100 level guys.

 

I dislike them because they are our rivals but a LOT can be learned from what they are doing on the player development level.

[Laika]

You didn't make a single meaningful point.

 

He has a fresh arm because he didn't pitch much, that's a bonus.

 

Who cares if he's 20 years old? He wouldn't be the first.

 

No one's stopping him from being a future starter.

 

It should have been on the table.

 

No reason not to take a look at him. None.

 

I agree that he was an option and I am sure the front office thought about it long and hard.

 

The argument to not use him is twofold:

 

1. His development is prioritized by letting him continue to start in the AFL. He will get more innings this way. He can start as part of a regular routine and work on things. He really did have a nearly lost season with multiple nagging injuries...

2. The MLB bullpen is deep so the need for him is not GLARING.

 

Of course with his MiLB K rate and FIP you can certainly argue that he would be a massive upgrade on someone in the pen. There is merit to that. You can also argue that he would get a unique kind of experience/development by being in the MLB bullpen. But on the performance side, with his fringe command right now there is a chance he is actually not a shutdown MLB reliever at this moment in time.

[Governator]

So sonny gray has a very easy to spot pattern, 3 good years, 1 bad year, 3 good years 1 bad year, then it went to 2 good years 1 bad year. It's been another 2 years and the regular season is over. When he was in his 20s he could hold it together 3 years at a time, now hes older and it's gone down to just 2 years. I am feeling good about this matchup.

 

The orioles fans on reddit are also very relieved to not face us in the division series

 

First 3 quotes I found on the top of their sub

 

"Plus Toronto seems to be better now than when we played them"

"Strangely, I'm sort of relieved that the Blue Jays are on the other side of the bracket. We went 10-3 against them. You would think that those numbers would even out a little bit the more times we play them."

"Totally agree. I’m glad to avoid Toronto in the ALDS. I feel like they are just due for some lucky bounces against us."

 

Based on sample size I imagine thats what all of their posts are like these days, just a lot of fear and crying.

 

They know their team is s*** and 100% of their success is based on luck. They didn't draft well, they drafted lucky.

 

 

I mean.. injuries aside, Sonny Gray has been about as consistent as he could be the past 5 years, what are you talking about?

 

Also, you can never call a team that lead the league after 162 games 100% luck or even s*** for that matter, especially coming from the AL East... that's absurd.

[mphenhef]

This team seems kind of like the giants teams of 2010s to 2014. Nobody hitting 30 hr, a couple pretty good hitters and a bunch of decent guys. Good starting pitching. Will need that pitching to hopefully shut down the braves or Phillies in the national league round.

 

Sounds a lot like the twins too.

[John_Havok]

I, along with all of you I am sure, am looking forward to a board and fan base in unison, all cheering for the amazing things our team might show us starting Tue. All the bickering regarding roster spots and true worth can be lain aside now that the "fresh-start" season is here and we made the f***ing playoffs!!!

 

We now have the opportunity to snuff the torches and store them away. Face the pitchforks face down in the shed. Let fire under the tar for feathering cool...

 

And just watch 'troll-less", no-baiting, at least marginally less s*** take baseball. For at least 2 games.

 

 

Prays be!!!

 

Unless the Jays win every game, the playoff daily GDTs are going to be filled with most bi-polar, pessimistic yet jolly *******s this side of the nuthouse.

[mphenhef]

I believe it is expected that Correa will be active. Has anyone heard anything about Buxton or Lewis? It's hard to imagine they wouldn't have wanted them to get some reps before starting the playoffs if they are ready to go.

[Jimcanuck]

I believe it is expected that Correa will be active. Has anyone heard anything about Buxton or Lewis? It's hard to imagine they wouldn't have wanted them to get some reps before starting the playoffs if they are ready to go.

 

I hope Buxton is back. Every time he comes back from injury, the first bunch of games are a K-fest.

[Grant77]

I believe it is expected that Correa will be active. Has anyone heard anything about Buxton or Lewis? It's hard to imagine they wouldn't have wanted them to get some reps before starting the playoffs if they are ready to go.

 

They are supposed to play a simulated game today and evaluate it from there. Correa and Polanco are both injured, but expected to be active. Royce Lewis and Byron Buxton it seems less clear.

 

All of these guys outside of Polanco haven't played in some time, so it's an aggressive strategy.

[connorp]

You guys know who to talk to on this matter… Royce Lewis will definitely be ok to hit, so bad news to the Jays. It’s a matter of it he can play in the field

[connorp]

Lewis went deep in his first simulated game and usually rakes anytime he comes off the DL

[max silver]

Lewis went deep in his first simulated game and usually rakes anytime he comes off the DL

 

So a one game sample in a fake simulated game means we should be ultra concerned about Lewis, yet you get your panties in a knot when I use samples of several months in my posts. Totally checks out.

[TheHurl]

We are an 89 win team that has privided disappointing results, what is a successful playoffs for you? I have never been a it is win the whole thing or tear it up type. My expectations are set at making the world series, but would get over it if they lose to Houston or in the CS. Losing in the Wild Card is a failure but not a complete disaster.

 

Where does everyone else stand with this...partially preparing myself as a mod for the uproar level

[Laika]

We are an 89 win team that has privided disappointing results, what is a successful playoffs for you? I have never been a it is win the whole thing or tear it up type. My expectations are set at making the world series, but would get over it if they lose to Houston or in the CS. Losing in the Wild Card is a failure but not a complete disaster.

 

Where does everyone else stand with this...partially preparing myself as a mod for the uproar level

 

WC round loss = total failure

competitive ALDS loss = disappointing

uncompetitive ALDS loss = big flop

ALCS loss = golf claps

WS loss = crying golf claps, proud of the effort boys

WS win = I'll drive to Spanky's house and hug him

[Masterbather]

I agree that he was an option and I am sure the front office thought about it long and hard.

 

The argument to not use him is twofold:

 

1. His development is prioritized by letting him continue to start in the AFL. He will get more innings this way. He can start as part of a regular routine and work on things. He really did have a nearly lost season with multiple nagging injuries...

2. The MLB bullpen is deep so the need for him is not GLARING.

 

Of course with his MiLB K rate and FIP you can certainly argue that he would be a massive upgrade on someone in the pen. There is merit to that. You can also argue that he would get a unique kind of experience/development by being in the MLB bullpen. But on the performance side, with his fringe command right now there is a chance he is actually not a shutdown MLB reliever at this moment in time.

 

To the first point, I understand the developmental argument, the point is it's secondary if he could help us win a championship now, any development can be put on hold if it helps you win a championship. Slightly delaying his development as a starter is not the end of the world. There's also the experience argument that you already made, to pitch in the postseason against the best teams and hitters in the world is incredible. Also it allows our major league coaches to see him first hand.

 

To the bullpen depth argument, you already made this one as well, there is no such thing, and there never will be such a thing, as too much great pitching. Especially with the way bullpens get used in the postseason. You run through five or six guys a game. You need as much elite talent as you can get and unless you have a bullpen full of closers there's always room for improvement. Every little bit counts. Especially for a team that is going to rely heavily on pitching.

 

You're right that he may not be ready, command wise, but you've got to take a look at an arm like that at this level. Just try it. Maybe Pete Walker spots something in his delivery and helps him. You never know unless you try. Either it works and we have a stud in our bullpen or it doesn't and you carry out the plan you had. Outside of Kikuchi if he's in the pen, we really don't have a power strikeout guy in our bullpen from the left side. Would definitely come in handy.

 

Anyhow, it doesn't matter now, it is what it is I just wish the front office was a little more aggressive, especially for a team that's trying to win.