General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[John_Havok]

I like how Schneider couldn’t play 3B a couple of weeks ago so they felt they needed the Espinal/DeJong left side of the infield but now that they are clinging for any hope they can find, suddenly Schneider is capable at third.

 

This team.

 

Putting someone there when they have little other choice is not the same as thinking he's a capable major league 3b

[hanton]

I'm fine with the move, my other choice would have been Vlady

[glory]

Putting someone there when they have little other choice is not the same as thinking he's a capable major league 3b

 

The same logic to starting Schneider at 3B tonight applied a couple of weeks ago when they were trotting out Espinal at 3B and DeJong at SS while Schneider sat on the bench. They could easily have Espinal at 3B tonight, but it would be a bad decision to do so, much like it was before.

[Jonn]

Low key hope the Nats come in town and sweep.

 

I want this roster to get absolutely nuked in the off-season.

[Stangstag]

I like how Schneider couldn’t play 3B a couple of weeks ago so they felt they needed the Espinal/DeJong left side of the infield but now that they are clinging for any hope they can find, suddenly Schneider is capable at third.

 

This team.

 

Terrible management honestly

[Terminator]

Low key hope the Nats come in town and sweep.

 

I want this roster to get absolutely nuked in the off-season.

 

The dumbest take I've seen this year. Congrats.

[bones10]

Low key hope the Nats come in town and sweep.

 

I want this roster to get absolutely nuked in the off-season.

 

f*** off, get in and you have a shot that’s irrevocably true.

[gruber92]

He's been the one guy along with Biggio (short Dejong stint aside) they've wasted empty AB's on this year. At least Biggio's bat has been ok since the terrible start.

 

Espinal has gotten 205 PAs of being unplayable. Way too many on a team that isn't hitting well enough.

 

The front office was better last year at not throwing away too many AB's on complete wastes.

 

Bradley Zimmer is another example

[Jonn]

The dumbest take I've seen this year. Congrats.

 

It’s not even a take lol. I just don’t like this roster. They are not fun to watch.

[Jonn]

f*** off, get in and you have a shot that’s irrevocably true.

 

I think they could put beat the Twins but get absolutely dumpstered by any of the other teams ahead of them because they don’t hit.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Jonn

[G-Snarls]

It’s not even a take lol. I just don’t like this roster. They are not fun to watch.

 

Dude they're underperforming offensively and it's hard to watch at times but the roster doesn't need to be nuked

 

We all know they're better than this

 

The pitching has kept them in it

 

Chances are Vlad Springer and Kirk are all better than this next year

[G-Snarls]

I think they could put beat the Twins but get absolutely dumpstered by any of the other tesms ahead of them because they don’t hit.

 

I will agree that I don't like our post season chances against the Orioles specifically. They just seem to have our number this year.

 

But we've beaten some really good teams this year too

[bones10]

I think they could put beat the Twins but get absolutely dumpstered by any of the other tesms ahead of them because they don’t hit.

 

Odds are if they get in they’re going to be looking like a team that can beat anyone by that point, the offense doesn’t need to be 2015 Jays, it just needs to be a bit better.

 

Whether that will happen going to depend on some s*** outside of their control like Chapmans and bos injuries, otherwise is a possibility.

[Jonn]

Dude they're underperforming offensively and it's hard to watch at times but the roster doesn't need to be nuked

 

We all know they're better than this

 

The pitching has kept them in it

 

Chances are Vlad Springer and Kirk are all better than this next year

 

I still thoroughly believe if the Covid season never happens this roster gets built up differently. They squeaked into the Covid playoffs and it changed the timeline of everything. Our entire future was banked on Bichette and Vlad and putting veterans around them. So far that has yielded zero playoff victories and possibly missing the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years.

 

Would be excited to see them go young bringing up Martinez, Barger, Howritz to pair with Scheneider. Keep building with Varsho and anyone with 3+ years of control.

 

Trade Gausman, Bichette, and Berrios for absolute hauls. Move on from the rest of the veterans. Work on an exciting young core for the next few years and build a sustainable contender.

 

If Bichette walks for nothing in a couple years this franchise is in a lot of trouble. If this group doesn’t work out you gotta change in the off-season or go full blown nuclear with youth. Either way changes are coming.

[leaffie]

Dude they're underperforming offensively and it's hard to watch at times but the roster doesn't need to be nuked

 

We all know they're better than this

 

The pitching has kept them in it

 

Chances are Vlad Springer and Kirk are all better than this next year

 

And that is exactly what everyone has said all this year. Maybe there are undisclosed injuries, maybe there is not enough protection in the line up, or maybe those players have regressed, but this FO has now had 8 years to get it together. The farm system is in the bottom, the Jays are not even close to what most fans and members of this board had hoped, and when you look ahead I dont see much hope for the future.

 

When the new FO took over, their whole thing was sustainability, constant supply of new young talent, and it all sounds wonderful.

But it hasnt worked.

[Captain_Obvious]

I still thoroughly believe if the Covid season never happens this roster gets built up differently. They squeaked into the Covid playoffs and it changed the timeline of everything. Our entire future was banked on Bichette and Vlad and putting veterans around them. So far that has yielded zero playoff victories and possibly missing the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years.

 

Would be excited to see them go young bringing up Martinez, Barger, Howritz to pair with Scheneider. Keep building with Varsho and anyone with 3+ years of control.

 

Trade Gausman, Bichette, and Berrios for absolute hauls. Move on from the rest of the veterans. Work on an exciting young core for the next few years and build a sustainable contender.

 

If Bichette walks for nothing in a couple years this franchise is in a lot of trouble. If this group doesn’t work out you gotta change in the off-season or go full blown nuclear with youth. Either way changes are coming.

 

 

So trade the affordable ace, star SS, and reliable #3 so that there is a 10% chance in two years that we have an affordable ace, star SS, and reliable #3?

 

 

The roster needs a couple of changes, not a major overhaul.

[Jonn]

So trade the affordable ace, star SS, and reliable #3 so that there is a 10% chance in two years that we have an affordable ace, star SS, and reliable #3?

 

 

The roster needs a couple of changes, not a major overhaul.

 

Affordable Ace that's 33 doesn't matter when you're going young. You get a prospect haul for next generation. I love Gausman but if the Jays are going to be missing the playoffs he's more valuable as a trade asset.

 

A lot of things hinge on Bichette signing an extension. If you can't sign him to an extension. He needs to be traded. And preferably before his free agent year to get the most value. It's just how business in sports works.

 

Look at the Raptors right now. This disaster scenario is unfolding right now. They lost Fred Van Vleet for nothing. Now they are primed to lose both Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby for nothing.

[BigCecil]

 

A lot of things hinge on Bichette signing an extension. If you can't sign him to an extension. He needs to be traded. And preferably before his free agent year to get the most value. It's just how business in sports works.

 

Look at the Raptors right now. This disaster scenario is unfolding right now. They lost Fred Van Vleet for nothing. Now they are primed to lose both Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby for nothing.

 

Bo is locked up for 2 more years on a good deal for both. I think he is going to test FA given his confidence in himself. All for signing him, but what do you pay a 28 yr old FA SS who is bottom third defensively at 25, and who has a 3rd percentile BB rate and 10th percentile chase rate. His bat to ball skills are elite but thats not easy to sustain.

[Jonn]

Bo is locked up for 2 more years on a good deal for both. I think he is going to test FA given his confidence in himself. All for signing him, but what do you pay a 28 yr old FA SS who is bottom third defensively at 25, and who has a 3rd percentile BB rate and 10th percentile chase rate. His bat to ball skills are elite but thats not easy to sustain.

 

Yes he will have 2 years left. Starting next Season. You don't want to wait until his final year where he loses a lot of value as a rental. If they can't sign him long term they gotta move him. You can't afford to lose that level of talent for nothing.

[BigCecil]

Yes he will have 2 years left. Starting next Season. You don't want to wait until his final year where he loses a lot of value as a rental. If they can't sign him long term they gotta move him. You can't afford to lose that level of talent for nothing.

 

You can say the same thing about Vlad next deadline. Don't disagree. Some big decisions ahead. Lots will depend on where the team is in 2024.

[Jonn]

You can say the same thing about Vlad next deadline. Don't disagree. Some big decisions ahead. Lots will depend on where the team is in 2024.

 

Vlad isn't the type of player Bo is. Outside his one mirage season in 21. He's a guy you can go year to year with. He's also expressed an interest in staying. Bo is worth a lot more and has not said such things.

[BigCecil]

Vlad isn't the type of player Bo is. Outside his one mirage season in 21. He's a guy you can go year to year with. He's also expressed an interest in staying. Bo is worth a lot more and has not said such things.

 

Right now yes. 2/3 of last season Bo was a league average bat. Things can change. Aside from the "mirage" in 2021, Vlad also had a higher wRC+ than Bo in 2022.

 

Some teams are always going to be willing to pay believing they can untap more value in Vlad again at his age with his bat speed and exit velocities. Save the concern for his body type, I think Vlad's tools age better than Bo's given Bo's high chase and low BB rates.

Edited August 29, 2023 by BigCecil

[Stangstag]

I still thoroughly believe if the Covid season never happens this roster gets built up differently. They squeaked into the Covid playoffs and it changed the timeline of everything. Our entire future was banked on Bichette and Vlad and putting veterans around them. So far that has yielded zero playoff victories and possibly missing the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years.

 

Would be excited to see them go young bringing up Martinez, Barger, Howritz to pair with Scheneider. Keep building with Varsho and anyone with 3+ years of control.

 

Trade Gausman, Bichette, and Berrios for absolute hauls. Move on from the rest of the veterans. Work on an exciting young core for the next few years and build a sustainable contender.

 

If Bichette walks for nothing in a couple years this franchise is in a lot of trouble. If this group doesn’t work out you gotta change in the off-season or go full blown nuclear with youth. Either way changes are coming.

 

Im with you on the idea of making the roster younger and not signing any 30s guys to long contracts. but we don’t need to be trading guys like Bo/Gausman etc right now. Give it another year at least.

[Stangstag]

Affordable Ace that's 33 doesn't matter when you're going young. You get a prospect haul for next generation. I love Gausman but if the Jays are going to be missing the playoffs he's more valuable as a trade asset.

 

A lot of things hinge on Bichette signing an extension. If you can't sign him to an extension. He needs to be traded. And preferably before his free agent year to get the most value. It's just how business in sports works.

 

Look at the Raptors right now. This disaster scenario is unfolding right now. They lost Fred Van Vleet for nothing. Now they are primed to lose both Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby for nothing.

 

Baseball is not at all similar to basketball, this is completely irrelevant.

 

Dumb

[Stangstag]

Yes he will have 2 years left. Starting next Season. You don't want to wait until his final year where he loses a lot of value as a rental. If they can't sign him long term they gotta move him. You can't afford to lose that level of talent for nothing.

 

Yer dum

[Brownie19]

Yer dum

 

He says so many dumn things. It hurts my head.

[Jonn]

He says so many dumn things. It hurts my head.

 

I just don't want the team to turn into a dumpster fire for another decade.

 

Unpopular opinions are the reality of our situation.

[Jonn]

Im with you on the idea of making the roster younger and not signing any 30s guys to long contracts. but we don’t need to be trading guys like Bo/Gausman etc right now. Give it another year at least.

 

You can give it another year with the core. But you're risking going into Bo's final season with no extension. And the roster is set to change a lot regardless of the outcome of this season. Maybe less on the pitching side but I expect LF, 2B and 3B to look dramatically different next season. Whether that's in house or players from coming from the outside

 

Baseball is not at all similar to basketball, this is completely irrelevant.

 

Dumb

 

It's relevant in all sports. You can't lose star players for nothing. It happens in all sports. It literally happened with Juan Soto and Mookie Betts. Those teams traded those players not because they wanted to but because they had to.

[jaysblue]

There is no need to trade Gausman. Jays will never find a better starting pitcher at that price. I don't think we should totally write off 2024 or 2025 just yet at all.

[Nursehoneybadger]

He says so many dumn things. It hurts my head.

 

you need to look in the mirror. not here but in real life because here doesn't matter and you have a bad attitude in general.