General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[BlueBaller]

Davis Schneider has a 222 wRC+ and 0.6 WAR in 36 plate appearances and John Schneider doesn't want to use him despite the offense being ass cheeks. I figured the Jays would use a couple of in house options to fill 2024 holes but I don't think it's a certainty. They are staring down the end of their Vlad/Bo window (or should I say "Bo window" instead?) and they haven't seemed eager to use more inexperienced options this season, so they might prefer the vetrin route. What Rogers does with payroll is another issue. I can't imagine a scenario where the Jays miss the playoffs in 2023 and still are a tax team in 2024, but who knows.

 

Its indefensible.

[BigCecil]

They'll be looking term. If one would take a pillow deal, that'd be fine. I want Teo.

 

Yeah if you could sign Teo to a one-year deal, that would be perfect. He probably wants to build back his value and Toronto would be a perfect place for him.

 

There will be lots of talk OTB on this, but it will be really interesting to see what hit no mitt guys like LGJ and Teo get coming off pretty mediocre seasons (1.3 and 1.4 WAR to date). Every years market is a bit diff but what would be some good recent comparables? Funnily enough thats like 3 times Vlad's WAR lol.

 

Last off season FA cost/WAR was $8.5M

[Laika]

There will be lots of talk OTB on this, but it will be really interesting to see what hit no mitt guys like LGJ and Teo get coming off pretty mediocre seasons (1.3 and 1.4 WAR to date). Every years market is a bit diff but what would be some good recent comparables? Funnily enough thats like 3 times Vlad's WAR lol.

 

Last off season FA cost/WAR was $8.5M

 

Castellanos got f***ing $100M

Schwarber $80M

Yoshida $90M

[Brownie19]

Castellanos is an interesting comparable. After some very good seasons in 2018-19, he was s*** in 2020, then great in 2021. So 3 great hitting seasons and 1 s***** one and he got paid. Of course there was an argument to forgive his shittiness in the Covid 2020 season.

 

Teo was great from 2020-22, then has s*** the bed this year. So 3 great hitting seasons and 1 shittier one.

 

I don't think Teo will get anywhere near what Castellanos got though. I think there's a real possibility he wants a pillow deal. Like 1 year $10-15M

[BigCecil]

Castellanos got f***ing $100M

Schwarber $80M

Yoshida $90M

 

Good comparables. 2 of those 3 look meh ish so far. Schwarber hits 46 bombs in '22 and tops out at 2.6 WAR for 20M. This year 0.3 and in Vlad range.

 

yoshida's D is pretty bad. I hadn't looked at his D stats before today. 0.8 WAR.

 

Castellanos is a pretty much disaster although he made some nice catches in the playoffs last year lol. 0.3 WAR after a negative '22.

 

These are cautionary tales on term/AAV to hit & no mitt players value.

[Terminator]

Whit has had a little bit of a rough week or so at the dish. Let's give him a breather today and give Babe Schneider a start?

 

I don't want to offend Cavan Biggio stans so don't worry, maybe we can put him in for Springer?

[Masterbather]

Whit has had a little bit of a rough week or so at the dish. Let's give him a breather today and give Babe Schneider a start?

 

I don't want to offend Cavan Biggio stans so don't worry, maybe we can put him in for Springer?

 

Cavan should get into the game today, not only is he hitting well but he probably had the best AB yesterday. Schneider should get in there also, although I can understand going with your everyday players against a division rival and maybe saving the kid for the homestand.

[gruber92]

Cavan should get into the game today, not only is he hitting well but he probably had the best AB yesterday. Schneider should get in there also, although I can understand going with your everyday players against a division rival and maybe saving the kid for the homestand.

 

Management has already made up their minds with Schneider, he starts against LHP and is a bench option. That's it.

[gruber92]

Weather as of now is saying it will start raining in Baltimore at roughly 9pm EST. Good chance this could be a seven inning type final tonight. Need to get on the sticks early.

[Jonn]

Gausman is 100 percent asking for a trade this off-season if this team misses the playoffs. He's not wasting the remainder of his prime here if they don't get their s*** together.

[wilko]

Gausman is 100 percent asking for a trade this off-season if this team misses the playoffs. He's not wasting the remainder of his prime here if they don't get their s*** together.

 

I'd be pissed off. They never score runs for him.

[Stangstag]

Whit has had a little bit of a rough week or so at the dish. Let's give him a breather today and give Babe Schneider a start?

 

I don't want to offend Cavan Biggio stans so don't worry, maybe we can put him in for Springer?

 

Nope

[Stangstag]

Gausman is 100 percent asking for a trade this off-season if this team misses the playoffs. He's not wasting the remainder of his prime here if they don't get their s*** together.

 

Lol ok chill. He’s been here barely 2 years. MAYBE he starts making demands if we miss this year and look bad next year.

[jaysblue]

Gausman is 100 percent asking for a trade this off-season if this team misses the playoffs. He's not wasting the remainder of his prime here if they don't get their s*** together.

 

The Jays aren't missing the Playoffs!

[BigCecil]

The Jays aren't missing the Playoffs!

 

64% odds is solid. I have 2021 PTSD. The offense has had so much trouble scoring runs.

 

Last night perfect storm on top of a solid start - bad D, no bats and bad relief pitching (Silver Fox gets a mulligan).

 

Santander hits a pitch 8 inches off the ground out looking Vlad Sr like.

 

Got to win the Series tonight!! Vlad looking like an older Tony Gwynn...from the right side. We need some bombs from that bat.

[Omar]

 

Got to win the Series tonight!! Vlad looking like an older Tony Gwynn...from the right side. We need some bombs from that bat.

 

older Gwynn > current Vladdy

[BlueBaller]

Gausman is 100 percent asking for a trade this off-season if this team misses the playoffs. He's not wasting the remainder of his prime here if they don't get their s*** together.

I don't blame him. We have too many clowns.

[glory]

older Gwynn > current Vladdy

 

Tony Gwynn's final 252 PA at ages 40 and 41:

 

116 wRC+, 0.7 WAR

 

Vlad's current 2023 season with 536 PA at age 24:

 

116 wRC+, 0.5 WAR

 

No lies detected.

[Brownie19]

Start Belt at 1st and DH Babe Schneider. Vlad is killing this team with his play and shouldn't be in the lineup. He can hang out with Manoah and reconsider his life.

[TorontonianJD]

Gausman is 100 percent asking for a trade this off-season if this team misses the playoffs. He's not wasting the remainder of his prime here if they don't get their s*** together.

 

I think the same.

[BlueBaller]

Start Belt at 1st and DH Babe Schneider. Vlad is killing this team with his play and shouldn't be in the lineup. He can hang out with Manoah and reconsider his life.

Yes! I wish these cowards would act.

[TorontonianJD]

Start Belt at 1st and DH Babe Schneider. Vlad is killing this team with his play and shouldn't be in the lineup. He can hang out with Manoah and reconsider his life.

 

Agree.

 

Vlad needs to be benched for awhile.

 

Also, I wish the April Chapman would come back. Going to be interesting to see what he gets in FA.

[jaysthebest]

Start Belt at 1st and DH Babe Schneider. Vlad is killing this team with his play and shouldn't be in the lineup. He can hang out with Manoah and reconsider his life.

 

Every fan is asking the team to remove Vlad from the high batting order, but you know this team doesn't even care about it.

[Brownie19]

Man this team is frustrating as s***. That said, what I find hilarious is that for YEARS, people were complaining the Jays relied too much on home runs and our offense and pitching/defense were secondary. Fans complained that style of offense and team approach wouldn't work in the playoffs, while others defended it by suggesting run differential is run differential.

 

Now we're 17th in home runs, (9th in wRC+), with great pitching and defense and everyone is losing their minds because the offense is so s***** and hard to watch.

 

I'm at the point where I'm done watching for the year. It's f***ing painful watching losers like Vlad everyday - but the reality is that if we can sneak into the playoffs, we know the pitching and defense has the ability to reek havoc. Either way, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[jaysthebest]

Man this team is frustrating as s***. That said, what I find hilarious is that for YEARS, people were complaining the Jays relied too much on home runs and our offense and pitching/defense were secondary. Fans complained that style of offense and team approach wouldn't work in the playoffs, while others defended it by suggesting run differential is run differential.

 

Now we're 17th in home runs, (9th in wRC+), with great pitching and defense and everyone is losing their minds because the offense is so s***** and hard to watch.

 

I'm at the point where I'm done watching for the year. It's f***ing painful watching losers like Vlad everyday - but the reality is that if we can sneak into the playoffs, we know the pitching and defense has the ability to reek havoc. Either way, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

That 9th in wRC+ is fine as long as our risp rank is on average, but... We are almost dead last in that category.

[bluejaysinternNo5]

That 9th in wRC+ is fine as long as our risp rank is on average, but... We are almost dead last in that category.

 

Yeah if our RISP production was the same as non-RISP we would be tied with Baltimore, if not ahead.

[bluejaysinternNo5]

The Vladdy situation is tough because I think at this point there is a solid point to be made in riding your hot bats in Belt and Schneider and having Vlad ride pine with so few games left in the season. On the other hand, you can look at the advanced metrics and think he's going to breakout and carry the team into the playoffs. Personally I don't think he will (I actually think he's going to sink this team lol but I would love to be proven wrong). The easy decision is to let Vladdy keep playing so that's what's going to happen.

[RobinThicc]

No way this offense is doing s*** in the playoffs, if they make it.

[Nursehoneybadger]

I watched every game from the first game of 1994 season and this game and the game 2 weeks ago where we blew a 7-3 9th inning lead and a couple months ago where we blew a 6-0 lead to the rangers and that mariners game 4 Saturdays ago are the most heartbreaking in 30 years of being a fan.

 

I don't know how they did it, but the jays are a terrible team that just wins a lot of games.

[Terminator]

We just got dominated by Jimmy Dean Sausage Creamer and Pile Gibson on back to back nights.

 

Meanwhile Babe Schneider continues to rot on the bench.

 

He’s completely buried, they won’t sit a regular for him and when they do go to the bench, they use Biggio (lmao) or even Espinal (!?) before they use Schneider.

 

Mind boggling.