Teo Traded to Seattle

[Spanky99]

Do you always look at things glass half empty?

 

Every single off season, same s***, lol.

[Spanky99]

But spanky said jays don’t want to get prospects in trades. They want “immediate help! Now!”

 

This is immediate help, if you think Toronto ain't getting an OF'er, I don't know what to tell you, meat. Good trade in a vacuum.

 

Also, f*** off.

[connorp]

This is immediate help, if you think Toronto ain't getting an OF'er, I don't know what to tell you, meat. Good trade in a vacuum.

 

Also, f*** off.

 

Thin skin, mate?

[Spanky99]

Ranked Seattle Mariners #8 prospect in-season in 2022

BA Grade: 55/Extreme

 

Track Record: Born in Slovakia, Macko was introduced to baseball in the first grade when he began hitting balls off a tee at his elementary school. When he was 10, he began watching YouTube videos of Justin Verlander and David Price to teach himself how to pitch. Macko's family moved to Ireland when he was 11 and eventually settled in Canada, where he grew into the country's top high school pitching prospect. The Mariners drafted him in the seventh round in 2019 and signed him for $250,000 to forgo a Purdue commitment. Macko made his full-season debut with Low-A Modesto in 2021 and was limited to 33.1 innings by recurring shoulder tenderness, but he showed electric stuff when healthy.

 

Scouting Report: Macko has progressed rapidly given his unconventional background. After sitting in the upper 80s in high school, he now averages 93-94 mph and touches 97-98 with his fastball. His primary weapon is a sweeping, high-spin curveball in the low 70s with late tilt and bite that gets both swings and misses and called strikes on both sides of the plate. He has advanced feel to alter the shape and length of his curveball, making it a consensus plus-plus offering. Macko also has an average low-80s slider and fringy low-80s changeup, although he mostly just dominates with his fastball and curveball. Macko flashes average control but struggles with consistency. He often cruises for a few innings before suddenly unraveling.

 

The Future: Macko is frequently requested by other teams in trade discussions. His stuff and projection give him mid-rotation potential if he can stay healthy and tighten his control with more experience.

 

Scouting Grades: Fastball: 55. Slider: 50. Curveball: 70. Changeup: 45. Control: 45.

[Brownie19]

FYI:

 

Hernandez suffered an oblique injury in April and also caught Covid. In the month of May he played 19 games and posted a .428 OPS.

 

From June 1 forward, Hernandez slashed .285/.331/.536/.867, he was 5th in ISO (total raw power) among OF's in baseball, and 11th in overall WAR generated among OF's.

 

Since 2020... he's posted around an .860 overall OPS. He's a signficant upgrade over Haniger.

 

Swanson was a low to mid-leverage reliever who the Mariners didn’t trust in big spots in the playoffs. He often pitched when the M’s had a larger lead or needed a slight inning’s eater. According to Fangraphs, he threw 32 low-leverage innings, 19 mid-leverage, 8.2 high-leverage. He was a significantly worse pitcher in those high-leverage situations, allowing a .747 OPS vs a .513 OPS in low and mid leverage situations. He appeared to thrive in situations that just didn’t matter as much which tells me that the stats he threw up last year might be a little bit overvalued.

 

Macko might be decently regarded… but the stats haven’t caught up yet. He has a 4.55 ERA in his last 85 innings pitched around A, A+ and the AZ Fall League. His major flaws thus far have been injury concerns and a really high walk rate, as evident of a 1.411 WHIP in the minors. He’s a high upside but also high flop type prospect.

 

Sounds great - until you factor in that you have to pay players money. Enjoy Teo though - he's an easy guy to root for. His smile is infectious, but his defense (and sometime his base running) can been infuriating. His profile suggests he'll probably fall off in his early 30's to be careful signing him long term. We weren't going to, so we get controllable assets and $$$ to spend on FA's, while you get him for 1 more year unless you want to give him a QO.

 

Lots of low leverage guys work their way up into high leverage situations. Swanson's Savant page is really sexy and we need arms that miss bats. With 3 years of control and making peanuts - he's a good fit for us and we get a lottery ticket in Macko who was highly sought after.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Brownie19

[Spanky99]

Thin skin, mate?

 

No connorp, carry on with your trolling, have at it.

[Solaxys]

I absolutely love this trade. I love Teo but he wasn't getting an extension, and Adam Macko + Swanson is a legit haul for 1 yr of him. We def need a good CF to compensate for the loss of production, but still a smart move. Got money back, got prospect back, nice.

 

Not to mention Springer moves to RF and becomes less injury prone and provides ++ defense there.

 

Also, hopefully Vlad finds a better f***in attitude mentor now.

 

 

Adam Macko is my new favorite player; what a story. Atkins is super high on him, pursued him every year from Seattle, finally got his boy.

[Spanky99]

Teoscar is one of my favorite recent jays. Super positive guy, very hard working, always smiling, god tier name. I hope he gets paid next winter.

 

I totally get why we traded him though.

 

Yeah, the only downside here is the attachment I gained to Teo, but it's a solid trade.

[Dagagad]

I absolutely love this trade. I love Teo but he wasn't getting an extension, and Adam Macko + Swanson is a legit haul for 1 yr of him. We def need a good CF to compensate for the loss of production, but still a smart move. Got money back, got prospect back, nice.

 

Not to mention Springer moves to RF and becomes less injury prone and provides ++ defense there.

 

Also, hopefully Vlad finds a better f***in attitude mentor now.

 

 

Adam Macko is my new favorite player; what a story. Atkins is super high on him, pursued him every year from Seattle, finally got his boy.

 

I think Kevin Goldstein described Teo as one of the hardest working most positive guys he dealt with when at Houston. He’s a fantastic attitude mentor.

[Solaxys]

HeÂ’s a fantastic attitude mentor.

 

Then Vlad definitely picked up on the wrong bits from him - i.e. not running everything out, pimping doubles, etc.

[Dagagad]

Then Vlad definitely picked up on the wrong bits from him them - i.e. not running everything out, pimping doubles, etc.

 

Vlad ‘picked up’ stuff that is in the grand scheme of things don’t matter. He didnt take on the things that Teo improved alot over his career by relentless hard work.

 

I think the most likely thing is that vlad’s problems come from Vlad.

[wilko]

The Barrio lost a member today.

 

[Solaxys]

Vlad ‘picked up’ stuff that is in the grand scheme of things don’t matter. He didnt take on the things that Teo improved alot over his career by relentless hard work.

 

I think the most likely thing is that vlad’s problems come from Vlad.

 

Fair and that's why I hope that he can find a better mentor who can influence him positively even against his own ideations.

Teo couldn't do it and Vlad/him spend a lot of time together during the season. Now he has time to spend it with someone else who can instill the drive needed to be who the organization needs him to be.

 

You are reading it like I am attacking Teo, when I am saying Vlad just needs someone else to steer him.

[Dagagad]

Fair and that's why I hope that he can find a better mentor who can influence him positively even against his own ideations.

Teo couldn't do it and Vlad/him spend a lot of time together during the season. Now he has time to spend it with someone else who can instill the drive needed to be who the organization needs him to be.

 

You are reading it like I am attacking Teo, when I am saying Vlad just needs someone else to steer him.

 

What I’m saying is that if Vlad can’t get inspiration from a guy who took a 20 grade eye up to a level where he could be a major league regular, then he might not be mature enough to be mentored. I hope I’m wrong though.

[Key22]

One thing to keep in mind was the bit about "many teams were interested in Macko" - if true then they will still be interested. With a weak farm system the Jays now have a trade chip in Macko to sweeten the pot of other deals they are interested in making. A Kirk+Macko package for example.

[peterkim]

they always make mistake

trade good player for who was good for 1 year and prospect

its not good, need to packaged him for proven bat or proven pitcher

[Krylian]

they always make mistake

trade good player for who was good for 1 year and prospect

its not good, need to packaged him for proven bat or proven pitcher

 

Who should they have traded Teoscar for?

[Captain_Obvious]

Who should they have traded Teoscar for?

 

I will cover peterkim. I trade Teo for Alcantra obviously. Alcantra can't even hit 2 HRs.

[G-Snarls]

they always make mistake

trade good player for who was good for 1 year and prospect

its not good, need to packaged him for proven bat or proven pitcher

 

Maybe you should make a thread about....

 

oh wait

[BigCecil]

Hmm. 23 is a win now season. Teo could pretty easily be a 4+ WAR player again. Back to back to back 130 wRC+ seasons. He only has a year left but moving him for control to allegedly build a sustainably competitive team is relative to the value of the control and the lotto ticket coming back. Have to look at the whole body of work for the off season to come to properly view this deal. At this point underwhelming to me, but some good takes with opposing views ITT. Really like the guy. But part of a shake up maybe? If we hold that game 2 lead vs SEA and win Game 3 his 2 bombs become a piece of Jays lore. Sad to see him go but he wasn’t likely to extend regardless.

[Captain_Obvious]

Hmm. 23 is a win now season. Teo could pretty easily be a 4+ WAR player again. Back to back to back 130 wRC+ seasons. He only has a year left but moving him for control to allegedly build a sustainably competitive team is relative to the value of the control and the lotto ticket coming back. Have to look at the whole body of work for the off season to come to properly view this deal. At this point underwhelming to me, but some good takes with opposing views ITT. Really like the guy. But part of a shake up maybe? If we hold that game 2 lead vs SEA and win Game 3 his 2 bombs become a piece of Jays lore. Sad to see him go but he wasn’t likely to extend regardless.

 

I am pretty sure everyone is assuming another move will follow to get a true CF who can exceed Teo's value. If this does not happen, then the trade is terrible in terms of improving the 2023 team despite being fair overall.

[G-Snarls]

I am pretty sure everyone is assuming another move will follow to get a true CF who can exceed Teo's value. If this does not happen, then the trade is terrible in terms of improving the 2023 team despite being fair overall.

 

Thanks Captain Obvious

[Jonn]

If there isn’t a substantial piece added to the Outfield there’s going to be tons of questions. We’re very much all in wait and see mode. I feel we had Outfield concerns before this trade. We certainly have a major hole now. Could we live with another year of Lourdes in LF probably but he really wasn’t very good this season and I don’t think Springer should be playing CF full time anymore.

[Captain_Obvious]

Thanks Captain Obvious

 

Just doing my job.

[Carlos Danger]

Goes to my point after the Diaz signing. The market for pitching is astronomical at the moment. Diaz deal, Suarez deal, this trade, (which I am ok with) just goes to show the cost of pitching either in FA, or by trade is high!

[connorp]

I am pretty sure everyone is assuming another move will follow to get a true CF who can exceed Teo's value. If this does not happen, then the trade is terrible in terms of improving the 2023 team despite being fair overall.

 

We agree on something bro. Something is off

[Jonn]

We agree on something bro. Something is off

 

No you’re both just speaking in logic.

 

Nobody likes this trade in a vacuum lol. Anyone who tells you otherwise is f***ing lying lol. It’s what this trade will ultimately lead to is what intrigues people. A huge domino can fall now because of this scenario playing out. The flexibility has been created now we sit back and watch it unfold.

[L54]

I mean it’s the middle of November and there have been like three free agent signings and a couple of trades. No way they’re going to go into next year with Merrifield in CF and Espinal/Biggio at second. What addition(s) offensively is yet to be seen but they’re not calling it an offseason by adding Erik Swanson and that’s it.

[L54]

No you’re both just speaking in logic.

 

Nobody likes this trade in a vacuum lol. Anyone who tells you otherwise is f***ing lying lol. It’s what this trade will ultimately lead to is what intrigues people. A huge domino can fall now because of this scenario playing out. The flexibility has been created now we sit back and watch it unfold.

 

Good post Jonn

[L54]

Money saved in this trade + trading one of the catchers mean two sizeable additions should be expected this offseason.