Poll: Which catcher would you move in the off-season?

[Stangstag]

Trading Jansen makes the most sense and anyone here who doesn't see that is just plain DUMN.

 

-Jansen is the most expensive and the team is getting pricey. But he's not so expensive that it would prohibit any teams from trading for him.

-He has the least amount of control left and members of the the core are getting closer to FA. If we trade him and he balls out for two years it's not the end of the world when we have more than capable replacements. Trading 4 years of Kirk or 6 years of the #1 prospect in baseball could definitely sting. But he's also not a rental, again making him an attractive option for the acquiring team.

-He's also the most injury prone, but he's coming off a pretty damn good year despite the injuries and finished the season healthy. Perfect time to sell high on him.

 

The only reasons I've seen for trading Kirk over Jansen are DUMN. All anyone says is (1) Kirk is fat and (2) Kirk has more trade value. 1 is just stupid because Kirk is under control through his age 27 season. His fat butt will be just fine until then and he's proven to be more durable than Jansen has anyway. 2 is DUMN because you're just admitting that Kirk is the better asset than Jansen! It's not going to kill the team to keep the better asset you dipshits. We need a couple of backend starters and a reliever and possibly a left handed bat. That's it.

 

I would argue your reasons for trading Jansen are dumb. But obviously YOU are right so it doesn’t matter what I say

[Stangstag]

Jansen wouldn't be that expensive to extend. If Jansen agrees to a reasonable extension, Kirk is most likely to be traded. It has nothing to do with Kirk having more trade value, but because his current trade value is close to (or actually exceeding) his true value, compared to Jansen and Moreno. i.e., sell high vs. sell low.

 

I honestly don't give a f*** which one they trade, all are MLB starting calibre catchers. I do trust in Shatkins to make the right move.

 

Yeah I agree with this. They are all great catchers that most teams would love to have. Just gotta find the best trade fit with another team.

[Captain_Obvious]

That's all fair. Is there an argument that by moving him to RF (and letting him DH more) that we could actually get more production out of him? Would that move give him a high probability of staying healthier and thus in the lineup more? Will his defense continue to decline to the point he's a liability in CF?

 

Perhaps it's not a dire need in 2023 and perhaps that should be the only focus because of the impending FA's after that - but I have a hard time not looking past that as I want a sustainable winner. We don't really have any obvious candidates in the minors who we can rely on, nor a plethora of top prospect depth we can use to trade for a CFer. The catcher position seemingly gives us our best chance to fill a hole on this team. I don't think you want to use one of our catchers to add a back end starter, reliever or a lefty bat (who isn't an impact starter). IMO, we're moving a catcher to add an impact core player to this team and for me - CF seems like a great target for that player (with a young, top of the rotation type starter being the other).

 

While CF itself is not the biggest issue, OF defense overall is. The Jays were 27th in MLB in OF defense. Moving Teoscar to LF and finding a better RF is one way to solve the problem. However, you can improve all positions simultaneously by finding a better CF than Springer, and then moving Springer to RF, and Teo to LF. A trade with Arizona makes so much sense as they have 4 true CFs (all lefties to boot). There are so many options including:

1- Moreno or Kirk for Carroll + Bumgarner + cash

2- Kirk for Varsho.

3- Kirk for Thomas + something good (Lawlar?)

[Terminator]

I would argue your reasons for trading Jansen are dumb. But obviously YOU are right so it doesn’t matter what I say

 

Thank you! Finally we agree on something

[Terminator]

Fans love cookie cutter rosters where we've got a perfectly balanced lineup of alternating Righties and Lefties and perfect backups who blend in well neatly with the starters. Reality is that this isn't MLB The Show where we've got 1 user and 29 idiot NPC GM's.

 

We've got some major holes in the rotation and anything we do there is going to greatly improve the team and should be the focal point far beyond swapping a bunch of s*** around just to get a lefty into the everyday lineup (who's probably going to bat bottom 3 anyway) or to get a CF and shift Springer over to RF. That stuff would be nice but it isn't 100 percent necessary to make a bunch of moves for marginal improvements.

[Jimcanuck]

While CF itself is not the biggest issue, OF defense overall is. The Jays were 27th in MLB in OF defense. Moving Teoscar to LF and finding a better RF is one way to solve the problem. However, you can improve all positions simultaneously by finding a better CF than Springer, and then moving Springer to RF, and Teo to LF. A trade with Arizona makes so much sense as they have 4 true CFs (all lefties to boot). There are so many options including:

1- Moreno or Kirk for Carroll + Bumgarner + cash

2- Kirk for Varsho.

3- Kirk for Thomas + something good (Lawlar?)

 

Kirk for Thomas and Lawlar? Sign me up!!

[Jimcanuck]

Fans love cookie cutter rosters where we've got a perfectly balanced lineup of alternating Righties and Lefties and perfect backups who blend in well neatly with the starters. Reality is that this isn't MLB The Show where we've got 1 user and 29 idiot NPC GM's.

 

We've got some major holes in the rotation and anything we do there is going to greatly improve the team and should be the focal point far beyond swapping a bunch of s*** around just to get a lefty into the everyday lineup (who's probably going to bat bottom 3 anyway) or to get a CF and shift Springer over to RF. That stuff would be nice but it isn't 100 percent necessary to make a bunch of moves for marginal improvements.

 

You are assuming there is a trade fit involving one of the catchers for pitching. Sometimes you have to make the move that improves the overall team WAR as opposed to addressing specific needs.

[Captain_Obvious]

Kirk for Thomas and Lawlar? Sign me up!!

 

Lawlar is probably too much. That being said, Thomas was very bad offensively last year. If I am trading someone as good as Kirk, I would want something significant to come back with Thomas.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Captain_Obvious

[Laika]

Galaxy Brain move = trade ALL of the catchers and then sign some boring but competent catching schmuck from the free agency pile.

 

Building around catching is dumb, I hate catchers.

[Terminator]

You are assuming there is a trade fit involving one of the catchers for pitching. Sometimes you have to make the move that improves the overall team WAR as opposed to addressing specific needs.

 

I'm not assuming that. If there's a good trade for a C that doesn't involve pitching then that could be okay. But it's clear what the team needs are. Getting someone better than Mitch White and Yusei Kikuchi is a higher priority than getting a lefty bat in there over Lourdes Gurriel Jr (who hits RHP just fine) or a CFer in there over Springer.

[Stangstag]

Galaxy Brain move = trade ALL of the catchers and then sign some boring but competent catching schmuck from the free agency pile.

 

Building around catching is dumb, I hate catchers.

 

Houston seems to do just fine with Maldonado. Yankees were content getting rid of Sanchez in favor of Higashioka/Trevino.

 

A lot of good teams seem to see catching as a defense-first position. We could honestly be fine keeping 1 of Kirk/Moreno and trading the other 2.

 

I think the clearest way to address run prevention is to add an elite defender in CF, pushing Springer to a corner and having only one of Teo/Lourdes in the outfield at any given time. Again, Tampa has rolled with elite D noodle bats in CF for ages and it works.

[Mikeleelop]

one issue this season was the Jays having Moreno sitting on the bench to end the season. He their best prospect asset (above average MLB catcher) and they would not use him in games and apparently not in trades either.

 

Next season this needs to be rectified, 3 players for 1.5 spots (C and part time DH)

 

I would choose to move Kirk, my opinion without knowing the facts about relative trade value. My thought is that Moreno has the highest trade value because he is the youngest and has the highest ceiling. Kirk would have 2nd value because of age/control.

 

it becomes asset management and moving one is important to improve other areas of the roster. The next discussion would be where you prioritize you areas to improve. Contenders don't have players like Tapia getting 500 AB in a season. so i would like to add a CF. If you move Springer to RF you prob also are going to move either Hernandez or Gurriel otherwise you have a log jam with 4 full time OF (Gurriel, Springer, Hernandez, new CF)

 

so off season i'd trade Kirk and Hernandez/Gurriel to improve your team. you'd add a full time CF and hopefully a higher end Starting pitcher in that scenario.

 

Relief pitching can be added through Pearson, Zulueta and Free agency

[Stangstag]

one issue this season was the Jays having Moreno sitting on the bench to end the season. He their best prospect asset (above average MLB catcher) and they would not use him in games and apparently not in trades either.

 

Next season this needs to be rectified, 3 players for 1.5 spots (C and part time DH)

 

I would choose to move Kirk, my opinion without knowing the facts about relative trade value. My thought is that Moreno has the highest trade value because he is the youngest and has the highest ceiling. Kirk would have 2nd value because of age/control.

 

it becomes asset management and moving one is important to improve other areas of the roster. The next discussion would be where you prioritize you areas to improve. Contenders don't have players like Tapia getting 500 AB in a season. so i would like to add a CF. If you move Springer to RF you prob also are going to move either Hernandez or Gurriel otherwise you have a log jam with 4 full time OF (Gurriel, Springer, Hernandez, new CF)

 

so off season i'd trade Kirk and Hernandez/Gurriel to improve your team. you'd add a full time CF and hopefully a higher end Starting pitcher in that scenario.

 

Relief pitching can be added through Pearson, Zulueta and Free agency

 

Agree with this. Either way, I’m interested to see how the FO addresses the clear areas of weakness from last season (OF defense, RP, 4/5 SP, depth)

[Jimcanuck]

Houston seems to do just fine with Maldonado. Yankees were content getting rid of Sanchez in favor of Higashioka/Trevino.

 

A lot of good teams seem to see catching as a defense-first position. We could honestly be fine keeping 1 of Kirk/Moreno and trading the other 2.

 

I think the clearest way to address run prevention is to add an elite defender in CF, pushing Springer to a corner and having only one of Teo/Lourdes in the outfield at any given time. Again, Tampa has rolled with elite D noodle bats in CF for ages and it works.

 

Good point about trading two of the 3. The other option is trade one of them not named Moreno, and use Moreno as a C, 2B, 3B, OF. Re-sign the parking lot pervert or something.

[Terminator]

Why is everyone so hellbent on fixing the CF defense when the more obvious problem is SS defense? Is it racism (Springer is African-American) or ageism (Springer is old)? Or do you all just not know as much about the game as you think you do (yer all DUMN)?

[G-Snarls]

I'm actually almost surprised that Kirk isn't a switch hitter

[Stangstag]

Why is everyone so hellbent on fixing the CF defense when the more obvious problem is SS defense? Is it racism (Springer is African-American) or ageism (Springer is old)? Or do you all just not know as much about the game as you think you do (yer all DUMN)?

 

Yeah you nailed it. Need a white guy in charge in CF. Should just move Bo to CF honestly

[L54]

Why is everyone so hellbent on fixing the CF defense when the more obvious problem is SS defense? Is it racism (Springer is African-American) or ageism (Springer is old)? Or do you all just not know as much about the game as you think you do (yer all DUMN)?

 

You think Atkins actually has the balls to move Bo off of SS? Zero chance

[John_Havok]

one issue this season was the Jays having Moreno sitting on the bench to end the season. He their best prospect asset (above average MLB catcher) and they would not use him in games and apparently not in trades either.

 

Next season this needs to be rectified, 3 players for 1.5 spots (C and part time DH)

 

I would choose to move Kirk, my opinion without knowing the facts about relative trade value. My thought is that Moreno has the highest trade value because he is the youngest and has the highest ceiling. Kirk would have 2nd value because of age/control.

 

it becomes asset management and moving one is important to improve other areas of the roster. The next discussion would be where you prioritize you areas to improve. Contenders don't have players like Tapia getting 500 AB in a season. so i would like to add a CF. If you move Springer to RF you prob also are going to move either Hernandez or Gurriel otherwise you have a log jam with 4 full time OF (Gurriel, Springer, Hernandez, new CF)

 

so off season i'd trade Kirk and Hernandez/Gurriel to improve your team. you'd add a full time CF and hopefully a higher end Starting pitcher in that scenario.

 

Relief pitching can be added through Pearson, Zulueta and Free agency

 

My only critique of your thesis is that Kirk should have more value than Moreno. Like, if you were trading Kirk, you’d be wanting a prospect back in Morenos range plus some other lower level lottery ticket. Kirk is the known quantity, Moreno still has question marks

[Mikeleelop]

My only critique of your thesis is that Kirk should have more value than Moreno. Like, if you were trading Kirk, youÂ’d be wanting a prospect back in Morenos range plus some other lower level lottery ticket. Kirk is the known quantity, Moreno still has question marks

 

yes, why i said i don't know how each of the three are valued externally (or internally). kirk is known, but his appearance (and speed) influences my perception of his value

 

if we are trading Kirk (or moreno), we aren't doing it for another prospect - we are in play now and win now mode so you need an every day player or mid rotation starting pitcher

[Omar]

Why is everyone so hellbent on fixing the CF defense when the more obvious problem is SS defense? Is it racism (Springer is African-American) or ageism (Springer is old)? Or do you all just not know as much about the game as you think you do (yer all DUMN)?

 

Why are you guys so quick to push Bo out of SS? Because he makes errors? He is going to keep getting better. Short stops make the most errors of any position. He isn't alone either.

 

Most errors in 2022. The top ten list. Notice anything peculiar about which position makes the most errors?

 

 

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[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]1[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Javier Baez[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Detroit Tigers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]26[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]2[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Bo Bichette[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Toronto Blue Jays[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]23[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]3[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Bobby Witt Jr.[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Kansas City Royals[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]19[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]3[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Jeremy Pena[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Houston Astros[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]19[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Isiah Kiner-Falefa[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]New York Yankees[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Jorge Mateo[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Baltimore Orioles[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Trea Turner[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Los Angeles Dodgers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Kolten Wong[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Milwaukee Brewers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]2B[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Oneil Cruz[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Pittsburgh Pirates[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Corey Seager[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Texas Rangers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Ryan McMahon[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Colorado Rockies[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]2B[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

Bo also started 157 games this season. No one else on this list started more than 149. This talk about moving Bichette is a fools errand.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Omar

[Mikeleelop]

Why are you guys so quick to push Bo out of SS? Because he makes errors? He is going to keep getting better. Short stops make the most errors of any position. He isn't alone either.

 

Most errors in 2022. The top ten list. Notice anything peculiar about which position makes the most errors?

 

 

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[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]1[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Javier Baez[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Detroit Tigers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]26[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]2[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Bo Bichette[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Toronto Blue Jays[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]23[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]3[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Bobby Witt Jr.[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Kansas City Royals[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]19[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]3[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Jeremy Pena[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Houston Astros[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]19[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Isiah Kiner-Falefa[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]New York Yankees[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Jorge Mateo[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Baltimore Orioles[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Trea Turner[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Los Angeles Dodgers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Kolten Wong[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Milwaukee Brewers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]2B[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Oneil Cruz[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Pittsburgh Pirates[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: even]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Corey Seager[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Texas Rangers[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]SS[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: rank text-center sorting_1, align: center]5[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Ryan McMahon[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]Colorado Rockies[/TD]

[TD=class: text-left]2B[/TD]

[TD=class: text-right, align: right]17[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

Bo also started 157 games this season. No one else on this list started more than 149. This talk about moving Bichette is a fools errand.

 

i think errors are not the only issue, his range is not strong as shown by his Defensive Runs Saved numbers

[Omar]

i think errors are not the only issue, his range is not strong as shown by his Defensive Runs Saved numbers

 

Yeah I don’t know. His fielding percentage is on the lower end so there is that but the Jays also shifted a lot this past season so maybe that affected his drs? His error totals could probably be reduced 20% if held up he ball instead of trying to make a play.

[Terminator]

I think the clearest way to address run prevention is to add an elite defender in CF, pushing Springer to a corner and having only one of Teo/Lourdes in the outfield at any given time. Again, Tampa has rolled with elite D noodle bats in CF for ages and it works.

 

Wouldn't finding a couple of starting pitchers better than Yusei Kikuchi or Mitch White be a better way to address run prevention? Seems pretty obvious to me. But what do I know I'm only the BJMB Poster of the Year going on 15 plus years now.

[Brownie19]

Wouldn't finding a couple of starting pitchers better than Yusei Kikuchi or Mitch White be a better way to address run prevention? Seems pretty obvious to me. But what do I know I'm only the BJMB Poster of the Year going on 15 plus years now.

 

Obviously we're going to need to re-sign Stripling or add another starter or 2, but it seems unlikely we're going to target a top of the rotation arm with Gausman, Manoah and Berrios manning the Top 3 spots. Mitch White isn't as a bad as the results indicate. He's going to be kept as starting depth for this team and it will be interesting to see what they do with Kikuchi. It appears there will be a couple of options on their way through the farm system also that will certainly help with our depth issue.

[Stangstag]

Wouldn't finding a couple of starting pitchers better than Yusei Kikuchi or Mitch White be a better way to address run prevention? Seems pretty obvious to me. But what do I know I'm only the BJMB Poster of the Year going on 15 plus years now.

 

Adding a starter or two is a given, should be #1 priority. I also think there’s a decent chance Mitch White turns out to be a good back-end rotation piece, I don’t mind him as the 6th/depth guy.

[Laika]

Adding a starter or two is a given, should be #1 priority. I also think there’s a decent chance Mitch White turns out to be a good back-end rotation piece, I don’t mind him as the 6th/depth guy.

 

He made a bad first impression but he did have a good FIP with Toronto, and a good FIP on the season in 99 innings.

Should be a good #6 SP.

And the #6 on Toronto will basically be the #5 because Kikuchi is useless.

 

Manoah/Gausman

Berrios <------- Ideally they add someone who is a capable SP3 to slot above Berrios. Could even be Stripling coming back...

Kikuchi/White

Ryu (second half)

Zulueta, Tiedemann (maybe)

<------- they also need better MiLB depth this year. Hatch and Kay, Lawrence and Pearson, those guys aren't going to cut it. I think other than Zulu and Tiedemann the arms who are close enough to maybe help in 2023 are all bullpen prospects.

[Terminator]

He made a bad first impression but he did have a good FIP with Toronto, and a good FIP on the season in 99 innings.

Should be a good #6 SP.

And the #6 on Toronto will basically be the #5 because Kikuchi is useless.

 

Manoah/Gausman

Berrios <------- Ideally they add someone who is a capable SP3 to slot above Berrios. Could even be Stripling coming back...

Kikuchi/White

Ryu (second half)

Zulueta, Tiedemann (maybe)

<------- they also need better MiLB depth this year. Hatch and Kay, Lawrence and Pearson, those guys aren't going to cut it. I think other than Zulu and Tiedemann the arms who are close enough to maybe help in 2023 are all bullpen prospects.

 

So Ryu underwent surgery on June 18. The timeline for return is typically 12-18 months but I think pitchers are trending more toward the 12 month period now right? I believe there's a new technique which makes it a more concrete 12 months instead of the 18 even but I don't know if Ryu underwent that procedure or not.

 

Seeing as he's a FA at the end of the year, I think it makes sense for both parties for him to rehab and try and come back for the second half. So it'd be about 12.5 months which is doable.

[Laika]

So Ryu underwent surgery on June 18. The timeline for return is typically 12-18 months but I think pitchers are trending more toward the 12 month period now right? I believe there's a new technique which makes it a more concrete 12 months instead of the 18 even but I don't know if Ryu underwent that procedure or not.

 

Seeing as he's a FA at the end of the year, I think it makes sense for both parties for him to rehab and try and come back for the second half. So it'd be about 12.5 months which is doable.

 

I guess he might prefer the more cautious approach which is to not try for significant contribution in 2023 and then do a pillow contract somewhere in 2024 after a normal offseason

[Terminator]

I guess he might prefer the more cautious approach which is to not try for significant contribution in 2023 and then do a pillow contract somewhere in 2024 after a normal offseason

 

Yeah probably but the team should push him to get out there. He seems like a team player who wants to be out there. At the time of his signing, he was the dude of the team. I think he would love to come back and contribute to a playoff run.