The Blue Jays acquire Mitchell White

[Terminator]

Yep, it's horseshit.

 

Atkins should lose his job this offseason if we don't make a run.

 

If you're going to give up Frasso, you better give up more than that and get something significant to put us over the hump in the post-season. White, as many have mentioned, is Strip 2.0.

 

This return is a nothing burger and we lose a future Top 50-100 prospect, and potentially higher, if the results keep going. Frasso throws Upper 90s with great control and great secondaries, and, most importantly, misses a ton of bats.

 

He's a 40+ FV prospect and you're calling for Atkins to be fired. LMAO

[P2F]

Difference here is Nick Frasso is a hell of a lot better prospect than Kendal Williams was. How much you wanna bet Frasso makes his debut for the Dodgers before next September?

 

I will take this bet.

[Abomination]

Can someone post White's numbers as a reliever?

 

His xFIP is nearly identical, but his real world results in the pen are very, very good. .196/.266/.291 with a 2.72 ERA. Reality is probably somewhere in between.

[saskjayfan]

Not a fan of losing Frasso but the Jays filled the 4 holes they had with 2 guys with tons of term, Bass who has another year, Meh Merrifield, and got a lottery ticket prospect back and all they gave up of value was Frasso and the corpse of Groshans. Castillo, Beasley, and Taylor were 40 man/rule 5 fodder, and Brito is a complete young 1 in a million prospect. Hopefully these are 3 less holes the Jays have to fill next offseason/deadline.

 

It's the opposite of flashy, and I really hope they don't regret giving up Frasso. Flashy would have been fun and possibly more effective this year but as a whole it seems pretty decent.

 

Is the difference between Castillo and White enough for me to want to lose Frasso? I'd rather not have Merrifield who will have to get vaxxed and not acquired White and kept Castillo and Frasso. We needed Rodon. I'd have rather overpaid and went for it.

[Captain Adama]

Yep, it's horseshit.

 

Atkins should lose his job this offseason if we don't make a run.

 

If you're going to give up Frasso, you better give up more than that and get something significant to put us over the hump in the post-season. White, as many have mentioned, is Strip 2.0.

 

This return is a nothing burger and we lose a future Top 50-100 prospect, and potentially higher, if the results keep going. Frasso throws Upper 90s with great control and great secondaries, and, most importantly, misses a ton of bats.

 

Bro did you see what the Yankees gave up for Benintendi? Or for Effross?

 

Frasso was probably not gonna be a top 100 guy.

 

All of those guys have similar profiles/value to Frasso. That's just the market this year.

 

Sure it sucks, but Frasso is 23 in A ball and already has a concerning injury history.

[Terminator]

Frasso isn't even a lock to make the majors and if he does he's got a very high reliever probablity. Geezus you guys.

[RustyTrombone]

Public prospect rankings dont mean s***. Like comeon you seriously gonna reference f***ing Fangraphs values? The guys they have to do those lists see the players like a couple times a year...

 

I 100% believe the Dodgers had Frasso as a top 5 or 6 prospect in our system.

[metafour]

Difference here is Nick Frasso is a hell of a lot better prospect than Kendal Williams was. How much you wanna bet Frasso makes his debut for the Dodgers before next September?

 

Name me the last prospect that this front office has regretted trading.

 

If you haven't figured out by now, they are dead-set against trading the guys they think are irreplaceable. They have been extremely good at evaluating the guys they have sent out.

 

I'm not saying that Frasso is nothing, but if they thought he was some elite MLB pitcher next year he doesn't get moved. The reality is that he's almost 24 and he's still in High A. They aren't trading Noah Syndergaard the prospect here.

 

It's literally the same story as last year: "oh noes, we traded Martin and SWR!!"

 

Kendall Williams was a high-bonus ~6'5 HS pitcher that people were fretting would become a top-end starter for the Dodgers. He looks like forgettable crap. The Jays knew what he was and had no problem moving him.

[THANOS]

He's a 40+ FV prospect and you're calling for Atkins to be fired. LMAO

 

How about instead of reading his Fangraphs FV, you look at the results he's putting up on his FG page and read up on his stuff?

 

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two. This is not Kendall Williams.

[RustyTrombone]

Name me the last prospect that this front office has regretted trading.

 

If you haven't figured out by now, they are dead-set against trading the guys they think are irreplaceable. They have been extremely good at evaluating the guys they have sent out.

 

I'm not saying that Frasso is nothing, but if they thought he was some elite MLB pitcher next year he doesn't get moved. The reality is that he's almost 24 and he's still in High A. They aren't trading Noah Syndergaard the prospect here.

 

It's literally the same story as last year: "oh noes, we traded Martin and SWR!!"

 

Kendall Williams was a high-bonus ~6'5 HS pitcher that people were fretting would become a top-end starter for the Dodgers. He looks like forgettable crap. The Jays knew what he was and had no problem moving him.

 

Maybe you are right. Maybe I was just in love with Frassos ability as a pitcher and didnt want to see him moved.

[Jonn]

Frasso isn't even a lock to make the majors and if he does he's got a very high reliever probablity. Geezus you guys.

 

A high reliever priority with a high 90's fastball and swing and miss stuff. You know like exactly what the Jays need right now? That kind of probability?

[InsideThePark]

I wonder if Dodger fans are panicking that the organization that's been great at developing position players just stole their diamond in the rough 20+ ranked infield prospect Alex De Jesus. I would guess no.

[Laika]

Mitch White is only like Stripling because he's a Dodgers depth SP.

 

White actually has stuff

[Laika]

How about instead of reading his Fangraphs FV, you look at the results he's putting up on his FG page and read up on his stuff?

 

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two. This is not Kendall Williams.

 

Watch him pitch. He honestly doesn't look like a starter

[metafour]

Maybe you are right. Maybe I was just in love with Frassos ability as a pitcher and didnt want to see him moved.

 

That's fine, I like Frasso too.

 

But this front office sees these guys day-in and day-out. Frasso is old, has been injured, and hasn't pitched above A-ball.

 

Perhaps they see something underlying and see this as a sell-high situation?

 

The thing that should give you confidence is that they have been absurdly reluctant to trade away their "high impact" prospects. I don't think they're trading this kid away for Mich White if they thought he was that type of prospect.

[Jonn]

I guess the real question is. Would people be this upset if Frasso was traded in a Carlos Rodon trade or a Raisel Iglesias trade. We can throw Noah Syndergaard in the mix as well. Boring Mitch "f***ing" White has been well established.

[RustyTrombone]

That's fine, I like Frasso too.

 

But this front office sees these guys day-in and day-out. Frasso is old, has been injured, and hasn't pitched above A-ball.

 

Perhaps they see something underlying and see this as a sell-high situation?

 

The thing that should give you confidence is that they have been absurdly reluctant to trade away their "high impact" prospects. I don't think they're trading this kid away for Mich White if they thought he was that type of prospect.

 

Its either that or they view White as a legitimate long term rotation piece.

[THANOS]

Watch him pitch. He honestly doesn't look like a starter

 

I have. I have watched 2-3 starts on the MILB app, and he had control of 3-4 pitches (Sinker, 4SM, CH & CV) and got whiffs.

 

I didn't see any reliever risk in the starts I watched.

 

He could have looked terrible in the other starts, sure, but the FG page doesn't reflect that. Instead, he looks like a guy who could easily be dominating AA right now and maybe AAA.

[RustyTrombone]

I guess the real question is. Would people be this upset if Frasso was traded in a Carlos Rodon trade or a Raisel Iglesias trade. We can throw Noah Syndergaard in the mix as well. Boring Mitch "f***ing" White has been well established.

 

For Rodon, no. Rodon is nasty and would have given us a very dirty top 3 that could have gone head to head with anyone. Thor is arguably worse than Mitch White.

[THANOS]

I guess the real question is. Would people be this upset if Frasso was traded in a Carlos Rodon trade or a Raisel Iglesias trade. We can throw Noah Syndergaard in the mix as well. Boring Mitch "f***ing" White has been well established.

 

I'd be a lot less upset if Frasso+ landed us Thor & Iglesias. I'd still be disappointed, but this trade is kind of wack.

[Pendleton]

That's fine, I like Frasso too.

 

But this front office sees these guys day-in and day-out. Frasso is old, has been injured, and hasn't pitched above A-ball.

 

Perhaps they see something underlying and see this as a sell-high situation?

 

The thing that should give you confidence is that they have been absurdly reluctant to trade away their "high impact" prospects. I don't think they're trading this kid away for Mich White if they thought he was that type of prospect.

 

That's the part people have to remember, no one has more info on this guy than the team that just traded him.

 

It's not uncommon at all for an older prospect to dominate A ball and then slam into a wall when they reach the upper minors. Frasso may not see AA until his age 24/25 season, we'll see how it goes.

 

White can be a good RP and decent depth SP today, and has years of control. He may not represent Frasso's ceiling but he's also so very far above Frasso's realistic probable outlook.

[Deadpool]

A high reliever priority with a high 90's fastball and swing and miss stuff. You know like exactly what the Jays need right now? That kind of probability?

 

Are you suggesting that they should have moved Frasso from A ball to the MLB pen? I wanted to hang on to him too, but he definitely is not "exactly what the Jays need right now".

[Terminator]

How about instead of reading his Fangraphs FV, you look at the results he's putting up on his FG page and read up on his stuff?

 

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two. This is not Kendall Williams.

 

23 year old relievers dominating A-ball aren't uncommon at all. The Yankees just traded three of them for a half season of Benitendi and the board reaction was meh all around. But we trade one with both injury and reliever risk and you want to fire the FO lol.

 

Mitch White isn't a nobody either. He's got a 3.58 ERA in 105 career innings, most of which comes as a starter. He's also in his prime and has 5 years of control left. Frasso is a prospect and MAYBE he out-WARs White over the course of their careers, but White can help now and Frasso can't.

[InsideThePark]

I'd be a lot less upset if Frasso+ landed us Thor & Iglesias. I'd still be disappointed, but this trade is kind of wack.

 

Thor + Iglesias had negative value because of Iglesias' s***** contract. I'd be a lot more upset if they did that TBH. Next year they'd still have the same s***** contract, no Frasso, no Thor and have to go trade Zulueta this time for another rental starter

[metafour]

I have. I have watched 2-3 starts on the MILB app, and he had control of 3-4 pitches (Sinker, 4SM, CH & CV) and got whiffs.

 

I didn't see any reliever risk in the starts I watched.

 

He could have looked terrible in the other starts, sure, but the FG page doesn't reflect that. Instead, he looks like a guy who could easily be dominating AA right now and maybe AAA.

 

Do you believe that the Jays haven't seen Frasso? They don't know his FG stats lol?

 

For a team that has been extremely selective with which prospects they move out, you think they saw Frasso as a guy who could be dominating AAA today?

[Dagagad]

I like this trade honestly. Controllable starting pitching is expensive.

 

It just shows how good the dodgers are too. They know they can always make more whites, and Frasso represents more upside.

 

I don’t really understand the rationale that this means the FO is down on Frasso. They had to give something good up to get this done.

[Terminator]

I'd be a lot less upset if Frasso+ landed us Thor & Iglesias. I'd still be disappointed, but this trade is kind of wack.

 

But White is a better asset than Thor (impending FA) and Iglesias (expensive as hell) combined.

[Laika]

I have. I have watched 2-3 starts on the MILB app, and he had control of 3-4 pitches (Sinker, 4SM, CH & CV) and got whiffs.

 

I didn't see any reliever risk in the starts I watched.

 

He could have looked terrible in the other starts, sure, but the FG page doesn't reflect that. Instead, he looks like a guy who could easily be dominating AA right now and maybe AAA.

 

I saw a limby guy who didn't have consistent mechanics or amazing command but could throw a fastball up which minor leaguers couldn't touch

 

I don't think he's been tested but might be a bit of a one trick pony that won't live higher up, as a starter

[Laika]

Now that he's gone go look up Nick Frassos basketball highlight reels

[THANOS]

23 year old relievers dominating A-ball aren't uncommon at all. The Yankees just traded three of them for a half season of Benitendi and the board reaction was meh all around. But we trade one with both injury and reliever risk and you want to fire the FO lol.

 

Mitch White isn't a nobody either. He's got a 3.58 ERA in 105 career innings, most of which comes as a starter. He's also in his prime and has 5 years of control left. Frasso is a prospect and MAYBE he out-WARs White over the course of their careers, but White can help now and Frasso can't.

 

Do you believe that the Jays haven't seen Frasso? They don't know his FG stats lol?

 

For a team that has been extremely selective with which prospects they move out, you think they saw Frasso as a guy who could be dominating AAA today?

 

We'll see. If the Dodgers start him in AA and he continues his dominance, watch and see where he ends up on Top 100 lists. I won't be surprised, is all I'm saying. I've watched a few of his starts. He's not tossing hittable pitches or balls and getting whiffs because LOL Single A sucks. He's got control and some pitchability along with the stuff.

 

Thor + Iglesias had negative value because of Iglesias' s***** contract. I'd be a lot more upset if they did that TBH. Next year they'd still have the same s***** contract, no Frasso, no Thor and have to go trade Zulueta this time for another rental starter

 

Iglesias has a s*** contract, pending he is what he is this season. I'm not convinced of that.

 

That said, I'd still be upset, but at least Iglesias has no issue missing bats. The same can't be said for White.