Fire John Schneider

[Brownie19]

Something Ive been thinking about, it is kind of weird they havent confirmed him as the new manager yet. Maybe theyre waiting until the post-season is over but usually the interim managers are confirmed or fired pretty quick towards the end of the season.

 

Wouldnt it be kind of awkward to have plans not to retain Schneider as the bench boss but want to keep him around for the same role he was in last year under Montoyo?

 

I can't imagine this is an option.

[Laika]

Something Ive been thinking about, it is kind of weird they havent confirmed him as the new manager yet. Maybe theyre waiting until the post-season is over but usually the interim managers are confirmed or fired pretty quick towards the end of the season.

 

Wouldnt it be kind of awkward to have plans not to retain Schneider as the bench boss but want to keep him around for the same role he was in last year under Montoyo?

 

Ross might as well have confirmed him. He literally said "we haven't started the process but I don't think we can do any better than him"

 

I think they are jaded from the Montoyo search/interview process and they will just have Schneider a full year in 2023. Unless a great manager falls into their lap in November or something.

[John_Havok]

Ross might as well have confirmed him. He literally said "we haven't started the process but I don't think we can do any better than him"

 

I think they are jaded from the Montoyo search/interview process and they will just have Schneider a full year in 2023. Unless a great manager falls into their lap in November or something.

 

Yeha, maybe im reading too much into it but Philly already confirmed their interim, and usually if an interim manager sucks, they just let him go at the end of the season and move on right away. I can't imagine they aren't happy with his record after his taking over the role - last game moves notwithstading.

[Laika]

Yeha, maybe im reading too much into it but Philly already confirmed their interim, and usually if an interim manager sucks, they just let him go at the end of the season and move on right away. I can't imagine they aren't happy with his record after his taking over the role - last game moves notwithstading.

 

They will make JS sweat and use his s***** tactical performance in the final game as leverage to get him to do exactly what they want next year

[John_Havok]

They will make JS sweat and use his s***** tactical performance in the final game as leverage to get him to do exactly what they want next year

 

Atkins: John, what would you do differently in WC Game 2?

JS: I wouldnt use the shittiest OF defender that you guys forced me to roster all season as a defensive replacement and probably not put in a lefty to flip around a switch hitter to his better side which would probably have been foloowed by another RH PH who also destroys lefties.

Atkins. Good enough. And also f*** you for the Tapia dig.

JS: f*** you too..... sir.

[Brownie19]

Atkins: John, what would you do differently in WC Game 2?

JS: I wouldnt use the shittiest OF defender that you guys forced me to roster all season as a defensive replacement and probably not put in a lefty to flip around a switch hitter to his better side which would probably have been foloowed by another RH PH who also destroys lefties.

Atkins. Good enough. And also f*** you for the Tapia dig.

JS: f*** you too..... sir.

 

I mean - he could have used JBJ instead of Tapia as a defensive replacement. He had a much better defender available to him, so I think that one's on JS.

[Stangstag]

I mean - he could have used JBJ instead of Tapia as a defensive replacement. He had a much better defender available to him, so I think that one's on JS.

 

Schneider confirmed racist

[John_Havok]

I mean - he could have used JBJ instead of Tapia as a defensive replacement. He had a much better defender available to him, so I think that one's on JS.

 

Clearly the wrong choice of course, but he was clearly the wrong choice all bloody season. Kinda leads me to believe that JS decision making mindset had been formed by continuous pressure from the boys upstairs all season long and had he done something other than put Tapia in, he would be forced to explain himself.

 

Conjecture on my part of course, but how else is using Tapia as much as he was all season long explained when it's obvious to anyone with eyes that he sucks defensively?

[Brownie19]

Clearly the wrong choice of course, but he was clearly the wrong choice all bloody season. Kinda leads me to believe that JS decision making mindset had been formed by continuous pressure from the boys upstairs all season long and had he done something other than put Tapia in, he would be forced to explain himself.

 

Conjecture on my part of course, but how else is using Tapia as much as he was all season long explained when it's obvious to anyone with eyes that he sucks defensively?

 

I don't recall Tapia being put in as a defensive replacement regularly during the season (perhaps I'm mis-remembering).

 

I agree he got too many starts and PA's, but that's on Atkins as there weren't really any options available. And to be fair, he did have stretches were he was really productive with the bat (June/July the most obvious), which obviously earned him some of that playing time (where you could deal with the fact his defense sucked).

[Terminator]

Something Ive been thinking about, it is kind of weird they havent confirmed him as the new manager yet. Maybe theyre waiting until the post-season is over but usually the interim managers are confirmed or fired pretty quick towards the end of the season.

 

Wouldnt it be kind of awkward to have plans not to retain Schneider as the bench boss but want to keep him around for the same role he was in last year under Montoyo?

 

They probably hired a consultant group who is conducting polling on season ticket holders to see how pissed off they are at Schneider and if it will affect their decision to renew or not. Once they get the results they’ll make a decision.

[wilko]

How much of that game is Schneider's fault or the analytic nerds upstairs?

[Terminator]

How much of that game is Schneider's fault or the analytic nerds upstairs?

 

It’s a good question. I’m sure they discussed Mayza vs Santana.

[wilko]

It’s a good question. I’m sure they discussed Mayza vs Santana.

 

Or taking Gassman out? Making sure Tapia plays just about every game? Getting Robbie Ray to pitch the 9th? Wrong team sorry.

[jaysblue]

Since JS took over, the Jays went 46-28 good for a .622 W-L%. If the Jays made the ALDS and played some good baseball in the Postseason, without question he would be brought back. Game 2 of the Wildcard though really screwed him IMO, though not sure its enough to let him go. I'm sure the FO will see if any better options become available and if not, he likely is back in 2023 with a very short leash.

[Krylian]

Since JS took over, the Jays went 46-28 good for a .622 W-L%. If the Jays made the ALDS and played some good baseball in the Postseason, without question he would be brought back. Game 2 of the Wildcard though really screwed him IMO, though not sure its enough to let him go. I'm sure the FO will see if any better options become available and if not, he likely is back in 2023 with a very short leash.

 

[Terminator]

Since JS took over, the Jays went 46-28 good for a .622 W-L%. If the Jays made the ALDS and played some good baseball in the Postseason, without question he would be brought back. Game 2 of the Wildcard though really screwed him IMO, though not sure its enough to let him go. I'm sure the FO will see if any better options become available and if not, he likely is back in 2023 with a very short leash.

 

I don't care what he does short of winning a World Series. I will never forgive Schneider for his Game 2 performance.

[jaysblue]

I don't care what he does short of winning a World Series. I will never forgive Schneider for his Game 2 performance.

 

Yeah same here deep down inside. One of the worst, if not the worst managed baseball game I witnessed.

[Jimcanuck]

Something Ive been thinking about, it is kind of weird they havent confirmed him as the new manager yet. Maybe theyre waiting until the post-season is over but usually the interim managers are confirmed or fired pretty quick towards the end of the season.

 

Wouldnt it be kind of awkward to have plans not to retain Schneider as the bench boss but want to keep him around for the same role he was in last year under Montoyo?

 

Not awkward if the new manager is Gibby

 

3rd times the charm, get'er done Atkins

[Solaxys]

I don't get it man. Dude made some amazing clutch moves in the regular season.

 

He also saw what happens to Mayza when he faces righty sluggers, first hand, when he faced Judge like a week ago.

Even when he made excellent pitches, Judge saw every one of them and sat on them until he made a mistake.

 

What led him to put him in against Santana... its like a Mariner demon possessed him or some s***; unreal.

[Brownie19]

I don't get it man. Dude made some amazing clutch moves in the regular season.

 

He also saw what happens to Mayza when he faces righty sluggers, first hand, when he faced Judge like a week ago.

Even when he made excellent pitches, Judge saw every one of them and sat on them until he made a mistake.

 

What led him to put him in against Santana... its like a Mariner demon possessed him or some s***; unreal.

 

The reality is managers make good and poor decisions regularly. Sometimes they aren't exposed because of various factors and other times they are. If Mayza gets Santana out, the Jays win and post game, JS says they felt Santana could do more 'major' damage hitting left handed, but were OK giving up a run or 2 in that situation (given they were up 8-1) then people would have nodded and said - oh yeah, good call - what a smart guy this JS is.

 

But of course, the absolute worse f***ing outcome possible happened (which probably had what, a 5% chance of happening?) and now we're all here complaining that it was the stupidest decision ever made, even though Mayza probably gets Santana out (let alone he gives up a hit) in that situation, what, 75% of the time?

 

Here's another example - JS starts Espinal in Game 2. If Espinal goes 0-4 with that error, we should all be questioning why the f*** he started a slap dick hitter coming off the DL in an elimination game when he didn't get 1 rep at the major league level before returning. But of course Espinal goes 2-4 so absolutely nobody is questioning that move right now (nor giving him any credit for that ballsy move).

 

And god knows if the left Merrifield in LF and he didn't get to that fly ball down the line (that Tapia didn't get to either) then people are complaining he didn't put JBJ in the game for defense.

 

That's the world a manager lives in.

[Jimcanuck]

And it was discussed on this board that in the PS, everything is magnified. Schneider makes those moves in the regular season, there's a few days of complaining and forgotten in a few weeks.

 

Regardless, the impact of making mistakes is higher in the short series of the PS, and Schneider made mistakes, big ones.

[jaysblue]

And it was discussed on this board that in the PS, everything is magnified. Schneider makes those moves in the regular season, there's a few days of complaining and forgotten in a few weeks.

 

Regardless, the impact of making mistakes is higher in the short series of the PS, and Schneider made mistakes, big ones.

 

If it was during the regular season and in April, the excuse would be "It's still early and there are still so many games to be played etc."

 

Schneider is never going to be perfect. No manager is ever going to be perfect.

 

I agree things get magnified in a short Postseason game, especially in a do-or-die game like Game 2 for the Blue Jays. Though Schneider did mess up big time and his decisions did hurt the Blue Jays when all is said and done. No excuses.

[Brownie19]

If it was during the regular season and in April, the excuse would be "It's still early and there are still so many games to be played etc."

 

Schneider is never going to be perfect. No manager is ever going to be perfect.

 

I agree things get magnified in a short Postseason game, especially in a do-or-die game like Game 2 for the Blue Jays. Though Schneider did mess up big time and his decisions did hurt the Blue Jays when all is said and done. No excuses.

 

I'm curious. If he left Gausman in - and Gausman gave up a grand slam to Santana, would most on this board support JS and simply suggest that it was Gausman who didn't execute? or would we rip him for not bringing in Garcia or Bass or another RHP in that situation?

[bluejaysinternNo5]

I'm curious. If he left Gausman in - and Gausman gave up a grand slam to Santana, would most on this board support JS and simply suggest that it was Gausman who didn't execute? or would we rip him for not bringing in Garcia or Bass or another RHP in that situation?

 

Maybe this is just hindsight speaking, but I don't think I would be as upset if Gausman gave up the home run. He was at what, 94 pitches? He had just gotten two big outs and was amped up. He's your 110 million dollar off-season acquisition and an argument can be made that he is the best overall pitcher on the team. If he gives up the home run, so be it - then they beat your best shot. Instead they beat a pretty mediocre pen arm thrown into a bad situation.

[Brownie19]

Maybe this is just hindsight speaking, but I don't think I would be as upset if Gausman gave up the home run. He was at what, 94 pitches? He had just gotten two big outs and was amped up. He's your 110 million dollar off-season acquisition and an argument can be made that he is the best overall pitcher on the team. If he gives up the home run, so be it - then they beat your best shot. Instead they beat a pretty mediocre pen arm thrown into a bad situation.

 

That's fair - however, I suspect that wouldn't be the universal reaction and people would be nick picking it right now. That's what fans do.

[Terminator]

 

But of course, the absolute worse f***ing outcome possible happened (which probably had what, a 5% chance of happening?) and now we're all here complaining that it was the stupidest decision ever made, even though Mayza probably gets Santana out (let alone he gives up a hit) in that situation, what, 75% of the time?

 

Santana crushes lefties and has throughout his career. Mayza probably gets him out only 60% of the time. Mayza has also been worse on 0 days rest through this career. After Santana it was obvious that Dylan Moore would come in to pinch hit and he crushes lefties too. Schneider is a dipshit, the only thing I don’t know is if Atkins told him that Mayza-Santana was a matchup that they liked.

[jaysblue]

I'm curious. If he left Gausman in - and Gausman gave up a grand slam to Santana, would most on this board support JS and simply suggest that it was Gausman who didn't execute? or would we rip him for not bringing in Garcia or Bass or another RHP in that situation?

 

I had no problem leaving Gausman in personally. I didn't even expect him to get pulled, so when I saw Schneider walking out I was really surprised. I saw he got those two outs and looked like he settled back in. He's your ace, making over $100 million, at 94 pitches into the 6th inning, with an 8-1 lead. As well with a Game 3 looming, didn't you want to save some arms in your pen rather than use them all in Game 2? I think it made sense to roll with Gausman given the situation and a possible Game 3 to played the next day.

 

Sure, we know some fans will question any move and blame anyone. If Gausman gave up a grand slam, I would have been like damn, so be it. It's still an 8-5 game, now you can roll with the pen. I still wouldn't have had a problem with Schneider leaving him in given that situation. If this was in the 7th or 8th inning and he was well over 100 pitches, then different story, especially if it's a closer score like 4-1 or 2-1 etc. I think Schneider was overthinking when he really didn't need to at that moment.

[Brownie19]

Santana crushes lefties and has throughout his career. Mayza probably gets him out only 60% of the time. Mayza has also been worse on 0 days rest through this career. After Santana it was obvious that Dylan Moore would come in to pinch hit and he crushes lefties too. Schneider is a dipshit, the only thing I don’t know is if Atkins told him that Mayza-Santana was a matchup that they liked.

 

That's fair - I was thinking average in my head when I wrote 75%, but yes, it's probably only 60% of the time when you consider OBP.

[Brownie19]

I had no problem leaving Gausman in personally. I didn't even expect him to get pulled, so when I saw Schneider walking out I was really surprised. I saw he got those two outs and looked like he settled back in. He's your ace, making over $100 million, at 94 pitches into the 6th inning, with an 8-1 lead. As well with a Game 3 looming, didn't you want to save some arms in your pen rather than use them all in Game 2? I think it made sense to roll with Gausman given the situation and a possible Game 3 to played the next day.

 

Sure, we know some fans will question any move and blame anyone. If Gausman gave up a grand slam, I would have been like damn, so be it. It's still an 8-5 game, now you can roll with the pen. I still wouldn't have had a problem with Schneider leaving him in given that situation. If this was in the 7th or 8th inning and he was well over 100 pitches, then different story, especially if it's a closer score like 4-1 or 2-1 etc. I think Schneider was overthinking when he really didn't need to at that moment.

 

That's fair - I'm just curious. I'd agree with you.

[Stangstag]

Santana crushes lefties and has throughout his career. Mayza probably gets him out only 60% of the time. Mayza has also been worse on 0 days rest through this career. After Santana it was obvious that Dylan Moore would come in to pinch hit and he crushes lefties too. Schneider is a dipshit, the only thing I don’t know is if Atkins told him that Mayza-Santana was a matchup that they liked.

 

Almost seems like this is the answer no? Which is kinda scary to think about…