2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[Brownie19]

Would you guys give up a fringe prospect or two to take on Raisel Iglesias' entire contract?

 

Man - that's an interesting question. $14.5M AAV and you own him until 2025. He's 32 this year, so we have him through his age 35 season. He's certainly fill an immediate need for us and wouldn't cost much in terms of prospect capital. Lots of risk though. I'd vote yes.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yes, I was hoping they would have signed Iglesias when he was free agent.

 

Who knows, maybe they tried and he didn't want to come to TO, or can't....

[Brownie19]

I said 2-4 BP arms, depending on what we do with SPs. If one, of those guys regresses or gets injured we have zero depth except for Kickuchi.. and then you have 3 SPs for 45% of the season remaining. Berrios has been hit or miss, Stripling SSS.... We need more depth... When I say 2 SPs I am talking about a Luis Castillo and maybe a Chad Kuhl etc... I would have really liked Cody Poteet as a 5th SP swing man, but he just went on the 6o day IL... But if you think we have enough SP depth, you have not been following baseball long enough..

 

If we get a guy like a Poteet, (obviously not him) then we don't need 4 BP arms, but if we only get 1 SP, then I do think we need an infusion of set up types, and upgrade middle/long relief.... We won't be playing the AAAA Royals and the Bad news Bears Red Sox down the stretch..

 

I've been following baseball long enough thanks. Long enough to know we aren't going to trade for 4 relivers at the deadline. A Luis Castillo trade would be incredible and I have no trouble adding some type of swing man or a marginal starter with options that we can stash in AAA to add depth to the rotation, but after that, it's an elite bullpen arm we need. It's not depth.

[Carlos Danger]

I've been following baseball long enough thanks. Long enough to know we aren't going to trade for 4 relivers at the deadline. A Luis Castillo trade would be incredible and I have no trouble adding some type of swing man or a marginal starter with options that we can stash in AAA to add depth to the rotation, but after that, it's an elite bullpen arm we need. It's not depth.

 

Again, I said up to 4 RPs all depending what we do with SPs... I made it clear I am not saying 2 Sps and 4 RPs it depends one on or the other and the types of RPs and SPs..

 

We need to make the playoffs before we can start talking about playoff rotations and only needing 4 SPs.. There is still 45% of the season left. You can never have to much depth. I can name really solid depth guys in AAA or waiting to come off the IL for the Yankees, Marlin's, Mets as examples.. We don't have that... We have nothing waiting in the wings for SP or RP... We still need more depth..

[BlueJaysFever]

If there’s a longer term option out there for the pen, like say Greg Soto I’d be down with that. Otherwise Robertson or Bard would be solid. I’d also love to add Castillo, Montas, or Rodon(if available) but would settle for Quintana.

[glory]

I could see the Jays trading for Lou Trivino. Excellent K rate but walks too many, high ERA, and unsustainably high BABIP (.471) and HR/FB rate (20.8%) despite no difference in velocity. Atkins seems to like trading for those types at the deadline (buy low). I could see that being one of the moves.

 

I tend to agree they'll probably stand pat offensively. Biggio being back to his normal self is a big development, and Tapia not being ass offensively likely gives them less motivation to add an upgrade there. Zimmer is basically what Jarrod Dyson was for the team last season. I don't think they'll try to upgrade there. As mentioned, Zimmer is probably grateful he has a job right now so he's not going to complain about being a pinch runner and defensive replacement.

 

I think every deadline pickup is going to come from the pitching side. One of Castillo or Montas seems like the type of move Atkins would make, but Castillo is going to have a lot of suitors. Montas' value might have taken a hit with his injury.

[max silver]

Again, I said up to 4 RPs all depending what we do with SPs... I made it clear I am not saying 2 Sps and 4 RPs it depends one on or the other and the types of RPs and SPs..

 

We need to make the playoffs before we can start talking about playoff rotations and only needing 4 SPs.. There is still 45% of the season left. You can never have to much depth. I can name really solid depth guys in AAA or waiting to come off the IL for the Yankees, Marlin's, Mets as examples.. We don't have that... We have nothing waiting in the wings for SP or RP... We still need more depth..

 

Why would the club need add 4 bullpen arms? With the 13 man pitching roster limit that limits the bullpen to 8 arms total assuming you are running a 5 man rotation. The club has 4 effective/dependable arms who should be in no risk of demotion off of the roster in Romano, Garcia, Cimber, and Phelps. Mayza has been a little up and down this season but barring total collapse he should be a lock for another one of the spots. I would assume the club wants to leave a potential spot open for Pearson if he's able to return this season. That leaves two remaining open spots for outside additions.

[jaysblue]

Am I the only one that still has faith in Kikuchi? I'd rather go after an elite reliever (or two!), I mean you only need a 4 man rotation in the playoffs anyway

 

Turn Kikuchi into a reliever.

[max silver]

I could see the Jays trading for Lou Trivino. Excellent K rate but walks too many, high ERA, and unsustainably high BABIP (.471) and HR/FB rate (20.8%) despite no difference in velocity. Atkins seems to like trading for those types at the deadline (buy low). I could see that being one of the moves.

 

I tend to agree they'll probably stand pat offensively. Biggio being back to his normal self is a big development, and Tapia not being ass offensively likely gives them less motivation to add an upgrade there. Zimmer is basically what Jarrod Dyson was for the team last season. I don't think they'll try to upgrade there. As mentioned, Zimmer is probably grateful he has a job right now so he's not going to complain about being a pinch runner and defensive replacement.

 

I think every deadline pickup is going to come from the pitching side. One of Castillo or Montas seems like the type of move Atkins would make, but Castillo is going to have a lot of suitors. Montas' value might have taken a hit with his injury.

 

I don't think the club should be rolling the dice on reclamation type relievers this trade deadline as the stakes are too high this season. If the team misses the playoffs again despite being in the middle of their playoff window Atkins very well may find himself on the hot seat in the offseason.

 

While Trivino's ERA is unsustainably high this season xERA and FIP still paint a picture of a decidedly mediocre bullpen arm bordering on replacement level.

[Brownie19]

If there’s a longer term option out there for the pen, like say Greg Soto I’d be down with that. Otherwise Robertson or Bard would be solid. I’d also love to add Castillo, Montas, or Rodon(if available) but would settle for Quintana.

 

Joe Jimenez would be a great target. We'd have him for this year and next. He comes with risk as his track record is sketchy, but something certainly seems to have clicked this year. Add Joe Jimenez and Raisel Iglesias and the bullpen would be set without gutting the farm.

[Carlos Danger]

Why would the club need add 4 bullpen arms? With the 13 man pitching roster limit that limits the bullpen to 8 arms total assuming you are running a 5 man rotation. The club has 4 effective/dependable arms who should be in no risk of demotion off of the roster in Romano, Garcia, Cimber, and Phelps. Mayza has been a little up and down this season but barring total collapse he should be a lock for another one of the spots. I would assume the club wants to leave a potential spot open for Pearson if he's able to return this season. That leaves two remaining open spots for outside additions.

 

IF we went as high as 4 it would be a combo of upgrades to current RPs, late inning guys and a 5th SP, long relief type guy or spot starter SP/RP like a Sears (Yankees) Poteet (Marlins).

 

I am NOT ok with what we have in totality in the pen. We need to upgrade in multiple spots.. It is not add 4 to what we have. We have the same pen we had a few weeks ago... We just have some recency bias since we have been winning.... I do not want to go to war with what we have now and want to upgrade by some combo of SPs/RPs, or IF we can't make it work with SPs, then go the KC Royals route cerca 2015 and have a lockdown pen from the 5th inning on and you only need to get 4 ips out of your starters...

[glory]

I don't think the club should be rolling the dice on reclamation type relievers this trade deadline as the stakes are too high this season. If the team misses the playoffs again despite being in the middle of their playoff window Atkins very well may find himself on the hot seat in the offseason.

 

While Trivino's ERA is unsustainably high this season xERA and FIP still paint a picture of a decidedly mediocre bullpen arm bordering on replacement level.

 

When trying to predict an Atkins deadline pickup I usually just look at K% and no change in velocity with everything else being underwhelming. Trivino was the first guy I saw. Although heightened expectations and/or fear of job security could impact his thinking, as we saw with Berrios last trade deadline. I still think he goes for at least one buy low reliever, whether Trivino or someone else. I agree the Jays need a better reliever than that though, preferably someone as good or better than Romano.

[jaysblue]

Target Jose Quintana, Carlos Rodon or Luis Castillo. Adding one of them with Gaus, Manoah, Berrios, and Stripling definitely solidifies the rotation. Gives the Blue Jays enough depth for the rest of the season in case of an injury and a dangerous rotation in a short Postseason series.

 

Acquire at least 2 to 3 bullpen arms with high K rates and/or late inning experience. Some interesting names include:

 

Scott Barlow

Daniel Bard

David Robertson

Mychal Givens

Matt Bush

Matt Moore

Dominic Leone

Carl Edwards Jr

 

A lot more RP arms available as well.

[jaysblue]

When trying to predict an Atkins deadline pickup I usually just look at K% and no change in velocity with everything else being underwhelming. Trivino was the first guy I saw. Although heightened expectations and/or fear of job security could impact his thinking, as we saw with Berrios last trade deadline. I still think he goes for at least one buy low reliever, whether Trivino or someone else. I agree the Jays need a better reliever than that though, preferably someone as good or better than Romano.

 

Mark Melancon comes to mind as well haha. Though I hope not!

[jaysblue]

I don't think the club should be rolling the dice on reclamation type relievers this trade deadline as the stakes are too high this season. If the team misses the playoffs again despite being in the middle of their playoff window Atkins very well may find himself on the hot seat in the offseason.

 

While Trivino's ERA is unsustainably high this season xERA and FIP still paint a picture of a decidedly mediocre bullpen arm bordering on replacement level.

 

I agree as well, though if the Blue Jays add two elite relievers already, I don't mind them rolling the dice on a guy as that third or fourth bullpen piece. Look in 2016 when the Blue Jays acquired Jason Grilli from Atlanta. His ERA was 5.29 and had a 1,71 WHIP. Once he was traded to Toronto, he was lights out and one of the Jays most dominant relievers (58K's in 42 innings with a 1.12 WHIP). I don't mind the Jays targeting a guy who is struggling currently with previous success and high K rates. Sometimes all they need is a change of scenery.

[max silver]

I agree as well, though if the Blue Jays add two elite relievers already, I don't mind them rolling the dice on a guy as that third or fourth bullpen piece. Look in 2016 when the Blue Jays acquired Jason Grilli from Atlanta. His ERA was 5.29 and had a 1,71 WHIP. Once he was traded to Toronto, he was lights out and one of the Jays most dominant relievers (58K's in 42 innings with a 1.12 WHIP). I don't mind the Jays targeting a guy who is struggling currently with previous success and high K rates. Sometimes all they need is a change of scenery.

 

If two shutdown relievers are added I really don't see any relievers already on the MLB roster deserve to be removed from the roster to make way for a Trivino addition. There will still be a need for a long man on the roster, and the club has 4 relievers who have been quite good for the season as a whole. The team can't afford another Brad Hand type situation where a reliever with serious performance related question marks is brought in an ends up pissing away several potential victories during his time with the club.

[max silver]

Turn Kikuchi into a reliever.

 

This seems like a potential recipe for disaster. If Kikuchi can't improve his command to the point where he can reliably throw strikes he provides no more utility out of the pen than he does as a starter.

[jaysblue]

IF we went as high as 4 it would be a combo of upgrades to current RPs, late inning guys and a 5th SP, long relief type guy or spot starter SP/RP like a Sears (Yankees) Poteet (Marlins).

 

I am NOT ok with what we have in totality in the pen. We need to upgrade in multiple spots.. It is not add 4 to what we have. We have the same pen we had a few weeks ago... We just have some recency bias since we have been winning.... I do not want to go to war with what we have now and want to upgrade by some combo of SPs/RPs, or IF we can't make it work with SPs, then go the KC Royals route cerca 2015 and have a lockdown pen from the 5th inning on and you only need to get 4 ips out of your starters...

 

The Jays likely won't have a lockdown KC Royals 2015 pen. Trading for one right now as well would be extremely expensive. Even if the Jays added two of Bard, Barlow or Roberston, which is highly unlikely, they wouldn't even come close to having a bullpen like KC in 2015. The Jays need their starters to go at least 6 innings in the Postseason.

[BlueJaysFever]

This seems like a potential recipe for disaster. If Kikuchi can't improve his command to the point where he can reliably throw strikes he provides no more utility out of the pen than he does as a starter.

Further, Kikuchi’s worst innings by OPS are his 1st innings. If he’s in the pen I’d expect it to be for mop up duty only

[Laika]

Would you guys give up a fringe prospect or two to take on Raisel Iglesias' entire contract?

 

No. Angels need to eat some money on it.

[Laika]

If there’s a longer term option out there for the pen, like say Greg Soto I’d be down with that. Otherwise Robertson or Bard would be solid. I’d also love to add Castillo, Montas, or Rodon(if available) but would settle for Quintana.

 

Robertson and Bard aren't good enough IMO. The type of guys that come in and disappoint, I think.

[jaysblue]

If two shutdown relievers are added I really don't see any relievers already on the MLB roster deserve to be removed from the roster to make way for a Trivino addition. There will still be a need for a long man on the roster, and the club has 4 relievers who have been quite good for the season as a whole. The team can't afford another Brad Hand type situation where a reliever with serious performance related question marks is brought in an ends up pissing away several potential victories during his time with the club.

 

I agree, though there is still two months of the season to be played and injuries do happen. Having depth in the bullpen is important as well. A lot of posters now are forgetting the months of April and May when the Jays were losing guys to the IL and had no depth behind him. Everyone on here was complaining they wanted a stronger bench and better arms etc. Funny how things change since the Jays just swept the Red Sox and the entire lineup is healthy now, most posters think everything is perfect and the 25-man roster will be healthy all the way through October. Doesn't work that way.

 

All I said was Jason Grilli is an example of a BP arm who struggled before the Jays acquired him and he turned out to be the most dominant Jays reliever down the stretch. I'm not saying Trevino will be that guy, could be someone else, though I have no problem adding Trevino or someone else with some upside as a 3rd bullpen piece if he's available for cheap.

[Daniel Labude]

Target Jose Quintana, Carlos Rodon or Luis Castillo. Adding one of them with Gaus, Manoah, Berrios, and Stripling definitely solidifies the rotation. Gives the Blue Jays enough depth for the rest of the season in case of an injury and a dangerous rotation in a short Postseason series.

 

Acquire at least 2 to 3 bullpen arms with high K rates and/or late inning experience. Some interesting names include:

 

Scott Barlow

Daniel Bard

David Robertson

Mychal Givens

Matt Bush

Matt Moore

Dominic Leone

Carl Edwards Jr

 

A lot more RP arms available as well.

 

I think Syndergaard will be the SP target

[jaysblue]

This seems like a potential recipe for disaster. If Kikuchi can't improve his command to the point where he can reliably throw strikes he provides no more utility out of the pen than he does as a starter.

 

I was only joking, though yeah if the Jays added another starter, Kikuchi likely moves to the bullpen as a long reliever/mop up duty arm or an extra starter when needed.

[jaysblue]

Robertson and Bard aren't good enough IMO. The type of guys that come in and disappoint, I think.

 

Yeah I don't trust them either and both of them likely will be expensive. I could see Bard once changing roles or coming to a different team not being as dominant as he was. Would prefer Robertson if I had a choice between the two, though not crazy about the both of them. They both could come in and be dumpster fires over the final two months.

[BigCecil]

The Jays likely won't have a lockdown KC Royals 2015 pen. Trading for one right now as well would be extremely expensive. Even if the Jays added two of Bard, Barlow or Roberston, which is highly unlikely, they wouldn't even come close to having a bullpen like KC in 2015. The Jays need their starters to go at least 6 innings in the Postseason.

 

We won't. Even if we add 2 arms. But it will help a lot. We have good SP if it all shows up. Seems like since 2014 WS when Herrera emerged, along with others, the teams going deep in the playoffs have all ridden hot pens with a large degree of filth. SF used a starter in part, who was hot, in that role in '14. Who has gone deep without that kind of pen since? Honest question. I can't remember one.

[Laika]

Aaron Loup and Joe Kelly - I wonder if Toronto can get them by just eating the full contract.

[Laika]

Yeah I don't trust them either and both of them likely will be expensive. I could see Bard once changing roles or coming to a different team not being as dominant as he was. Would prefer Robertson if I had a choice between the two, though not crazy about the both of them. They both could come in and be dumpster fires over the final two months.

 

I mean they would be FINE as like, 4th best RP out of the pen but the thought of spending prospects on them makes me cringe a bit.

[jaysblue]

Speaking of starting pitching, what about Merrill Kelly from Arizona? He's having a nice season and is under club control until 2024 for $18 million (9M AAV) and a 2025 club option at $5.3M.

[Laika]

The problem with looking for closer types is if you sort projects by FIP or ERA, almost every single elite RP is already on a competitive team right now lmao.

 

The exceptions are guys like Bednar who will cost seven arms and your cock, or Iglesias who has a horrible contract.

 

So Toronto might need to be smart and make a sneaky good acquisition. Someone who has mediocre projections but has made an arsenal change this year and is actually elite now...