2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[Angrioter]

What do we want Laureano for?

 

Right handed hitting OF who has less fWAR and a lower wRC+ than Springer, Gurriel and Hernandez.

Great defender CF, with decent bat. Upgrade over Tapia and Zimmer. Springer DHing more time for injuries

[Carlos Danger]

What do we want Laureano for?

 

Right handed hitting OF who has less fWAR and a lower wRC+ than Springer, Gurriel and Hernandez.

 

He hasn’t played the whole year. He is starting to warm up. He would make our team better without a doubt in my mind. Don’t think he would be cheap though.

[Jonn]

We definitely don’t need another Outfield addition unless its Soto. I would be down for getting a power lefty bat for the bench. Otherwise the focus needs to be all pitching. Atleast one starter and 2 relievers should be the bare minimum. Maybe a defensive first backup catcher with Kirk and Jansen in the lineup otherwise. Collins is a massive waste not being able to hit or catch well.

[RustyTrombone]

I would be shocked if we acquire a position player tbh. With Tapia stepping up and Teo/Gurriel raking and Zimmer being perfectly fine as the 5th OF there just isn't a spot for another bat unless you are subtracting from the current position player group. I would bet we go all in for a significant rotation upgrade like Castillo/Montas and a couple good RPs. Maybe you upgrade from Collins?

[Jonn]

I would like to think Zimmer’s place on the team can end at any time. I’m sure if they felt they could promote someone better or upgrade the bench it would have been done. His defence and speed is kind of a placeholder.

[Ehjays]

The Jays biggest chip, Moreno, plays the same position as half the return for Trea Turner.

 

I doubt the Jays have the sheer prospect volume to get a trade done.

 

Dont forget they also got a catcher for Brad f***in Hand

[RustyTrombone]

I would like to think Zimmer’s place on the team can end at any time. I’m sure if they felt they could promote someone better or upgrade the bench it would have been done. His defence and speed is kind of a placeholder.

 

As the 5th OF he gets maybe 2 at bats a week. Is it really worth it to spend resources on replacing him when there will be basically not even a marginal difference? And hes probably one of those guys whos just happy to collect a big league paycheck and not cause any problems in the clubhouse. He knows his role and does it well IMO.

[Jays24]

As the 5th OF he gets maybe 2 at bats a week. Is it really worth it to spend resources on replacing him when there will be basically not even a marginal difference? And hes probably one of those guys whos just happy to collect a big league paycheck and not cause any problems in the clubhouse. He knows his role and does it well IMO.

 

I don't even want to see those 2 at bats a week. He might be the worst hitter I've seen in a Blue Jays uniform and that includes Josh Thole lol.

[BigCecil]

I don't think a left handed bat is that necessary.

 

For whoever we were to acquire, the barrier to crack the starting lineup is someone better than Gurriel/Hernandez in the OF or Kirk at DH. That's a damn good bat and would cost a lot. But if we aim lower and go for a bench bat, said bat needs to be better than Raimel Tapia or Cavan Biggio, both of whom are hitting better than league average.

 

Sure, if a superstar like Soto is involved I'm all ears but otherwise we need to use our bullets on pitching.

 

Generally agree but back end depth SP like Quintana, who can only help you if they are on every 5th day, has limited value.

 

The pen will play more often in the run and in the playoffs so for me they are the priority.

 

Would love Laureano as a 4th. Tapia will regress. He has been hot but chase rate will catch up to him. Even after a sustained heater his Savante page is still Tapia and his D is pretty brutal for a guy who needs to be able to go get it. So much fanfare over a lost fly ball GS ITP HR. Ramon would make Zimmer and Tapia both redundant except we lose a bit of speed off the bench in Zimmer.

 

Regardless. I'm still all in for Soto lol...there is nothing around the edges Atkins can do that would have more impact than him for 3 playoff pushes.

[saskjayfan]

I don't even want to see those 2 at bats a week. He might be the worst hitter I've seen in a Blue Jays uniform and that includes Josh Thole lol.

 

I'd be on the phone with the Giants. They are now .500 2.5 games back of a wild card. Zaidi is a smart GM. Rodon is a free agent at the end of this year. He's hit his innings limit so he can opt out of next year's option which he absolutely will. They are playing Arizona and the Cubs before the deadline. Games you need to win. They do their job and win they may be buyers. They stumble against those teams Rodon could be available.

[Laika]

I can't imagine the Giants selling. The deadline is in one week.

[max silver]

Groshans for Ramon Laureano

 

Baseballtradevalues lists Laureano's value at 45.5 million, which seems kind of crazy for me given how Laureano hasn't had a really good season since 2019. The guy has a hard time staying on the field due to a steady stream of injuries. The recent PED suspension isn't a great look either. For a guy with a stellar defensive reputation he's having a really rough season defensively in center field with -7 DRS/-3 OAA. Expending legitimate assets for a dude who may be experiencing a severe defensive decline is a risky proposition to say the least.

 

I can maybe get on board a bit with him as a Tapia replacement, but the club is already very heavy in right handed outfielders as it is.

[Laika]

Yeah they won't spend resources on Laureano and frankly it's hard to see any trades for position players happening unless a current bat is packing his bags.

 

As much as people hate Zimmer he's the kind of "final piece" that lots of playoff teams add and actually put on a playoff roster... ironically he's more useful in very meaningful games.

[Brownie19]

That's a really interesting potential trade target. I took a gander at baseballtradevalues and that site lists Robles's value at essentially nothing at 0.5 million. He would be a sizeable upgrade over Zimmer on the bases and provide a similar level of defense while also not being a complete black hole at the plate despite his deficiencies.

 

I don't think he's a sizable upgrade at all. Zimmer posted an 89 wRC+ last year with semi-regular playing time. Robles has been worse than that over the past 3 years. If he came here and got 2 at bats per week like Zimmer, there's a good chance he'd produce just as crappy as Zimmer is. As long as Zimmer doesn't complain about his role, he's doing a great job at it.

[Stangstag]

There’s been 0 moves yet, im bored

[Carlos Danger]

With all the pitching needs we have, I just don't see how we can check all the boxes without moving a position player.. Most likely someone like LGR jr.. Hence, the aquistion of someone like Laureno as a replacement. The A's might not match up with what the team is selling, i.e an SP with big $$ remaining... Hence use MLB pieces and eating $$ to obtain for us, replace loss for us via specs etc to someone like the A's..

[max silver]

I don't think he's a sizable upgrade at all. Zimmer posted an 89 wRC+ last year with semi-regular playing time. Robles has been worse than that over the past 3 years. If he came here and got 2 at bats per week like Zimmer, there's a good chance he'd produce just as crappy as Zimmer is. As long as Zimmer doesn't complain about his role, he's doing a great job at it.

 

Go back and read my post again, I stated that Robles would provide a sizeable upgrade on the bases. If and when Tapia is to turn back into a pumpkin or one of the regular outfielders misses time due to injury having a 5th outfielder who isn't a sub replacement player suddenly becomes much more important. Zimmer was forced to play a lot more than was desirable earlier in the season due to Springers schedule days off and Teo's oblique injury. Tapia was really struggling at the time as well which compounded the issue further. With Springer's spotty injury history it would be very easy to see Zimmer forced into action more frequently.

 

Neither of Zimmer or Robles has exactly been lighting the world on fire at the plate this season, but at the very least Robles puts the ball in play sufficiently to at least give himself a chance to get on base.

[max silver]

With all the pitching needs we have, I just don't see how we can check all the boxes without moving a position player.. Most likely someone like LGR jr.. Hence, the aquistion of someone like Laureno as a replacement. The A's might not match up with what the team is selling, i.e an SP with big $$ remaining... Hence use MLB pieces and eating $$ to obtain for us, replace loss for us via specs etc to someone like the A's..

 

What does the club really need pitching wise that necessitates moving pieces off of the MLB roster? I see the need for some bullpen reinforcements and a back of the rotation pitcher/swingman. The team has plenty of prospect capital to make these types of acquisitions. Swapping Gurriel for Laureano looks to be more of a sideways move in my view. If I'm not mistaken, Gurriel only has one remaining year of control so he wouldn't likely be of great interest to weaker/rebuilding clubs who are willing to move pitching out at the deadline.

[Brownie19]

Go back and read my post again, I stated that Robles would provide a sizeable upgrade on the bases. If and when Tapia is to turn back into a pumpkin or one of the regular outfielders misses time due to injury having a 5th outfielder who isn't a sub replacement player suddenly becomes much more important. Zimmer was forced to play a lot more than was desirable earlier in the season due to Springers schedule days off and Teo's oblique injury. Tapia was really struggling at the time as well which compounded the issue further. With Springer's spotty injury history it would be very easy to see Zimmer forced into action more frequently.

 

Neither of Zimmer or Robles has exactly been lighting the world on fire at the plate this season, but at the very least Robles puts the ball in play sufficiently to at least give himself a chance to get on base.

 

Robles f***ing sucks man. He doesn't get on base. Zimmer is in the 96th percentile for sprint speed, Robles - 86th. Robles may be more apt to steal a few more bases, but this isn't a massive upgrade.

[Carlos Danger]

What does the club really need pitching wise that necessitates moving pieces off of the MLB roster? I see the need for some bullpen reinforcements and a back of the rotation pitcher/swingman. The team has plenty of prospect capital to make these types of acquisitions. Swapping Gurriel for Laureano looks to be more of a sideways move in my view. If I'm not mistaken, Gurriel only has one remaining year of control so he wouldn't likely be of great interest to weaker/rebuilding clubs who are willing to move pitching out at the deadline.

 

Our position of strengh this year IMO is ability to eat $$ on big contracts. Without wiping out our farm, I think we are at a disadvantage compared to other teams with specs and need to leverage $$ for SPs. Our farm is not as strong as it was the past two years in terms of trade capital without totally mortgaging our future, we don't have the depth IMO. LGRjr was just an example.. It is easier to replace LGR then it is to aquire a solid SP.

 

We are only doing ok with SPs because we don't need a 5th starter until Saturday I believe. We need at least 2 SPs IMO, that is barring any regression or further injuries. We also need 2-4 BP pieces. I really think the only way to get there and get quality return is moving MLB pieces and eating some bad contracts as part of a deal or taking on big contracts..

[Brownie19]

Our position of strengh this year IMO is ability to eat $$ on big contracts. Without wiping out our farm, I think we are at a disadvantage compared to other teams with specs and need to leverage $$ for SPs. Our farm is not as strong as it was the past two years in terms of trade capital without totally mortgaging our future, we don't have the depth IMO. LGRjr was just an example.. It is easier to replace LGR then it is to aquire a solid SP.

 

We are only doing ok with SPs because we don't need a 5th starter until Saturday I believe. We need at least 2 SPs IMO, that is barring any regression or further injuries. We also need 2-4 BP pieces. I really think the only way to get there and get quality return is moving MLB pieces and eating some bad contracts as part of a deal or taking on big contracts..

 

This team isn't adding 2 starters and 4 bullpen arms...WTF man? Gaus, Manoah, Berrios, Stripling - why do we need 2 more starters? You want to run a 6 man rotation? or do you want us to add some crappy veteran and hide him in AAA to guard against injury?

[guylaroche5]

Am I the only one that still has faith in Kikuchi? I'd rather go after an elite reliever (or two!), I mean you only need a 4 man rotation in the playoffs anyway

[Carlos Danger]

This team isn't adding 2 starters and 4 bullpen arms...WTF man? Gaus, Manoah, Berrios, Stripling - why do we need 2 more starters? You want to run a 6 man rotation? or do you want us to add some crappy veteran and hide him in AAA to guard against injury?

 

I said 2-4 BP arms, depending on what we do with SPs. If one, of those guys regresses or gets injured we have zero depth except for Kickuchi.. and then you have 3 SPs for 45% of the season remaining. Berrios has been hit or miss, Stripling SSS.... We need more depth... When I say 2 SPs I am talking about a Luis Castillo and maybe a Chad Kuhl etc... I would have really liked Cody Poteet as a 5th SP swing man, but he just went on the 6o day IL... But if you think we have enough SP depth, you have not been following baseball long enough..

 

If we get a guy like a Poteet, (obviously not him) then we don't need 4 BP arms, but if we only get 1 SP, then I do think we need an infusion of set up types, and upgrade middle/long relief.... We won't be playing the AAAA Royals and the Bad news Bears Red Sox down the stretch..

[Terminator]

Am I the only one that still has faith in Kikuchi? I'd rather go after an elite reliever (or two!), I mean you only need a 4 man rotation in the playoffs anyway

 

I think they need a depth starter even if they have some faith in Kikuchi. But with him and his fat contract on the team, they definitely could go for more of a swingman type than bon a fide starter.

[Laika]

Our position of strengh this year IMO is ability to eat $$ on big contracts. Without wiping out our farm, I think we are at a disadvantage compared to other teams with specs and need to leverage $$ for SPs. Our farm is not as strong as it was the past two years in terms of trade capital without totally mortgaging our future, we don't have the depth IMO. LGRjr was just an example.. It is easier to replace LGR then it is to aquire a solid SP.

 

We are only doing ok with SPs because we don't need a 5th starter until Saturday I believe. We need at least 2 SPs IMO, that is barring any regression or further injuries. We also need 2-4 BP pieces. I really think the only way to get there and get quality return is moving MLB pieces and eating some bad contracts as part of a deal or taking on big contracts..

 

Two starters? They only have room for one unless someone gets hurt or unless you want to demote Stripling or one of the acquisitions to the pen.

[Laika]

The team also does NOT really need any more middle relievers. They need elite shutdown relief arms... one or two of them.

[Laika]

Toronto will be looking for relievers with projections that are closer or setup man quality.

 

They can probably take money on for a closer type if that trade is out there.

 

They do need some pitching depth too but I guess that is a flexible thing to acquire. Cheap pitching depth, primarily. Maybe they can get some MiLB SPs who don't suck or someone with options. Of course a #5 SP or swingman works too.

[BTS]

Would you guys give up a fringe prospect or two to take on Raisel Iglesias' entire contract?

[Carlos Danger]

Would you guys give up a fringe prospect or two to take on Raisel Iglesias' entire contract?

 

Yes!! That is what we need to do.. The cost is $$ and not some future HOF, but he is an elite back end arm that lengthens our BP and immediatley helps our SP situation since we don't need as many innings from them to reach quality in the pen.

[Deadpool]

Would you guys give up a fringe prospect or two to take on Raisel Iglesias' entire contract?

 

Age and duration scare me, but I think that's a move I'd make, yeah.