Solaxys Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Don't need a Moreno when we got a Danny Jano.
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Author Posted May 25, 2022 I think I would move Kirk over Moreno, personally. I just have no faith in Kirk's body to hold up with that much weight on his knees behind the plate. But I'm also not in a rush to move any of them at this point. Sure, but Kirk doesn't have the same trade value as the others.
saskjayfan Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Sure, but Kirk doesn't have the same trade value as the others. Kirk had been throwing runners out, framing it up and blocking really well this year. He's turned into an above average defensive catcher. His bat has finally ticked above league average and the power numbers are coming. He's going to finish the year with the year 20% better than league average with the bat and he's really good defensively. He's a diet away from being an all-star. All that said and Danny Jansen is our MVP. We have the best catching combo in the league. I don't see how Kirk at league min can't have value. I say we just bring Moreno up in a month and a half and let him do what he does best, which is to DH and pinch hit. We can figure this log jam out in the offseason. Get him enough ABs and bring him up around the 100 game mark for his offense. He'll have to sit when Vlad and Springer DH, but he can still pinch hit and can DH in the other games.
Laika Community Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Kirk had been throwing runners out, framing it up and blocking really well this year. He's turned into an above average defensive catcher. His bat has finally ticked above league average and the power numbers are coming. He's going to finish the year with the year 20% better than league average with the bat and he's really good defensively. He's a diet away from being an all-star. All that said and Danny Jansen is our MVP. We have the best catching combo in the league. I don't see how Kirk at league min can't have value. I say we just bring Moreno up in a month and a half and let him do what he does best, which is to DH and pinch hit. We can figure this log jam out in the offseason. Get him enough ABs and bring him up around the 100 game mark for his offense. He'll have to sit when Vlad and Springer DH, but he can still pinch hit and can DH in the other games. He doesn't have as much trade value, that's all. Jansen is a stud now and a veteran catcher. He looks the part too. Moreno is an elite prospect that teams can wishcast on. Kirk is a fat little piggy. But he's a really good player right now.
Eat My Shatkins Verified Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 I remember Jansen's ability to hit suffered while he was figuring out how to be a big league catcher, hopefully the same is happening with Kirk. Either way, those two bats should be in the line up pretty much every single day
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Jansen now leads the majors in wRC+ min 30 PA's...
Ray Verified Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 I was off on my Danny Jansen being an All-Star prediction by a year (he might still not be due to lost time, but sure is playing like one). I've been a huge Jansen fan since his breakout in the minor leagues in 2017. So it's nice to see everything clicking for him. If he continues to be a good offensive player, it might be time to start talking extension. Feel like he's a hometown discount guy.
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 I was off on my Danny Jansen being an All-Star prediction by a year (he might still not be due to lost time, but sure is playing like one). I've been a huge Jansen fan since his breakout in the minor leagues in 2017. So it's nice to see everything clicking for him. If he continues to be a good offensive player, it might be time to start talking extension. Feel like he's a hometown discount guy. He's from Chicago...
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/dynasty-dispatch/dynasty-catcher-rankings Intolerable disrespect of Jano
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 All aboard the trade Moreno train. He can be one of the pieces for Soto. Moreno is currently #4 top 100 prospect on MLB Pipeline and #5 on Baseball America. And 90% of his value comes from his bat. 1st stint at AAA he’s putting up 130 wRC+. The last time we had one of those was Vladdy and Bichette. You don’t throw those guys under the bus when someone is playing his position. I like Jano but the 1.237 OPS is unsustainable.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 Moreno is currently #4 top 100 prospect on MLB Pipeline and #5 on Baseball America. And 90% of his value comes from his bat. 1st stint at AAA he’s putting up 130 wRC+. The last time we had one of those was Vladdy and Bichette. You don’t throw those guys under the bus when someone is playing his position. I like Jano but the 1.237 OPS is unsustainable. Exactly In a hilarious example of small sample size Jansen has been a better hitter than Juan Soto this season. So.... Yeah
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted May 26, 2022 Author Posted May 26, 2022 Exactly In a hilarious example of small sample size Jansen has been a better hitter than Juan Soto this season. So.... Yeah In fairness, he's been a better hitter than....every other player in MLB since the second half of last year.
Eat My Shatkins Verified Member Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 In fairness, he's been a better hitter than....every other player in MLB since the second half of last year. Since May 27th last season Danny Jansen has a .319 / .394 / .770 / 1.164 slash line and a 211 wRC+ 128 PA's
Laika Community Moderator Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 The final ingredient = health stay well, DANNY BOY
WryNGinger Verified Member Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/dynasty-dispatch/dynasty-catcher-rankings Intolerable disrespect of Jano 3 Jays in the top 25 is pretty cool no matter how they are ranked tbh
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 3 Jays in the top 25 is pretty cool no matter how they are ranked tbh That ranking is horrible!
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 That ranking is horrible! Fantrax better
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Author Posted May 27, 2022 Another HR tonight. Keep batting him 7th bitches.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 Danny probably sits today with Kirk/Manoah as the battery
THANOS Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 Danny probably sits today with Kirk/Manoah as the battery They better not. He better be DH. 1. CF Springer 2. 2B Espinal 3. 1B Guerrero Jr 4. SS Bichette 5. DH Jansen 6. C Kirk 7. RF Hernandez 8. 3B Chapman 9. LF Biggio/LGJ That should be the line-up every day with Jansen and Kirk switching between C & DH.
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 They better not. He better be DH. 1. CF Springer 2. 2B Espinal 3. 1B Guerrero Jr 4. SS Bichette 5. DH Jansen 6. C Kirk 7. RF Hernandez 8. 3B Chapman 9. LF Biggio/LGJ That should be the line-up every day with Jansen and Kirk switching between C & DH. This can't be right. I don't see Tapia.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 They better not. He better be DH. 1. CF Springer 2. 2B Espinal 3. 1B Guerrero Jr 4. SS Bichette 5. DH Jansen 6. C Kirk 7. RF Hernandez 8. 3B Chapman 9. LF Biggio/LGJ That should be the line-up every day with Jansen and Kirk switching between C & DH. You know Chucky won’t DH Jano. Idk maybe its best to rest him a bit so he doesn’t get injured again. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Bo DH or sitting one of these games with Espinal at SS and Biggio at 2B. And they probably try to give Chapman a day off too with Espinal at 3B and Biggio at 2B Idk I guess we’ll see. Kirk should definitely be DHing more often than he is.
Solaxys Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 This can't be right. I don't see Tapia. Had Tapia yesterday, its Zimmer time today!
glory Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 They better not. He better be DH. 1. CF Springer 2. 2B Espinal 3. 1B Guerrero Jr 4. SS Bichette 5. DH Jansen 6. C Kirk 7. RF Hernandez 8. 3B Chapman 9. LF Biggio/LGJ That should be the line-up every day with Jansen and Kirk switching between C & DH. Buntoyo does not like playing the two catchers together, and now that the 3rd catcher is no longer on the roster, it's even less likely. Tapia is going to be in the lineup. Jansen is going to sit.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 Buntoyo does not like playing the two catchers together, and now that the 3rd catcher is no longer on the roster, it's even less likely. Tapia is going to be in the lineup. Jansen is going to sit. I just don’t understand the hesitation with playing both catchers in the lineup. How often does a player get injured mid-game and have to come out? If whoever is catching happens to get injured and we lose the DH… just pinch hit the rest of the game. I don’t see the problem.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 I just don’t understand the hesitation with playing both catchers in the lineup. How often does a player get injured mid-game and have to come out? If whoever is catching happens to get injured and we lose the DH… just pinch hit the rest of the game. I don’t see the problem. Agreed. Jansen and Kirk should be in the lineup together as much as possible. But I think it's a combination of Charlie being Charlie, plus preferring to use DH to rest regulars (Vlad/Springer specifically). This kind of falls on Atkins more than Buntoyo since the bench is straight ass and if the org wants to use the DH spot in a rotating fashion, then don't field a roster where playing your two catchers is your best lineup. Hopefully if/when Benintendi or Bell are on this team in July, this will become less of an issue.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 Agreed. Jansen and Kirk should be in the lineup together as much as possible. But I think it's a combination of Charlie being Charlie, plus preferring to use DH to rest regulars (Vlad/Springer specifically). This kind of falls on Atkins more than Buntoyo since the bench is straight ass and if the org wants to use the DH spot in a rotating fashion, then don't field a roster where playing your two catchers is your best lineup. Hopefully if/when Benintendi or Bell are on this team in July, this will become less of an issue. I don’t see how Josh Bell improves the situation. He’s a full-time DH. Charlie can barely fit a C/DH into the lineup
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 Honestly I appreciate the fact that he identified who he is as a hitter and is just rolling with it. If they are going to throw you a lot of fastballs get ready to ambush them. The added strength has definitely helped him as well. The big issue the past couple of seasons is he attempted to lean out and seemed really weak at the plate. He’s definitely both swinging harder and hitting the ball harder which is a direct result of added strength.
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