Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[Krylian]

Kiermaier has out hit Bellinger by quite a bit the past two years....he's also the superior defender and baserunner compared to the other two as well.

 

f*** Keer Meyer.

[Terminator]

I'm not doing this again tonight. If you guys want to slobber all over a guy who slashed .193/.256/.355 the last two years while thumbing your nose at a 2021 All-Star or a GG CFer who has slashed a respectable .247/.311/.381 over that same time period then go ahead and have your circlejerk.

[Ehjays]

Gallo's numbers will improve due to the shift being eliminated.

[Spanky99]

I'm not doing this again tonight. If you guys want to slobber all over a guy who slashed .193/.256/.355 the last two years while thumbing your nose at a 2021 All-Star or a GG CFer who has slashed a respectable .247/.311/.381 over that same time period then go ahead and have your circlejerk.

 

lol... how can you type respectable without breaking out in laughter?

[Jimcanuck]

Steamer Projections:

 

KK - 85 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

Gallo - 103 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

Belly - 98 wRC+, 1.7 WAR

 

^ more accurate than Terminator's gut

[Spanky99]

Steamer Projections:

 

KK - 85 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

Gallo - 103 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

Belly - 98 wRC+, 1.7 WAR

 

^ more accurate than Terminator's gut

 

Term isn't smarter than Steamer is he???

[Laika]

Steamer Projections:

 

KK - 85 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

Gallo - 103 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

Belly - 98 wRC+, 1.7 WAR

 

^ more accurate than Terminator's gut

 

There is no team that would just pick the "best projected player" when the projections are that close. Those projections are functionally equivalent. Note that WAR figure is based on more projected playing time for Bellinger so on a rate basis they are even closer.

[Jimcanuck]

There is no team that would just pick the "best projected player" when the projections are that close. Those projections are functionally equivalent. Note that WAR figure is based on more projected playing time for Bellinger so on a rate basis they are even closer.

 

Yes I am aware

 

The difference between the 3 is potential. KK is going to provide mediocrity, nothing more. Belly and Gallo to a lesser extent the potential for a significant return. So teams are generally going to prefer Belly, Gallo, KK in that order.

[Laika]

Yes I am aware

 

Probably the biggest difference between the 3 is potential. KK is going to provide mediocrity, nothing more. Belly and Gallo to a lesser extent the potential for a significant return. So teams are generally going to prefer Belly, Gallo, KK in that order.

 

Sounds like Toronto should wait and just sign KK then.

 

The "potential" of both Bellinger and Gallo = red herring.

[Jimcanuck]

Sounds like Toronto should wait and just sign KK then.

 

The "potential" of both Bellinger and Gallo = red herring.

 

Ideally trade with d'backs for one of the LHH CFs, sign pitching. Wacha is fine.

[Laika]

Although Gallo in a sort of platoon with Gurriel would be fun as f***

[Laika]

Gotta say, I really like almost everything about Alek Thomas.

 

Except the groundballs lol

[Krylian]

I'm not doing this again tonight. If you guys want to slobber all over a guy who slashed .193/.256/.355 the last two years while thumbing your nose at a 2021 All-Star or a GG CFer who has slashed a respectable .247/.311/.381 over that same time period then go ahead and have your circlejerk.

 

The correct answer is neither is ideal and would be better as a 4th OF. And if the role will be as a 4th, I'd rather go with the guy with the considerably higher calling.

[Terminator]

Yes I am aware

 

The difference between the 3 is potential. KK is going to provide mediocrity, nothing more. Belly and Gallo to a lesser extent the potential for a significant return. So teams are generally going to prefer Belly, Gallo, KK in that order.

 

Lol Kiermaier has produced over 5 times the amount of WAR that Bellinger has the past two years and he's done it in less games played. Give me that "mediocrity" every day of the week over whatever the hell Bellinger is providing these days.

 

And again, you can't just input Bellinger's career numbers into Steamer and expect it to give you a good projection. Steamer doesn't know how to compute the fact that his shoulder is now hamburger meat.

[Jimcanuck]

Lol Kiermaier has produced over 5 times the amount of WAR that Bellinger has the past two years and he's done it in less games played. Give me that "mediocrity" every day of the week over whatever the hell Bellinger is providing these days.

 

And again, you can't just input Bellinger's career numbers into Steamer and expect it to give you a good projection. Steamer doesn't know how to compute the fact that his shoulder is now hamburger meat.

 

Do you have hamburger meat proof or talking out your ass yet again?

[Terminator]

Do you have hamburger meat proof or talking out your ass yet again?

 

He started the 2021 season late after having shoulder surgery and he's hit like John MacDonald ever since. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that he's cooked Jim. I don't care what a computer program like Steamer tells you.

[Jimcanuck]

He started the 2021 season late after having shoulder surgery and he's hit like John MacDonald ever since. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that he's cooked Jim. I don't care what a computer program like Steamer tells you.

 

So you are talking out your ass.

[Stangstag]

Do you have hamburger meat proof or talking out your ass yet again?

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/cody-bellinger-641355?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

 

Does this look like a player that will hit for league average production next year???

 

I would say no. That profile is fugly. Defense will play in CF though

[BTS]

I almost got angry at Terminator's trolling just now, but that's because I thought he was using rWAR when he said Kiermaier has been 7 times as good as Bellinger the last two years. But really Belly has just been that bad.

[saskjayfan]

Lol Kiermaier has produced over 5 times the amount of WAR that Bellinger has the past two years and he's done it in less games played. Give me that "mediocrity" every day of the week over whatever the hell Bellinger is providing these days.

 

And again, you can't just input Bellinger's career numbers into Steamer and expect it to give you a good projection. Steamer doesn't know how to compute the fact that his shoulder is now hamburger meat.

 

Blaming his entire slide on his shoulder is ridiculous. All the power in your swing comes from your back shoulder. Bellinger had his non throwing shoulder, which is his lead shoulder in the swing closest to the pitcher, operated on. His shoulder isn't what ails him. His lower half is disconnected somewhat. They tinkered with things backing off the plate, which didn't help. His o-swing went up a lot. He's pressing. He's mentally broken, and he needs to work on his timing and make some mechanical adjustments to get back to the player he was.

 

I don't believe the shoulder is the issue people are making it out to be.

[Stangstag]

I almost got angry at Terminator's trolling just now, but that's because I thought he was using rWAR when he said Kiermaier has been 7 times as good as Bellinger the last two years. But really Belly has just been that bad.

 

The negative WAR season really hurts him here lol

[Jimcanuck]

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/cody-bellinger-641355?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

 

Does this look like a player that will hit for league average production next year???

 

I would say no. That profile is fugly. Defense will play in CF though

 

85 wRC+ with a .238 BABIP in 2nd half 2022 suggests league average is within range.

 

His numbers have been improving as time passes from the injuries. Whether he gets back to league average, find more power in his swing, and gets above remains to be seen.

 

The projection systems take into account the numbers over the past several years far better than any of us can.

 

Probably most telling is the number of teams interested in his services - these teams are far more sophisticated than we are.

[Omar]

Yes I am aware

 

The difference between the 3 is potential. KK is going to provide mediocrity, nothing more. Belly and Gallo to a lesser extent the potential for a significant return. So teams are generally going to prefer Belly, Gallo, KK in that order.

 

KK differentiator is his defence, is it not? Still don’t want him on the Jays but he isn’t the same as the other two.

[Terminator]

Blaming his entire slide on his shoulder is ridiculous. All the power in your swing comes from your back shoulder. Bellinger had his non throwing shoulder, which is his lead shoulder in the swing closest to the pitcher, operated on. His shoulder isn't what ails him. His lower half is disconnected somewhat. They tinkered with things backing off the plate, which didn't help. His o-swing went up a lot. He's pressing. He's mentally broken, and he needs to work on his timing and make some mechanical adjustments to get back to the player he was.

 

I don't believe the shoulder is the issue people are making it out to be.

 

Ok so you’re saying that his shoulder is fine he just sucks because he’s a mental midget? And that’s supposed to convince me that this guy should be playing Centerfield for us? Lol pass

[Terminator]

Bellinger is down there tanning his cheeks in perfect SoCal weather while his team destroys the likes of the Rockies and D-Bags on a nightly basis but he’s such a headcase that he can’t swing a bat better than John MacDonald?

 

How do you think his mental health will be when we are in the final stretch of a beanball war and pennant race against the Gerrit Cole and the New York Yankees? We’d have to have him committed by the time the season ended

[Jimcanuck]

Bellinger is down there tanning his cheeks in perfect SoCal weather while his team destroys the likes of the Rockies and D-Bags on a nightly basis but he’s such a headcase that he can’t swing a bat better than John MacDonald?

 

How do you think his mental health will be when we are in the final stretch of a beanball war and pennant race against the Gerrit Cole and the New York Yankees? We’d have to have him committed by the time the season ended

 

2/10 grade troll

[L54]

2/10 grade troll

 

Honestly it’s getting worse

 

It’s like a bad car accident. You want to avoid it but you can’t help but look

[L54]

Sperm is assuming everyone will be paid the same. Length of contract and AAV effects player values

[Spanky99]

Lol Kiermaier has produced over 5 times the amount of WAR that Bellinger has the past two years and he's done it in less games played. Give me that "mediocrity" every day of the week over whatever the hell Bellinger is providing these days.

 

And again, you can't just input Bellinger's career numbers into Steamer and expect it to give you a good projection. Steamer doesn't know how to compute the fact that his shoulder is now hamburger meat.

 

Term is smarter than Steamer, when it matters.

[L54]

Swanson interview on this link, He's PUMPED!! He talks about Houstons crowd did not compare to Torontos in the playoffs, our potent young lineup, improvements he did to his pitches including watching video of Gausman, and much more its a good listen on the link. Starts about a minute and a half in.

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/new-blue-jay-swanson-excited-to-pitch-at-outrageously-loud-rogers-centre/

 

New Blue Jay Swanson excited to pitch at 'outrageously loud' Rogers Centre

 

 

 

Erik Swanson does not know much about Toronto, but he knows this: it’s loud. Very, very loud.

 

The Blue Jays’ recently acquired relief pitcher appeared on Sportsnet 590 The Fan with Ben Ennis and Blake Murphy on Monday and said he could not get over the noise generated at Rogers Centre during the Seattle Mariners’ wild-card series in Toronto last month.

 

“The first thing I noticed when we started playing there is how outrageously loud that place is,” said Swanson, who was part of a deal that saw outfielder Teoscar Hernandez head to Seattle last week. “And I noticed that from when I was there in ’19 as well. Having a playoff game there was one of the coolest environments I’ve played in.

 

We went to Houston right after and I didn’t think Houston compared to Toronto as far as environment goes.”

 

Swanson, 29, who is from Fargo, N.D., was out hunting when the trade happened. Spotty cellphone coverage made informing the right-hander about the deal a challenge. Eventually, Mariners GM Justin Hollander got through and “got the point across.”

 

Swanson admitted that the deal caught him off guard and he “wasn’t quite sure what to think about it at first.” After a chat with his wife, he got excited about the change.

 

“I’ve played in Toronto twice now. My first time back in ’19 and then obviously for the wild card this year,” said Swanson. “I love the area. I haven’t had a ton of time to explore it, but for the little time I’ve spent there, I’ve said it both times I’ve been there, I really do like the Toronto area. It almost kind of feels like home a little bit."

 

Two players that could help his transition are starter Kevin Gausman and closer Jordan Romano. Gausman because Swanson admired how he developed his splitter so much that he developed one of his own, and Ramono because of the chance to pitch ahead of him.

 

“Obviously, I’ve seen Romano from afar and the guy is electric,” Swanson said. “To be next to him and part of that bullpen is super exciting.”

 

Maybe in a playoff game, with a packed Rogers Centre all cheering for him instead.

 

“Definitely looking forward to that and being on the other side of it.”

 

Didn’t know Swanson was a Fargo guy. Good interview thanks for sharing!!