Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[Spanky99]

Would anyone object to adding Belly for 1 year $10M and Conforto 1 year $15M? Belly is primary CF, but Springer plays some games in CF as the "backup" when Belly rests?

 

I'm down.

[L54]

Bellinger is just going to end up a Dodger for 8M because baseball

[Jimcanuck]

Would anyone object to adding Belly for 1 year $10M and Conforto 1 year $15M? Belly is primary CF, but Springer plays some games in CF as the "backup" when Belly rests?

 

IMO this is ideal, then move one of the C for SP, and resign Stripling to be swingman.

[Ray]

Bellinger is just going to end up a Dodger for 8M because baseball

 

If I'm Boras, I'm 100% doing due diligence with every other team in the league right now. He's a free agent, so might as well. There's enough intrigue there that teams might willing to pony up something long term and ride it out to see if he finds it.

 

27 year old former MVP who got non-tendered due to injury and fall in performance. He's one of the most fascinating free agents in recent history.

[Jimcanuck]

Belly is going to get an incentive laden Contract that pays him anywhere from $10M to $25M

 

edit - nvm, MLBPA rules don't allow performance bonuses apparently

[Ray]

Speaking of, has a former MVP ever been non-tendered before? Usually if they play long enough, they start signing minor league deals and getting released, but for a former MVP to get non-tendered in their arbitration years seems unprecedented.

[Jimcanuck]

So performance bonuses can't be statistics based, but can be based on getting a GG, or finishing top 10 in MVP or whatever.

 

Would you give Belly a $10M bonus for finishing MVP top 10?

[Jonn]

How much money are you good with?

 

I would probably be comfortable with something in the $8-12M range if it cost a little more I would be fine with it. I don’t see us getting a team option with Boras as his agent.

 

I definitely expect the Yankees to pursue him especially if they lose Judge. He might be the easiest pivot for them for one year.

[Jimcanuck]

Speaking of, has a former MVP ever been non-tendered before? Usually if they play long enough, they start signing minor league deals and getting released, but for a former MVP to get non-tendered in their arbitration years seems unprecedented.

 

Quick run through the MVP list says no.

[bendera3]

I hope Shatkins are looking into Cody and Alex Reyes.

[Jonn]

Everything about Bellinger’s situation is unprecedented. To be such a dominant player and win MVP so young. Only to struggle immensely and get DFA’d before he entered his “Prime” which is for most players is Age 27-32. He’s still only 26 it’s really wild. His talent is still very tantalizing because how good of a Fielder and Base Runner he is. He will stick around the league for awhile for those aspects alone. But obviously he’s going to have to show some turn around with the bat this to keep making money.

[glory]

As I look at the Jays current situation more, I'm actually starting to think that the Nimmo talk is legit. Only OF locked up beyond 2023 is Springer. The highest ranked OF in the farm system right now is Gabriel Martinez and he was left unprotected, so you know he's not that close. Next one after that is Dasan Brown who is far off. The best OF options in free agency aside from Nimmo are all one year options (Conforto, Belly, Brantley, KK, etc). Quick look at next year's FA market, and the CF's out there will be Bader (RH), Kike (RH), and Bellinger. I don't think Atkins leaves this off season without another OF who is controllable beyond 2023. I think it's either going to be an ugly overpay for Nimmo or a catcher traded for a OF.

[Jonn]

I don't think Atkins leaves this off season without another OF who is controllable beyond 2023. I think it's either going to be an ugly overpay for Nimmo or a catcher traded for a OF.

 

Hopefully the latter. Really not that comfortable overpaying Nimmo. I would also rather they focus on someone who can be projected to play CF for many seasons. Nimmo is someone who has missed a ton of games in his career and is probably better suited in a corner already. If Nimmo can stay healthy hes not a bad fit. High on base lefty bat is something we need but not at a premium price. His career has been so bizarre so far because when he’s played hes been very good. But hes only played 2 full season in his career. 2018 and 2022.

[keggy]

Anyone interested in Bellinger should have a long look at video and talk to as many scouts as possible. With a bizarre swing like that I don't think projections will be accurate.

[Jonn]

Vinny Capra or whatever his name is was just non tendered as well so hes also off the 40-man. He wasn’t even arbitration eligible they just didn’t even renew him.

[RobinThicc]

Anyone interested in Bellinger should have a long look at video and talk to as many scouts as possible. With a bizarre swing like that I don't think projections will be accurate.

 

Gonna hit all the scouts I have saved in my phone up and ask.

[Ehjays]

Vinny Capra or whatever his name is was just non tendered as well so hes also off the 40-man. He wasn’t even arbitration eligible they just didn’t even renew him.

 

[Dagagad]

Interesting timing on Capra? Man, i’d love to see a move for Bellinger.

[Deadpool]

So performance bonuses can't be statistics based, but can be based on getting a GG, or finishing top 10 in MVP or whatever.

 

Would you give Belly a $10M bonus for finishing MVP top 10?

 

Top 10? Probably not, but top 3? I'd likely do that.

[Orgfiller]

Top 10? Probably not, but top 3? I'd likely do that.

 

A top 10 MVP finish is minimum a 4+ WAR season, if you're already signing Bellinger to a discounted rate (at least $6M below his projected arb contract) then the team would take an elite season under $25M for a one year deal any time that's offered.

[L54]

So performance bonuses can't be statistics based, but can be based on getting a GG, or finishing top 10 in MVP or whatever.

 

Would you give Belly a $10M bonus for finishing MVP top 10?

 

Yes for sure

[connorp]

I don’t think you can give a bonus anywhere near equal to a salary. That’s heading down the rabbit hole of not guaranteed contracts

[Jimcanuck]

Being Boras, and with Belly being an unprecedented FA, I'm seeing something like this:

 

$15m base, with $10M in incentives that also kick in a player option of an additional 2 years at $25M per.

 

In other words, if Belly fixes his mechanical and between the ears issues and lays off the dope (painkiller addiction?), its a 3/75 contract.

 

Gonna be the most interesting contract in the history of baseball, methinks.

[Laika]

Being Boras, and with Belly being an unprecedented FA, I'm seeing something like this:

 

$15m base, with $10M in incentives that also kick in a player option of an additional 2 years at $25M per.

 

In other words, if Belly fixes his mechanical and between the ears issues and lays off the dope (painkiller addiction?), its a 3/75 contract.

 

Gonna be the most interesting contract in the history of baseball, methinks.

 

Nah they will want a one year pillow if he has a big year they will want a career contract next

[MikeM3]

Kiermaier/Engel in CF. 4 wins.

[Jimcanuck]

Nah they will want a one year pillow if he has a big year they will want a career contract next

 

His choice, player option

[Laika]

His choice, player option

 

no team is risking 3/75M on him man

[Vdubfan]

Being Boras, and with Belly being an unprecedented FA, I'm seeing something like this:

 

$15m base, with $10M in incentives that also kick in a player option of an additional 2 years at $25M per.

 

In other words, if Belly fixes his mechanical and between the ears issues and lays off the dope (painkiller addiction?), its a 3/75 contract.

 

Gonna be the most interesting contract in the history of baseball, methinks.

 

Why in the world would a team do this when they could’ve traded a C level prospect for him at 1/~$18M yesterday? Ignoring the option stuff here, if he ends up making more than $18M in 2023, it’ll be because he got a base much lower than $15M with some big incentives that he reaches, imo.

[Jimcanuck]

Why in the world would a team do this when they could’ve traded a C level prospect for him at 1/~$18M yesterday? Ignoring the option stuff here, if he ends up making more than $18M in 2023, it’ll be because he got a base much lower than $15M with some big incentives that he reaches, imo.

 

Yes, the $15M base is probably high, even for an open market, but there will be significant incentives attached.

[Omar]

Shits getting real.